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Imac Pro
Size and Weight
25.6 inches
(65.0 cm)20.3 inches
(51.6 cm)
  • Height: 20.3 inches (51.6 cm)
  • Width: 25.6 inches (65.0 cm)
  • Stand depth: 8 inches (20.3 cm)
  • Weight: 21.5 pounds (9.7 kg)2
Imac
Size and Weight
25.6 inches
(65.0 cm)20.3 inches
(51.6 cm)
Height: 20.3 inches (51.6 cm)

Width: 25.6 inches (65.0 cm)

Stand depth: 8 inches (20.3 cm)

Weight: 20.8 pounds (9.42 kg)2

See, it isn't that hard......

Literally nothing in your poor reply says anything about the different logic board layout and larger cooling system of the pro model. All you have done is take display and stand measurements and think that means something.

Stop being absurd. Some of us are using Macs and other machines since the 80s. I’m the guy on the pro forum who is one of the main modders and benchmarkers of the Mac Pro. Had every pro machine Apple ever released. Seen all these stupid arguments come and go since the time of the 68040.

I’m going to break this down nice and simple but you will keep arguing anyway because your life priorities are mixed up.

iMac isn’t a render farm. If you want to bench it do something practical with it.

Blame Intel for not delivering on their promises. We don’t want to see thicker computers just because they are late. We saw the same thing happen when The G5 was running too hot. Apple responded by trying everything they could to keep the CPU cool and it was horrible. We don’t want to see that happen again.

You want to render? CG? Professional projects? Buy professional equipment. A workstation and a GPU render box.

You want office and student computers. Buy an iMac.

This debate is about physics vs design. This debate will never end of course. It’s ad absurdum. When Intel does deliver 10nm or 7nm then the core count will increase and the clock speed will increase and AGAIN we have problems stuffing the CPU into a chassis.

So arguments are stupid. Life doesn’t need to be more complicated than that unless you’re sad about life and need to fight strangers on the internet.
 
iMac is the best AIO out of any company. Caveat Apple doesn't have a proper standalone desktop so iMac has to serve that market as well which is where PC really pulls away(assuming you dont need MacOS)

Ironically, right below your post was an ad for the Alienware Area-51 Gaming Desktop which looks as much like a Sharper Image Air Purifier in the picture as it does a tower PC. I can tell you which one I would be less embarrassed to have in my home and which will have less dust after 2 years, but I digress.
 
Literally nothing in your poor reply says anything about the different logic board layout and larger cooling system of the pro model. All you have done is take display and stand measurements and think that means something.

Stop being absurd. Some of us are using Macs and other machines since the 80s. I’m the guy on the pro forum who is one of the main modders and benchmarkers of the Mac Pro. Had every pro machine Apple ever released. Seen all these stupid arguments come and go since the time of the 68040.

I’m going to break this down nice and simple but you will keep arguing anyway because your life priorities are mixed up.

iMac isn’t a render farm. If you want to bench it do something practical with it.

Blame Intel for not delivering on their promises. We don’t want to see thicker computers just because they are late. We saw the same thing happen when The G5 was running too hot. Apple responded by trying everything they could to keep the CPU cool and it was horrible. We don’t want to see that happen again.

You want to render? CG? Professional projects? Buy professional equipment. A workstation and a GPU render box.

You want office and student computers. Buy an iMac.

This debate is about physics vs design. This debate will never end of course. It’s ad absurdum. When Intel does deliver 10nm or 7nm then the core count will increase and the clock speed will increase and AGAIN we have problems stuffing the CPU into a chassis.

So arguments are stupid. Life doesn’t need to be more complicated than that unless you’re sad about life and need to fight strangers on the internet.

No but it does throw water on your chassis statement. No one denies the iMac Pro has a more robust cooling layout but the chassis are indeed the same....
 
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You're just insulting yourself by not seeing that the iMac Pro chassis isn't the same, the CPUs are a larger package that disappate heat differently, have a larger cooling system and is more expensive. If you want all that then upgrade.

EVERY few years when a new consumer level computer comes out this same argument happens it always comes from some internet master wannabe who has nothing but benchmarks and his own hot air to release online. It never comes from an actual pro who would use pro equipment, render boxes or render farms. Kinda boring. Like a joke that keeps getting repeated for attention.

"Expensive" is a relative term for Apple who is worth more than they know what to do with.

Not to mention, cost has nothing to do with this when the cooling implementation has already been developed. Now, in fairness, the HDD in the iMac is where the cooler is in the iMac Pro, but, this can be moved, ditched all together, or should have been a design constraint when the Pro was developed. Apple NEEDS to stop making so many different variants of the same thing. The chassis of the vanilla and pro mac can and need to be the same! Reminder, this is how Apple nearly went bankrupt in the 90s, and how Steve came back to fix it...he eliminated all the options. How many sizes and flavors of iPad are there, FSS!? This is terrible for supply chain (yeah, you, Tim!), terrible for the customer to keep track of, and terrible for the environment.

Like ram prices, SSD prices are plummeting...not to mention Apple had their own problems with APFS on the Fusion drive, and other platter drives. How Apple was so hastily in ridding the floppy and optical drive, and, yet, holds onto the HDD is beyond me. At the end of the day, however, Apple has no problem restricting the power of the 9900k. Running as designed, as per Intel, it would outpace the ten-core W-2150B iMac Pro multithread, and, it already destroys it in single threaded performance. Yes, the pro will get you quad channel, ECC memory, and more PCI-e lanes, but, most prosumers do not need that, or know what to do with it. Apple flirts with physics, but no longer utilizes it to their advantage to make them standout better. They use physics to make themselves look like imbeciles and they ship impossibly thin devices just to say they can...

Steve fought for passively cooled macs. He fought for the best engineers around, and would not accept any "B" players. There is a reason Apple is pushing to develop their own processors, and while this will be awesome, it will also serve to segment them more from the industry as their instruction sets will (most likely) be proprietary.
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I’m going to break this down nice and simple but you will keep arguing anyway because your life priorities are mixed up.

Apple needs to get their priorities straight! They need to stop focusing on their shareholders (though I am one) and focus more on their customers.
 
Geekbench isn't that useful if your PC can't handle the heat well which we'll face it in the new models probably. I prefer to see Cinebench results after consecutive runs.

Check this article for the expected i9 performance on new iMac;

https://www.anandtech.com/show/13591/the-intel-core-i9-9900k-at-95w-fixing-the-power-for-sff

I can surely say, it won't go higher than this.

The 2015 5k 4ghz i7 iMac I have throttles the living daylights out of itself once the heat starts to increase.

The older i7 iMac I owned (2009 era) was much better at dealing with this because (1) it had more room for the heated air to disperse due to the thicker case and (2) it had more cooling fans (3) it just seemed to deal with the heat better.

If I run a processor intensive application the 4ghz base clock will drop down to 1 ghz or even lower if it's really hot.
 
I have decided, for 3D rendering, video editing and everything related to graphics and video... a PC. Way faster, upgradable and way cheaper. For audio, music apps and hanging on the internet... a Mac. I have a 2014 15" MBP and works just fine with an external monitor, Logic Pro, Ableton, everything! But I am not wasting money on an iMac, not worth it.

Same thing I did a couple of years ago. Decided that it was time to replace my aging iMac, and the most cost effective option for me was an eight core Ryzen PC. Costs half as much as an equally outfitted iMac. Will be much cheaper to repair if something breaks when it's out of warranty, and won't require me to lug it to the nearest (an hour away) Apple store. Plus every major hardware peripheral is upgradable.
 
Far more important than the CPU performance - the new Vega48 options are hitting 150,000 in Geekbench Compute! That's better than the performance of a Vega 64 in an eGPU!!! And it's close to the highest performance (~200K) of any graphics card I've seen!
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/search?dir=desc&q=Vega+48&sort=score

The iMac really can be a powerhouse, yes. It's just a question of affordability. Apple charge an extremely pretty penny for dedicated GPU options, and the external ones come with a premium of their own.

If these Vega chips don't become old news by the time the next refresh comes along, they ought to be the standard GPUs. Rather unimpressive for the iMac line's "stock" graphics power to remain effectively static for 2 years or more.
 
Far more important than the CPU performance - the new Vega48 options are hitting 150,000 in Geekbench Compute! That's better than the performance of a Vega 64 in an eGPU!!! And it's close to the highest performance (~200K) of any graphics card I've seen!
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/compute/search?dir=desc&q=Vega+48&sort=score


Lol, my 4770k i7 hackintosh with a nVidia 1080ti got these scores on compute:

OpenCL = 215873
Metal = 227638
CUDA = 245960

Seems like you need to get out more. Yes us hackintosh guys with nVidia cards can run CUDA; which as you can see is faster than OpenCL and Metal, but then again I would expect that from nVidia.

Looks like my pathetic 4th gen i7 Hackintosh's nVidia 1080i is even beating iMac Pros (Vega64) on compute when I went to search, had to go to page 30 something just to find a Mac. Windows systems score even higher.

For what it is worth, my system is all air cooled.
 
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While I am not assigning any blame, this is what Apple signed up for as soon as they made the decision to move to Intel x86. This is also the reason why they don’t, and won’t, make a traditional PC tower style Macintosh. Doing so would invite even more comparisons and derision from the PCMR. I venture onto many of the PC gamer oriented sites and it just reads like monkeys flinging their crap at each other. Intel vs. AMD, AMD vs. NVIDIA, iOS vs. Android, Gigabyte vs. Asus and on and on. The raging flame wars over meaningless minutiae is emotionally and mentally exhausting if you spend to much time there.

In my experience, Apple decided with the move to Intel and with the availability of the higher end CPUs (Xeons), that this was the perfect opportunity to move past the typical mini-tower form factor because they knew that they would never be able to compete with Acer, Dell, Gateway, HP and home builders price-wise, which had been a high volume, low margin business for the past 15 years (1991-2006 - the year when Apple moved to Intel). In fact, I think they had already started making the move past the tower form factor with the Power Mac G5. The G5, at the time, was wicked fast and powerful. Apple took that opportunity to introduce the large all aluminum form factor and to raise the entry price of that form factor for users. I know that my bosses were surprised when it came time to move from the Power Mac G4s that they had been using for the past four (4) years. In the end, we leased June 2004 Power Mac G5 Dual 2.0GHz instead of purchasing them. We went with Mac Pro 3,1 in the next lease and then moved to iMac 2012 and then onto iMac 2014/MacBook Pro 2015 before the most recent lease which was all MacBook Pro 2018, except for one 2017 iMac.

My point is that the PC tower model (Mini-ITX, Micro-ATX and Standard ATX) has been around forever and is really the only one that allows someone to pick and choose the exact parts they want to build it themselves. Prices are all over the map because you can build a decent Windows PC for $500 or go crazy and spend all the way up to $4000 for a non-Core-X/Xeon gaming PC that you build yourself with only the parts you want.

Most PC OEMs offer a range of tower PCs from mild to wild as well with different form factors and branding. Dell has no less than 4 different consumer/SOHO computer brands (Alienware, Inspiron, Vostro and XPS) with multiple iterations inside each brand. By contrast, Apple has just two desktop computers (Mac mini and iMac), three if you count the 2013 Mac Pro. Apple releasing a tower PC-based Macintosh is a recipe for disaster...for them. There is no differentiation there and no matter how cool it looks, it’s still just a box. A box that will be poked and prodded and scrutinized and critiqued by people who would rather save $20 bucks by installing a SATA m.2 stick instead of an NVMe stick, because SATA is “good enough” and will criticize Apple left and right for taking away their right to use a cheaper drive if they want. Apple values consistent performance in it’s products and is often lauded for selling “PCs” that offer consistent, predictable performance versus the race to the bottom approach of PC OEMs who start with good intentions, but end up putting out a crap product because they switched memory or storage vendors halfway through production and save a few bucks to increase gross margin a half percent. The customers suffer and so does the business.

Apple tried that one time (Performa) and it nearly killed them. They are not going to make that same mistake again and there is no amount of whining, anger, threats of leaving the platform, Hackintoshing, pleading or shaking your fist that will change their position. I firmly believe that Steve Jobs was the primary driver for getting rid of the tower form factor. He continued them when he took over Apple because it was Apple’s bread and butter and he needed cashflow while he kickstarted the iMac project, but he knew that Apple had to appear to be more than just another PC maker to get and hold people’s interest at that point, because almost everyone had given up on Apple by 1996. The Mac Pro only made it because they already had a case in production that could be adapted for use with larger motherboards and power requirements of the Xeon CPUs, as well as Steve knowing that Pros still needed this kind of form factor for a number of reasons. Ever wonder why Apple never put a Core i5 or Core i7-based system in that chassis? No differentiation from the cheap plastic boxes already on the market, meaning zero upside for Apple.

So here we are in 2019, with the all-in-one iMac sporting a beast of a CPU that has incredible performance, even if it held back by the form factor to an extent, in a package that no one can really top or cares to put much effort into since the users they are catering to believe the tower is the only true expression of form and function. It’s the same as it ever was and will always be...it’s woven tightly into Apple’s DNA and is their philosophy, their mantra, like it or not. Take it or leave it.
Bravo on a well-written and well-argued post. (I think this may be the first time I've managed to read a whole post this long on MacRumors, not because my attention span is short, but because most long posts simply ramble. Not this one; so again, well done.)

Mind you, I’m not persuaded that Apple couldn’t successfully differentiate a tower, or that they never will, but you certainly make a very plausible argument for why over the last several years they have not chosen to do so.

My first Mac OS X computer was that same Dual 2.0 GHz Power Mac G5 (June 2004). Not only was it as elegant on the inside as out, opening it up to to add expansion cards, RAM, or drives was simplicity itself, and, of course, it ran Mac OS X, which no Intel PC could do. I would love another Mac tower like that, into which I could drop a proper desktop gaming GPU.

(The only thing I didn’t like about that Power Mac G5 was how noisy its fans became once you had two 7200 rpm hard drives and a Radeon X800 XT in it.)

It will be interesting to see what form Apple’s next Mac Pro takes. In the meantime, I’ve just ordered an Early 2019 27-inch iMac with Core i9 and Radeon Pro Vega 48, and based on the CPU and GPU benchmarks I’m starting to see on the Web for this configuration (yes, even under heavy and sustained load), I expect I’ll be quite pleased with it.

(And although I can’t drop in a proper desktop gaming GPU, with Thunderbolt 3 I now have the option of adding one via an eGPU.)
 
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(And although I can’t drop in a proper desktop gaming GPU, with Thunderbolt 3 I now have the option of adding one via an eGPU.)
I have a similar story, because I want to work on my computer and have fun with games. I'm still looking at the new generation of 2019, but I’m confused by the small set of Thunderbolt 3 interfaces. There are only two of them and, turning to the specialists in eGPU.io, only one of them works fully (2017 model). Suppose we take it with an external graphic card. We have only one TB3, where we wanted to connect both the monitor * and external storage and other peripherals. For me, this is a problem and an already outdated computer because of its I/O.

* - another problem is the loss of speed of an external graphics card. In any case, there is a loss of about 10-15% of power when connected via an external monitor. CPU/motherboard -> eGPU -> Monitor. This is the best option if we want gain maximum perfomance. And if we want to use our beautiful built-in display, our chain is extended: CPU -> eGPU -> motherboard -> Monitor. This leads to even greater power losses of the external graphic card, no less than an additional 10-15%.

And by the way, if I understood correctly, one of the ports of TB3 just does not pull out the power of the eGPU for the reason that it is tied with the integrated video card. For comparison, iMac Pro not only has more ports TB3, but they are all independent.

And so we have several questions at once. As an example, I will take a graphic card Vega 64 (because Radeon VII has no support and when it appears it is unknown). If we use an external monitor to get maximum effect from the eGPU, we already have all TB3 ports at once and we dont use internal display. At the same time, our eGPU gives “clean power” at about the level of Vega 56. This is still not bad. But if we want to use the built-in monitor, we lose a lot of external power, and in this case, the difference in gain from Vega 64 in comparison with Vega 48 becomes minimal, which makes this expensive solution meaningless.

So this question remains open.
 
Couldn't care less.

No larger screens with slimmer bezels -- CHECK
No updated thermal architecture -- CHECK
No PCIe-flash across the board -- CHECK
No 16GB RAM as standard -- CHECK
No 120Hz ProMotion -- CHECK
No Face ID - CHECK
No True Tone Display -- CHECK
No 1080p Webcam -- CHECK
No Tx Security Chip -- CHECK
No Space Grey option -- CHECK
No backlit keyboard -- CHECK
Tim Cook still there -- CHECK

It's like you read my mind...lol. It's a shame to say it, but after 15+ years with Apple, I got a powerful Windows PC with an ultrawide monitor. It was a revelation. Never iMac again for me unfortunately. My current MacBook Pro (2018 model), will also be my last mac laptop. And yes, the keyboard is starting to fail, Safari is sluggish on certain websites I often use, that no other web browser has issues with...etc..etc..

Too bad really, and this is from a former big Apple fan. I'm sure I'm not alone in this, and Apple should be careful now, because their products are starting to loose their "X factor" for a lot of people it seems. Windows PC manufactores have now to a great degree catched up with Apple, and Apple doesn't seem to care. Time to clean house, and get some new management IMO.
 
What did we expect from an entire lake of coffee?

never ending alertness.

And a complete lake of coffee you say? Get me a straw... i'm going to be here a while.

on second thought

screw the straw, i'm diving in.
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Agree with this. I have a base iMac Pro and love how quiet it is.

volume of the cooling doesn't mean it cools well :p
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Typing this on my '19 i9 iMac right now. Couldn't be happier. Blazing fast, dead quiet and surprisingly cool. I find it quite humorous the amount of people taking the piss with a machine they do not have in their possession. Maybe it's jealousy, ignorance or trolling. Not sure which...?

how does the CPU handle 100% load over time? what does an AIDA64 run show after about 10 minutes?

modern CPU's at idle clock down. even bursty desktop use isn't going to really run into the headroom limits of the thermals of most modern CPUs

However, for a lot of people, gamers, designers, producers, they'll run their CPU's at 100% for long periods of time during rendering, etc. This si where thermal throttling becomes an issue (and on older iMacs was an issue).

When people are trying to do work on these machines, where every mhz means slightly shorter run times, or better performance, having the device thermal throttle means they are not getting the full power of the chip.

Would love to hear / see what sort of performance under load the thermals do and if Apple managed to fix them. So if you don't mind, can you give an AIDA64 a 15 or so minute run and report the chart?
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25% is a significant amount. 10 hours of rendering or whatever gets cut down to 7.5. It doesn't even have to be a Hackintosh, it could be any computer. It's the CPU that matters and Apple absolutely SUCKS when it comes to making a powerful computer.

For the record, Hackintoshes are not a hassle.

For the record, Hackintoshes are cool. But are a hassle :p

I've got 3-4 older machines that have all failed to Hackintosh despite all efforts. And my Ryzen 7 machine also doesn't work

Hackintoshing isn't a hassle if you purpose build to hackintosh ensuring that the parts you get are mostly compatible. If you're already on a PC, it's going to be a crapshoot.
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I got a 1662 in Cinebench R15:

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And a 4067 on Cinebench R20:

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Is that any good? I didn't even hear my fans ramp up. I'm not even joking about that. I can make a video if people don't believe me. The only time I heard it ramp up was during setup when I was installing Creative Suite while downloading Microsoft Office and syncing 150GB over LAN from my Dropbox while running a Time Machine backup and it only ramped up moderately for about a minute.

Thoughts guys? I've been on MacBook Pros since 2008 so I haven't bothered with benchmarking in ages.

Oh, and here is my Geekbench which seems to beat the average: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/12589531

Ninja edit: I saw some results for the iMac Pro on R15 which show the Cinebench scores seem in line with the lower two models.
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See what I just wrote above. So far seems quiet in benchmarks.

Something doesn't seem "right" with the R15 score. don't know the R20 score.

comparison wise, i'm running a R7-1700 overclocked to 3.85Ghz. So an older, overclocked. CPU from AMD. your i9 should be walloping my computer
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there could very well be some thermal issues going on in your i9. the question is, as you say you couldn't even hear the fans. If you're running under sustained load, and the thing is heating up you should be...

might need to have the fan curve fixed on that. Either that or MacOS is introducing some form of performance penalty.
 
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You're just insulting yourself by not seeing that the iMac Pro chassis isn't the same, the CPUs are a larger package that disappate heat differently, have a larger cooling system and is more expensive. If you want all that then upgrade.

EVERY few years when a new consumer level computer comes out this same argument happens it always comes from some internet master wannabe who has nothing but benchmarks and his own hot air to release online. It never comes from an actual pro who would use pro equipment, render boxes or render farms. Kinda boring. Like a joke that keeps getting repeated for attention.
I feel insulted that I hade a conversation with somebody like you.
 
I have a similar story, because I want to work on my computer and have fun with games. I'm still looking at the new generation of 2019, but I’m confused by the small set of Thunderbolt 3 interfaces. There are only two of them and, turning to the specialists in eGPU.io, only one of them works fully (2017 model). Suppose we take it with an external graphic card. We have only one TB3, where we wanted to connect both the monitor * and external storage and other peripherals. For me, this is a problem and an already outdated computer because of its I/O.

* - another problem is the loss of speed of an external graphics card. In any case, there is a loss of about 10-15% of power when connected via an external monitor. CPU/motherboard -> eGPU -> Monitor. This is the best option if we want gain maximum perfomance. And if we want to use our beautiful built-in display, our chain is extended: CPU -> eGPU -> motherboard -> Monitor. This leads to even greater power losses of the external graphic card, no less than an additional 10-15%.

And by the way, if I understood correctly, one of the ports of TB3 just does not pull out the power of the eGPU for the reason that it is tied with the integrated video card. For comparison, iMac Pro not only has more ports TB3, but they are all independent.

And so we have several questions at once. As an example, I will take a graphic card Vega 64 (because Radeon VII has no support and when it appears it is unknown). If we use an external monitor to get maximum effect from the eGPU, we already have all TB3 ports at once and we dont use internal display. At the same time, our eGPU gives “clean power” at about the level of Vega 56. This is still not bad. But if we want to use the built-in monitor, we lose a lot of external power, and in this case, the difference in gain from Vega 64 in comparison with Vega 48 becomes minimal, which makes this expensive solution meaningless.

So this question remains open.
The iMac Pro’s Xeon-W CPU has x44 lanes of PCIe 3.0, while the Core i-Series of CPUs have x16 lanes of PCIe 3.0. Apple allocates all x16 lanes on the Core i-Series to the GPU, which leaves nothing for the Thunderbolt 3 controllers, while the Xeon still has x28 lanes of PCIe 3.0 for two independent controllers (x4 each) and for the storage (x4), which still leaves x16 lanes. Since Thunderbolt devices and storage are directly connected to the CPU, it means they are not constrained to go through the computer’s PCH (chipset) and then the DMI 3.0 bus (8GT/s) to connect to the communicate with the CPU. Apple limits the Thunderbolt 3 ports to two because I am sure they feel that stuffing two TB3 buses AND x4 NVMe storage through the DMI bus is simply too much data to not encounter a severe bottleneck.

There is one Alpine Ridge/TitanRidge controller for each 2 ports, so one for the iMac and two for the iMac Pro. Each port does not have its own controller. No Thunderbolt ports are tied to the iGPU, please provide a reference for that claim.

Using a decent eGPU enclosure should provide adequate bandwidth for use in gaming, but not necessarily at 4K, if that is your goal. 1440p and 1080p should work just fine.

If gaming is more important. Then perhaps a Windows PC is a better choice for you.
 
No Thunderbolt ports are tied to the iGPU, please provide a reference for that claim.
Thanks for the reply! I will not be able to give you a specific source, as this is just my guess based on the rumors that I heard on the resource egpu.io. So this is not a confirmed rumor, and if you do not agree with this, then I believe you.

The iMac Pro’s Xeon-W CPU has x44 lanes of PCIe 3.0, while the Core i-Series of CPUs have x16 lanes of PCIe 3.0. Apple allocates all x16 lanes on the Core i-Series to the GPU, which leaves nothing for the Thunderbolt 3 controllers, while the Xeon still has x28 lanes of PCIe 3.0 for two independent controllers (x4 each) and for the storage (x4), which still leaves x16 lanes. Since Thunderbolt devices and storage are directly connected to the CPU, it means they are not constrained to go through the computer’s PCH (chipset) and then the DMI 3.0 bus (8GT/s) to connect to the communicate with the CPU. Apple limits the Thunderbolt 3 ports to two because I am sure they feel that stuffing two TB3 buses AND x4 NVMe storage through the DMI bus is simply too much data to not encounter a severe bottleneck.
Besides, your words explain the specificity of TB 3 in the iMac. However, I still do not understand what prevents to set more such ports in it, considering the number of such in Mac mini and MacBooks.
Using a decent eGPU enclosure should provide adequate bandwidth for use in gaming, but not necessarily at 4K, if that is your goal. 1440p and 1080p should work just fine.

If gaming is more important. Then perhaps a Windows PC is a better choice for you.
Actually, the primary reason for choosing a mac that I pursue is to continue work in a FCPX. I considered the return to the PC, given the different pros and cons, and came to the conclusion that I most likely would not be able to move away from the Macos. So even if I want to play periodically, this is still not the main thing. However, my goal is to shot several birds with one stone. The eGPU will give acceleration in both video editing and games. And for 1440p resolution in most cases, the Vega 48 will do its job perfectly. But, sometimes it happens when some things look awful in a reduced resolution. Based on the experience that I now have on the reserve iMac 21.5" 4K (Recently broke up with my working 27" Late 2013)
 
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Gosh, my trash can is just getting creamed by these numbers. Please give us the modular mac pro!!!!
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I hear the frustration you’re voicing, and I have a few comments.

2) They aren’t totally ignoring the Mac Pro, actually they’re doing the opposite: they’ve been working on a new platform for over two years. Yes, it’s taking longer than anyone who’s waiting for it wants it to take, but they’re not ignoring it.

3) I agree with you re: F-keys; I’d also prefer discrete keys. There’s room to add them on the 15” MBP, even if they keep the Touch Bar.

4) The new keyboard is hardly universally loved; some hate it with a passion, others dislike it; some don’t care and some actually prefer the new keyboard. Apple is well aware of the situation, and I hope they give us a great keyboard with the next MBP platform. I think that’ll be this year but who knows. But until they update the platform, we’re stuck with the current keyboard :(

2) That is what they say, lets hope it is true

3) not a fan of the touch bar...if it was vertical and on the ride side of the keys it might be viable

4) hate hate hate the new keyboard. My tried and true is the Logitech K811 - stellar product and the hot switching bluetooth is incredible.
 
Thanks for the reply! I will not be able to give you a specific source, as this is just my guess based on the rumors that I heard on the resource egpu.io. So this is not a confirmed rumor, and if you do not agree with this, then I believe you.


Besides, your words explain the specificity of TB 3 in the iMac. However, I still do not understand what prevents to set more such ports in it, considering the number of such in Mac mini and MacBooks.

Actually, the primary reason for choosing a mac that I pursue is to continue work in a FCPX. I considered the return to the PC, given the different pros and cons, and came to the conclusion that I most likely would not be able to move away from the Macos. So even if I want to play periodically, this is still not the main thing. However, my goal is to shot several birds with one stone. The eGPU will give acceleration in both video editing and games. And for 1440p resolution in most cases, the Vega 48 will do its job perfectly. But, sometimes it happens when some things look awful in a reduced resolution. Based on the experience that I now have on the reserve iMac 21.5" 4K (Recently broke up with my working 27" Late 2013)

The Mac mini has no discrete GPU, hence all x16 PCIe lanes off the CPU are available, same for the 13” MacBook Pro. The 15” MacBook Pro only uses x8 PCIe lanes for the discrete GPU leaving x4 and x4 for Thunderbolt 3 (2 Titan Ridge controllers) and storage runs through the PCH and then DMI to the CPU.

Good luck with your 21.5” iMac!
 
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You're just insulting yourself by not seeing that the iMac Pro chassis isn't the same, the CPUs are a larger package that disappate heat differently, have a larger cooling system and is more expensive. If you want all that then upgrade.

Nobody is disputing that head dissipation works differently. Your original assertion was: "The iMac Pro is a larger computer with expensive cooling system." It's unclear what "larger" refers to*, and my best guess is you were mistaken and are trying to save face.

*) The logic board, perhaps? But leaving aside the irrelevance, even that appears to be, in fact, smaller.
 
I have a similar story, because I want to work on my computer and have fun with games... Suppose we take it with an external graphic card. We have only one TB3 [controller], where we wanted to connect both the monitor * and external storage and other peripherals. For me, this is a problem and an already outdated computer because of its I/O.
But when would you ever be moving data over Thunderbolt to or from external storage while gaming? If you install your games on the internal drive, this shouldn’t be an issue. (That’s one reason I went with the 3 TB Fusion Drive, with which I’ve been very happy in my 2015 iMac.)

I will take a graphic card Vega 64 (because Radeon VII has no support and when it appears it is unknown).
I’m seeing lots of Radeon VIIs running on Macs under both macOS and Windows in the Geekbench 4 Compute database. (Here’s one running on a 2019 iMac.)

Under macOS, they’re all running under a beta version of macOS 10.14.5, so support for the Radeon VII seems to be on its way. (Oddly, however, many of the Radeon VII’s OpenCL compute scores are not much better in macOS 10.14.5 Beta than those of the Radeon Pro Vega 48. I’m guessing this is more a matter of driver tuning than anything else, bearing in mind that this is the first beta build of macOS 10.14.5.)
 
Couldn't care less.

No larger screens with slimmer bezels -- CHECK
No updated thermal architecture -- CHECK
No PCIe-flash across the board -- CHECK
No 16GB RAM as standard -- CHECK
No 120Hz ProMotion -- CHECK
No Face ID - CHECK
No True Tone Display -- CHECK
No 1080p Webcam -- CHECK
No Tx Security Chip -- CHECK
No Space Grey option -- CHECK
No backlit keyboard -- CHECK
Tim Cook still there -- CHECK

You left out that the basic models on their website are shipping with 5400 RPM drives. This is 2019 and they are selling a $1300 machine with a 5400RPM spinning drive, that's unreal.

Typing this on my '19 i9 iMac right now. Couldn't be happier. Blazing fast, dead quiet and surprisingly cool. I find it quite humorous the amount of people taking the piss with a machine they do not have in their possession. Maybe it's jealousy, ignorance or trolling. Not sure which...?

Good for you, you are very very very special. Maybe you also look down and laugh at people that have a smaller house then you; cheaper car than you or less limbs than you. What a wonderful person you are.

It's easy to forget the average joe would just pick up a base model and then they'd get stuck with a 5400RPM drive and be wondering why their new $1300 computer is sow slow compared to a $600 PC that ships with a SSD. Solid State Drives are cheap; Apple should not be shipping computers with 5400RPM spinning drive, it's criminal.
 
Something doesn't seem "right" with the R15 score. don't know the R20 score.

comparison wise, i'm running a R7-1700 overclocked to 3.85Ghz. So an older, overclocked. CPU from AMD. your i9 should be walloping my computer
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there could very well be some thermal issues going on in your i9. the question is, as you say you couldn't even hear the fans. If you're running under sustained load, and the thing is heating up you should be...

might need to have the fan curve fixed on that. Either that or MacOS is introducing some form of performance penalty.

Have you looked up the scores for the 8-core iMac Pro? It's about the same and that's without a redesigned thermal system. I'll take this for a lot less money, lol. Is there a score difference between macOS and Windows versions of the app? Because at the end of the day here's the deal: I'm not going to build or buy a Windows PC. It's just not going to happen ever. I'm over that phase of my life. So I'm only comparing this to other Macs and from that perspective I think it's pretty great. It's among the fastest Macs you can buy for the lowest amount of money. That makes it pretty incredible IMO. If Macs are so slow then IDK why most video professionals use them?

I'm not doing much with video production anyway that would tax the processor for a long time—mostly shorter bursts with a lot of multitasking. I just wanted something that would run fast when editing and sometimes stitching together 42MP RAW panoramas, handle a lot of design work, development work, and last me for 6-8 years without spending iMac Pro kind of money or feeling too slow towards the end of it's life. Something I can upgrade the RAM on and has the ability to take eGPUs if I want to get one down the road. Something I can use in Bootcamp to do moderate gaming (tested Apex Legends on close to maxed settings for 1440p resolution and it looked great hovering around 60fps which is as fast as the iMac display goes).

It checks all the boxes and was within my budget so I got it. I'm sure the Mac Pro will blow away the iMac and iMac Pro this summer but it's probably outside of my budget and I'm hesitant to buy a majorly redesigned product that is that expensive right out of the gate, especially since I really needed to upgrade last year and have been waiting. They'll probably just announce it in the summer and then I'd be waiting until late in 2019 like they did with the iMac Pro and then I'd want to wait another six months to make sure it's not garbage so maybe another year out from now.
 
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