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Maybe, but it also means the updates will be less meaningful, outside of redesigns and maybe GPU, which they seem to be abandoning anyway.

It would be nice if Intel focused on bringing integrates graphics on par with mobile offerings from NVIDIA and AMD.

It would be nice, but part of me is against it. Intel is perfect in CPUs, but we've seen their GPU parodies in the past (don't confuse with new ones). They still have a lot to learn when compared to AMD and Nvidia. That's a long-way run and I don't expect them to surpass that milestone in next couple of years. So focusing on low-to-mid-range GPUs is the most probable path for them.
 
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STAFF, i am not getting this. Even thou Intel releases Kabi Lake late 2016, will the proper chips be ready? I always thought Intel released chips at the end of the year, and the macbook pro chips was ready 5-6 months later. Or am i wrong?
 
No, we just don't understand how a company can have so much money and thus all the resources available that so much money can buy and let things like this get so far behind the times. We don't want junk but we also don't get why it seems like so much waits so long for an update.

My own wild guess: Apple has grown up into the biggest corporation in the world as measured by common financial metrics but is still run like it's about 1998... meaning the same handful of guys at the very top must be in on every decision- even the mundane nitty-gritty ones- and they can't fit in lower priority decision-making (translation: non-iPhone/iPad decisions) very often or very easily. More simply: I suspect Apple needs to learn to delegate and empower people well down below the big dogs at the top to make decisions. Else, I just can't rationalize what can hold up so much stuff from getting updates when we know that money is no obstacle and demand is there.
The thing is that Apple doesn't have to compete in macs. Those who want a mac, take what Apple gives. Every skipped model saves millions. Every skipped feature saves million support calls. That's not much compared to iOS business, but why not to take it? Especially in bean counter logics?
 
STAFF, i am not getting this. Even thou Intel releases Kabi Lake late 2016, will the proper chips be ready? I always thought Intel released chips at the end of the year, and the macbook pro chips was ready 5-6 months later. Or am i wrong?

Kaby Lake desktop CPU's will begin appearing in Q3 2016 (i5-7600, i7-7700 etc).

Kaby Lake 15w CPU's (suitable for ultrabooks) will be available Q4 2016.

Kaby Lake >28w CPU's (the type used in current MacBook Pro's & workstation class notebooks) will be available Q1/Q2 2017.
 
Apple will release their newest MacBook Pros with Skylake processors, even well after the release of Kaby.

Sometimes I wonder why people spend $1,500 or more for a laptop with outdated and under-powered specs.

Oh wait, this is Tim Cook's Apple we're talking about.

Engineering team: "Tim, Intel released these new processors today that are two generations ahead of what we have in our laptops."

Tim: "Is that so? Well, lets just put new chips in the laptops... So now we're only one generation behind instead."
Buy for half price, sell for double. Good business... When you have monopoly on macs...
 
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Kaby Lake desktop CPU's will begin appearing in Q3 2016 (i5-7600, i7-7700 etc).

Kaby Lake 15w CPU's (suitable for ultrabooks) will be available Q4 2016.

Kaby Lake >28w CPU's (the type used in current MacBook Pro's & workstation class notebooks) will be available Q1/Q2 2017.
Thank you. This is what I also thought. With Your timestamps beeing the correct timeline - why are macrumors and 9to5mac staff thinking it could be a chance for kaby lake in macbook pros?
 
Thank you. This is what I also thought. With Your timestamps beeing the correct timeline - why are macrumors and 9to5mac staff thinking it could be a chance for kaby lake in macbook pros?

It's not impossible that Apple has early access to the Kaby Lake CPU's, but this is very, very unlikely.

Assuming Apple release the new Macs this summer, I'd bet my house on Apple going with Skylake and then updating them with Kaby Lake around March-June 2017. Either way, Apple are well out of sync with Intel's release schedule.
 
It's not impossible that Apple has early access to the Kaby Lake CPU's, but this is very, very unlikely.

Assuming Apple release the new Macs this summer, I'd bet my house on Apple going with Skylake and then updating them with Kaby Lake around March-June 2017. Either way, Apple are well out of sync with Intel's release schedule.

I agree. But every report assumes a Q4 releasedate. Also, macrumors confirmed this is actually q4 and not fiscal q4.

It seems wierd for apple to release complitly New refresh only 3 months before intel release a New processor.
 
The thing is that Apple doesn't have to compete in macs. Those who want a mac, take what Apple gives. Every skipped model saves millions. Every skipped feature saves million support calls. That's not much compared to iOS business, but why not to take it? Especially in bean counter logics?

While there is truth to what you say, Apple does lay in the price premium. And that is always a factor in play here... basically, if I'm going to pay 30%, 40% or more for the same combination of hardware available in other brands of hardware in an eye-of-the-beholder, prettier case, I expect to get the most bang for my bucks. Paying up for what seems outdated is harder to do. Paying up for what seems very outdated is still harder.

Pair that with the common knowledge that Apple is swimming in piles of hoarded cash and it's hard to reconcile why they can't allocate the talent & resources to keep all product lines up to date. Yes, there could be "millions" at stake in added customer service calls and embracing newer chipsets... but how long does it take Apple to make "millions" when all of their commonly reported financials work in "billions."

Furthermore, Apple rolls out product updates and sales follow. While they sit on their hands, some sales wait for an update or give up and buy the competitor's platform. So even if we can argue that "millions" are at risk, there's probably also corresponding "millions" in opportunity cost waiting to flow TO Apple by those smart enough to know outdated models when they see them.

So yes, I'm sure its very profitable to see increasingly outdated hardware at the originally-offered price for as long as possible. But the non-monetary cost in that is perception, frustration, even the concept that Apple is "ripping off" the gullible buyers who may not realize they are buying months or years-old technology still at the same price when it was rolled out as cutting-edge new.

Other than the bean counter rationale, there doesn't seem to be any good reason for this. And thus, the frustration & aggravation among those who expect more of Apple, even long for a former Apple that seemed better able to "keep up".
 
While there is truth to what you say, Apple does lay in the price premium. And that is always a factor in play here... basically, if I'm going to pay 30%, 40% or more for the same combination of hardware available in other brands of hardware in an eye-of-the-beholder, prettier case, I expect to get the most bang for my bucks. Paying up for what seems outdated is harder to do. Paying up for what seems very outdated is still harder.

Pair that with the common knowledge that Apple is swimming in piles of hoarded cash and it's hard to reconcile why they can't allocate the talent & resources to keep all product lines up to date. Yes, there could be "millions" at stake in added customer service calls and embracing newer chipsets... but how long does it take Apple to make "millions" when all of their commonly reported financials work in "billions."

Furthermore, Apple rolls out product updates and sales follow. While they sit on their hands, some sales wait for an update or give up and buy the competitor's platform. So even if we can argue that "millions" are at risk, there's probably also corresponding "millions" in opportunity cost waiting to flow TO Apple by those smart enough to know outdated models when they see them.

So yes, I'm sure its very profitable to see increasingly outdated hardware at the originally-offered price for as long as possible. But the non-monetary cost in that is perception, frustration, even the concept that Apple is "ripping off" the gullible buyers who may not realize they are buying months or years-old technology still at the same price when it was rolled out as cutting-edge new.

Other than the bean counter rationale, there doesn't seem to be any good reason for this. And thus, the frustration & aggravation among those who expect more of Apple, even long for a former Apple that seemed better able to "keep up".
I'd say that so small portion of people who buy macs are so nerdy that they know the specs or even what the specs could be, that it doesn't matter to Apple.
Most people I know just expect new to be better and you have to buy new about every 5 years. And most of better things with new mac comes from software...
 
USB 3.1 would be good nativity.... at present u gotta use hi-speed usb/sata adapters.. to achieve that

no output for 5k. u know everyone will rush as a "i wish for this", but there's probably a reason.. Not just Mac's but any PC (assuming u could get TB on them)
 
They do it because they can and most people will pay the APPLE premium not knowing its 2 to 3 generations behind in tech.

Yea, I'm not sure what's going on with them. Their stuff never had the best of the best out there, but at least it had a current component. Not sure why fusion drive isn't standard at $1500 either.
 
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This is a symptom of a larger problem at Intel. They continue to hire "under represented minorities", refuse to fire under performing employees of the same, and refuse to hire good people if they are not a member of a minority group. So, what they now have is a situation where they have ticked a bunch of boxes to appease multiple groups to the detriment of the company.

With this latest labor reduction, Intel's hope is to cut staffing in half (unofficially). They are firing employees who have long tenure, are white, and male. Black female employees get a pass unless their performance is severely sub par.

My guess is, Intel will continue to struggle as long as their hiring and firing policies only look at color of skin and genitalia as decision matrices.

Things are bad at Intel right now. Really bad.

where can i find more info on this?

Get an Intel employee to discuss with you off the record.

Seems like some pretty empty accusations of Intel. I personally don't know much about how Intel runs their day to day, but if you are going to criticize like that, you should probably provide some specific examples for your accusations to hold any water.
 
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Seems like some pretty empty accusations of Intel. I personally don't know much about how Intel runs their day to day, but if you are going to criticize like that, you should probably provide some specific examples for your accusations to hold any water.

I am simply stating facts as conveyed to me by Intel employees. I could tell you their names and provide specific examples so you can run and get them fired if you like. I chose not to go that route. Just like any inside information, sources are protected. You can choose to believe what I say or do not.
 
I am simply stating facts as conveyed to me by Intel employees. I could tell you their names and provide specific examples so you can run and get them fired if you like. I chose not to go that route. Just like any inside information, sources are protected. You can choose to believe what I say or do not.
It's surely a strawman, Intel probably had some hiring/apprenticeship initiative for minorities and it got distorted into that :p
 
That's a cop-out by Apple. Nothing's stopping them from releasing new equipment that's upgraded in other areas besides processor architecture. Their customers are already telling them with their wallets that "spec bumps" don't cut it anymore. Time to toss Ive to the curb and hire someone who can come up with a halfway decent product at least once a year, as opposed to Jony who can't be bothered for years at a time.

I think you've pegged the wrong person. The problem with Jony in my opinion is he's just not a computer user. His response to you would be something like "what do you want? Blue plastic? Rounded edges? A circular screen? Oh wait - I know - wouldn't it be useful if you no longer had function keys? You'd pay double for that feature, right?"

There has to be someone who understands how computers are used internally who can upgrade the *capabilities* of the computer - AFAIK, Jony is just a form factor guy. His Macbook Pro is made out of styrofoam.

I was just remembering how ironic this change of events is for Apple: Remember when Apple computers always led in modern I/O ports? And Apple had a rule that worked amazingly well: Macbook Pros were more powerful than 80% of Wintel laptops, so even power users were happy. It's fine for Apple to offer netbooks as a separate line, but if they eliminate serious laptops, how will they continue to create iOS? And by forcing power users to switch to Wintel again, what will happen to their software base?

I think the TRUE cop out from Apple is this idea that they can no longer "afford" to make products that only sell a few 10s of millions of units a year. If they could afford to do it before, they should be able to afford to do it now, unless they've had a 10x drop in efficiency. And Tim Cook's strong point is suppliers - so surely he could deal with the challenge of negotiating decent rates on lower volumes of parts.
 
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That's a cop-out by Apple. Nothing's stopping them from releasing new equipment that's upgraded in other areas besides processor architecture.
Apple's competition is releasing USB-C and T3 connectors on their laptops since early this year, so presumably Apple has the same access.
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Things are bad at Intel right now. Really bad.
I fear Intel is not the only company allowing political correctness drive its productivity and human resources decisions.
 
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This is a symptom of a larger problem at Intel. They continue to hire "under represented minorities", refuse to fire under performing employees of the same, and refuse to hire good people if they are not a member of a minority group. So, what they now have is a situation where they have ticked a bunch of boxes to appease multiple groups to the detriment of the company.

With this latest labor reduction, Intel's hope is to cut staffing in half (unofficially). They are firing employees who have long tenure, are white, and male. Black female employees get a pass unless their performance is severely sub par.

My guess is, Intel will continue to struggle as long as their hiring and firing policies only look at color of skin and genitalia as decision matrices.

Things are bad at Intel right now. Really bad.

that's so interesting, because I heard that it's a problem refusing to hire more minorities and women, and refusing to fire under performing white males, even going so far as to wait until white male performance is severely sub par.

My guess, until Intel is willing to not look at the color of ones skin and fire all those white males, they are going to continue running into these issues.
 
that's so interesting, because I heard that it's a problem refusing to hire more minorities and women, and refusing to fire under performing white males, even going so far as to wait until white male performance is severely sub par.

My guess, until Intel is willing to not look at the color of ones skin and fire all those white males, they are going to continue running into these issues.

Thank you for proving my point. Your support is appreciated.
 
Apple will go with Skylake so they can profit off the cheaper processors...I expect a fall macbook pro release.....
 
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