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Don't forget about the people waiting for the PowerBook G5. They've been waiting for about 10 years now.

I don't think Apple is looking at Intel for 2018. I think Apple is planning on ditching Intel in favor of bringing ARM to Mac before then.

Maybe we'll see A10X in the MacBook within the next half year or so. By the end of 2018, all of their laptops and the MacMini will be on ARM, and maybe even the iMac. The MacPro will probably stick with Intel, since I don't think Apple wants to invest a lot into designing CPUs for that kind of machine.

You clearly have no idea what it entails to move from intel. Not just from apple but from every single developer and app that runs on mac period.
 
Pretty hilarious that Apple moved away from IBM chips to Intel because they didn't want to be held back by IBM's slow development cycle. And now they're hamstrung by Intel's cycle. The sooner Apple can bring the whole CPU and GPU development in-house, the better. Even if it means buying AMD or another fabricator.

Are they though?

Intel releases new chips all the time... and dozens of PC manufacturers release new computers with new Intel chips all the time...

It sounds like the problem is with Apple... not Intel.
 
You clearly have no idea what it entails to move from intel. Not just from apple but from every single developer and app that runs on mac period.
Neither do you, because that would be 100% dependent of how Apple deals with things.

Anyway, dGPUs mean less battery life, bigger form factors or throttling, and higher risk of damage. Macs shouldn't have components from AMD or Nvidia.
 
Is it correct for me to assume that Apple can actually release new retina MacBook's right now?
 
Well a GT4E skylake chip sounds fine to me for the time being so hoping they bung one in in the refresh. This sounds like a problem that won't even be a problem for at least 18 months though.
 
Most people don't care. They'd rather have the cheaper version with longer battery.
That computer already exists: it's called the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display.

The 15-inch MacBook Pro is a whopping 2000 dollar laptop that has no appeal to the average consumer because it costs 2000 ****ing dollars. 2500 dollars if you want discrete graphics.
 
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Pretty hilarious that Apple moved away from IBM chips to Intel because they didn't want to be held back by IBM's slow development cycle. And now they're hamstrung by Intel's cycle. The sooner Apple can bring the whole CPU and GPU development in-house, the better. Even if it means buying AMD or another fabricator.

And history will repeat itself, even if Apple did make its own CPUs. Apple would run in to the same issues as Intel, at some point. Probably sooner rather than later. At this time, Intel would have probably got passed its pain point.
 
You clearly have no idea what it entails to move from intel. Not just from apple but from every single developer and app that runs on mac period.
I remember when they moved from
Power PC to Intel and it was quite seamless, and in fact they completed ahead of schedule! I think Apple has everything in place to do another move and i bet it would be even smoother.
 
Neither do you, because that would be 100% dependent of how Apple deals with things.

Anyway, dGPUs mean less battery life, bigger form factors or throttling, and higher risk of damage. Macs shouldn't have components from AMD or Nvidia.
If the components remain within thermal design power - nothing wrong or bad will happen with the hardware.
 
In your opinion, is Mac Pro dead for good?
You have to wonder tbh. I wouldn't be surprised to see apple do nothing to that line, when they do roll out the laptop updates.

Kind of reminds me of Aperture, Apple udpates its software line, but doesn't do anything with Aperture, doesn't say anything, doesn't do anything, then they finally announce its death. I foresee the MacPro following that course
 
Seems like a good opportunity to get rid of their dependence on the crappy integrated Intel graphics chipset.


Or shall we raise up the debate on a switch to Apples own A series (though much improved with the extra power available in a laptop) that's always a fun one to rant on about :D
 
If the components remain within thermal design power - nothing wrong or bad will happen with the hardware.
That is far from being always the case. And also, in order to be within thermal design, the current one would've to be more "brick"-like, in order to support the same line of processors and so on and to be as durable as current machines.

I agree with you that Macs should have a lot more GPU power, but Nvidia and AMD aren't the solution. Intel isn't, as well. It's up to Apple to keep milking this cow or actually do something about this.

80W A-series SoC here we go.
 
new MacBook Pro 15" with coffee lake will be the next release, Q4 2017. Nothing until then.

That was the old plan. Now we have to wait for AMD to provide a suitable graphics chip which is pushing back to Q4 2018. Still with Kaby Lake though, retooling for Cannon Lake would make it some time after the Apple Car.
 
I don't get the reliance on special GT* chips. Isn't Skylake and Kaby lake supposed to be able to handle 4k graphics. Last time I checked the retina display hasn't changed resolution.

Would it be that regular chips now can facilitate retina smooth animations? I would think so
 
Seems like a good opportunity to get rid of their dependence on the crappy integrated Intel graphics chipset.
Intel graphics are the best solution on the market: Enough GPU power for most use cases, awesome battery life and thermal management. No hardware failures.

The base 15" is a better machine than the higher end 15".
 
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