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Intel's New Image and Apple's Role
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Randall said:
Have you maybe heard of Intel SpeedStep Technology ?
http://support.intel.com/support/processors/mobile/pentiumiii/sb/CS-007509.htm
You will have 667Mhz Fsb(full cpu speed) but only in performance mode but in batery performance it goes down (Fsb and CPU spped) to save battery.Are you really thinking that you can have 4x times higher FSB and CPU speed with same or less power consumtion. And higher FSB doesn´t automaticly means faster computer, there is lot of other important components that must be also fast and all this componets are consuming with increasing speed , more power.
Wonder Boy
macrumors 6502a
Sol said:
smaller- sure why not? could be an issue with the imac and 'books (ie who really wants a smaller screen?) does the mac mini need to be smaller? not to me. now the g5 tower. there's a piece that can be downsized.
cheaper- who doesn't want this?
cooler- laptops need this the most. but we've been screaming that for years.
could intel be the answer?
Maestro64 said:
Info for you:
Apple never used the 602...it used the 601, 603, 603e, 603ev, 604 and 604e...there were plans for a 620, but it turned out more or less as the G3.
There was never a 050, but rather a 060, which showed in some prototypes for accel. boards from Daystar and some later Amiga models...and that's all.
There is a video of "Yonah" and a centrino playing Quake 4 against eachother. Needless to say "Yonah" is a significant improvement.
http://www.file1145y.com/
http://www.file1145y.com/
thejadedmonkey
macrumors G3
Maestro64 said:
I've never had an intel motherboard go south on me...drivers, that's another story, but I expect apple will fix that no sweat.
geerlingguy
macrumors 6502a
J@ffa said:
Sound cancelling, such as that of the Bose QuietComfort headphones, is not possible without the cancelling device being very near to a person's ears. If you have a speaker near the hard drive putting out the cancelling sound waves, depending on where you and your computer are, the sound may actually be louder than without any cancelling noises.
LaMerVipere
macrumors 6502a
People who say Macs are more expensive than comparable PCs are dreaming. Try pricing a Dell laptop with comparable specs & software and you'll see the price literally balloon before your eyes.
Bonte
macrumors 65816
maya said:
If MS loses a big part of the consumer market to Apple that stock is going to tank more than it should, last few years MS stock has not moved much because the new markets didn't catch on moneywise. If the x-box starts making money then maybe but i don't see that devision out of the red very soon or ever. 😎
Last 5 years MSFT stayed between 25-30, its a dead end stock and Microsoft has gotten so big it can only go down. Especially now that they can't abuse there desktop dominance to force themselves into other markets.
ppnkg
macrumors 6502a
Maestro64 said:
hmm.., I think if apple are ready to launch new macs in January, they have probably been testing them for quite a while. I have no doubt that we're going to see some solid systems. I wonder however where all this will take apple. I read the article about Intel strategy and it makes perfect sense to me. I sense that what drives the 'platform' strategy is an increasing dissatisfaction with microsoft. I mean, intel feel strong enough to market themselves as innovators, but this simply cannot fly with microsoft. So think intel probably sees more in the partnership with apple than `intel inside'. The question is, how apple think they fit in all this in the long term. Steve hasn't told us enough yet.
Hugh
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Apple using stickers
The Performa line had stickers on them. I remember the Performa 600 having all kind of stickers on the bottom of it near the CD-ROM (so did some Mac IIvx and Mac IIvi).
Some new Macs that used the PowerPC did have a PowerPC logo on them.
-Hugh
Abercrombieboy said:
The Performa line had stickers on them. I remember the Performa 600 having all kind of stickers on the bottom of it near the CD-ROM (so did some Mac IIvx and Mac IIvi).
Some new Macs that used the PowerPC did have a PowerPC logo on them.
-Hugh
Seasought
macrumors 65816
Bonte said:
Perhaps this is part of the agenda of the "Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation"; establish a healthcare monopoly in overseas developing countries, integrate Microsoft as part of the healthcare/medical industry and not just computer software.
It doesn't have to be limited to healthcare of course, but the idea came to my mind when I read the article in Time concerning their visits to other countries that didn't have a highly developed system of healthcare.
Maybe I'm going overboard? Too much conspiracy theory? I don't know, sounds like an idea to me.
Those macs are waaaay before the beige G3 so what's your point. And no, no new macs have the powerpc logo since the beige boxes. iMac? No. Tower? (G3,4,5) no. Powerbook, ibook? No. All designed under SJ.Hugh said:
Stonecoldcleric
macrumors newbie
Seasought said:
Hey, I hate the Gateopoly as much as anyone, but using generosity as a pretense for gaining control and power? That's quite a conspiracy. I think too many would call him on it if he bagan to shove MS down their throats.🙂
Really?Stonecoldcleric said:
Correct me if my memory is failing, but I seem to recall an impasse between the Indian government and Microsoft over copyright and standardisation on Windows (& other Microsoft products) by the public sector. The impasse disappeared soon after MS established a "research and/or development and/or support centre" in 2002 at a claimed cost of USD400m.
Both parties claimed - at the time - that the "generous investment" was not related to subsequent easing of the Indian posture towards MS.
Other companies and countries do the same thing all the time. Aid to 3rd world countries is quite often tied to purchasing or funding contracts with the donor companies or countries.
This is not to say that the Gates Foundation's altruism is in any way similar. Merely that conditional aid is a well established practice, Microsoft (as against the Gates Foundation) has done this before, and the Gates and Microsoft names are inextricably linked.
edit: and there was a recent announcement of a USD1.7Bn investment in India by Microsoft. Explicitly to produce a version of Windows for India, available in nine languages, to compete with open source software. All couched in altruistic terms. Read about it here. Now I would like to see India and Indians get all the benefits, but wonder about the perpetual "tax" they will pay for the privilege.
AidenShaw
macrumors P6
the whole "switch" is about dropping the Apple-developed hardware
"Centrino" is a much stronger brand that AE ...
Since this story is about "image" - it looks like Apple will be dropping the "Think Different" mindset and will be embracing "Think Same".
But if the Intel one is cheaper, uses less power, and has zero R&D cost ????nsjoker said:
"Centrino" is a much stronger brand that AE ...
Since this story is about "image" - it looks like Apple will be dropping the "Think Different" mindset and will be embracing "Think Same".
Maestro64 said:
Hate to break it to you. Selling a mainframe with a handful of Power processors is a small drop in the bucket compared to :
Intel Processors
Intel Embedded Processors
Intel Network Controllers
Intel Chipsets
Intel Flash
Intel etc
Intel produces many more chips than IBM. IBM now has all 3 console markets, that helps them. But the console market is still very small compared to network hardware, computers, automobiles, IP phones, set top boxes, etc.
Before you jump in and say PPC runs in embedded systems like automobiles and networking gear; its not from IBM, its from Freescale. IBM's share of the embedded market is quite low; most of IBM's PPC cores on the market today are in embedded devices they fab for others, like Xilinx FPGAs; which for the embedded CPU versions are quite often low-volume as well.
IBM is a great Fab.......but they are in no way #1.
Intel still produces 8059 and 8088 microcontrollers; as well as some versions of the 486 for embedded platforms. They just don't shut down their old fabs, you'd be surprised how many chips Intel pumps out.
Soulivar said:
That used to be important. But as the powerpc has been evolving, it now has nearly as many instructions as an x86 processor. Plus, an x86 processor no longer executes x86 code, it converts it into microcode and executes that code instead; combining / reducing the real number of instructions executed.
The fact is, with the last G5s apple was falling way behind on performance; they couldn't hit the MHz required to compete against Intel machines which keep improving. At the same time, these new Intel processors do even more instructions per cycle, allowing the clock speed to be reduced resulting in less power and head consumption. The new upcoming Intel processors beat the living day out of the G5s in overall performance and in performance per watt.
They may not have good 64 bit support; but 64-bit support is a true waste for all but 1% of the computing market at most. Floating point and vector math is where it matters for science and games; and 32-bit integer is what matters for office/internet applications. 64-bits is used for programs with HUGE amounts of ram.
strange days
macrumors regular
RISC vs CISC is about instruction complexity, not instruction count. Plus many x86 instructions aren't merely complex, they're stupid. SIMD instructions that destroy their inputs, for example, so you're forced to execute extraneous load instructions.dguisinger said:
A CPU with built-in Rosetta isn't my idea of heaven. I'd bet that translation layer is a significant performance hit. The x86 is extremely register-starved, which doesn't help.dguisinger said:
Last "pure" Mac? Good lord.Soulivar said:
I know Jobs has banged the marketing drum pretty heavily over the years but what makes Intel more of a devil than IBM or Motorola? The latter of the three pretty much stifled Mac development for years.
If Intel can keep up with their timetable and enthusiasm of having Apple as an innovation partner this vitriole for Intel should be short lived. They certainly can't be any worse. It's easy to understand the skepticism but the other stuff is just a little over the top.