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Intel's Penryn Chip Performance Boosts
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Apple needs to do a little PR work. Marketing 101: What's in it for 'us?" How about giving us a free upgrade to Leopard if we buy a new computer now... or half off of an iphone with purchase... or add an Apple Care Buyers Remorse plan for $150, that if a new hardware platform comes out within 60 days of purchase, you can upgrade to the newer computer....??? Something, anything...
Do we even get Santa Rosa???
Or will they skip that... and just go with Penrym in Q4?
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Apple needs to do a little PR work. Marketing 101: What's in it for 'us?" How about giving us a free upgrade to Leopard if we buy a new computer now... or half off of an iphone with purchase... or add an Apple Care Buyers Remorse plan for $150, that if a new hardware platform comes out within 60 days of purchase, you can upgrade to the newer computer....??? Something, anything...
Do we even get Santa Rosa???
Or will they skip that... and just go with Penrym in Q4?
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Amen to that!
I have reached the same decision. Worth waiting for efficiency.
So I guess I'm gonna wait for that version of the 8 core Mac Pro before I pull the trigger. My Quad G5 will still serve me well enough for the rest of 2007 if need be. I'd rather keep saving more money meanwhile than buy an 8 core now that hasn't got a lot of brains behind its brawn.
I have reached the same decision. Worth waiting for efficiency.
Hope they get ahead of schedule on these chips. They sound sweet and powerful. 6 months ahead to hit AMD over the head would be sweet.
That article only mentions that a mobile Penryn CHIPSET (i.e. not processor, 2nd gen Santa Rosa) is to be released in 1H2008 . Also a quad core Penryn mobile chip will be released in 2008. Penryn is available in dual core and quad core configurations for Server and Desktop as well and IIRC those will be released in late 2007.Really?
What was really more interesting was what was reported about what Intel said in this link, from my post on the 'other' Penryn thread below this one- yesterday. Lol, just like the person who posted shortly thereafter, I suppose many MR readers just don't get it, kind of slooooow...like that PC guy in the Apple TV ads, "Um, what?"
http://www.infoworld.com/article/07/04/16/HNintelbeyondsantarosa_1.html
These look good. Maybe I should wait until these are in a Powerbook.
Maybe after that, Intel will announce a quad core mobile processor... that I'll have to wait for.
Perhaps by that time, Apple will announce the shipping of 10.5 in 2 months time.. that I'll just have to wait for...
.... before upgrading my Powerbook.
Maybe after that, Intel will announce a quad core mobile processor... that I'll have to wait for.
Perhaps by that time, Apple will announce the shipping of 10.5 in 2 months time.. that I'll just have to wait for...
.... before upgrading my Powerbook.
There is no such thing as a mobile Penryn chipset. Its a chip. The next mobile chipset after Santa Rosa is Nehalem. And like Santa Rosa. It will use the Penryn processor initally then switch to a even smaller processor (tick-tock). If the mobile Penryn processor is released in 1H2008. Then expect to see it in laptops around March/April and in Macs in like May/June
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Apple needs to do a little PR work. Marketing 101: What's in it for 'us?" How about giving us a free upgrade to Leopard if we buy a new computer now... or half off of an iphone with purchase... or add an Apple Care Buyers Remorse plan for $150, that if a new hardware platform comes out within 60 days of purchase, you can upgrade to the newer computer....??? Something, anything...
Do we even get Santa Rosa???
Or will they skip that... and just go with Penrym in Q4?
Penryn in Q2 2008 at the earliest. Which means we better not skip it. Because there are a lot of benifits of Santa Rosa (personally I think the processor bump is nothing compared to Santa Rosa, Core Duo to Core 2 Duo wasnt much of a leap.) So, if they were to skip Santa Rosa, I think it would be detrimental. People already dont want to buy because they are not getting Leopard but when Santa Rosa comes rolling around next month with faster FBS, Robson caching, improved battery life, and alittle bump of speed AS well. Then I doubt Apple is going to think its a good idea to bypass the entire christmas season without one of these slick new machines.
Im buying a Santa Rosa machine. Been waiting for it (mostly for .11n and Robson, which eliminated the former) just because my PB was doing good. But now its showin its age and hopefully within 2-3 months (summer is my buying season) a new MBP will be out. Perfect. Me, wait for Penyrn, hell no. Hopefully they also use the LED screen. That would just be a great update.
Be sweet if Intel releases them like in October when Leopard is released
HAHAHAHAHA. Its more likely for Q3 of 2008! than this year. Dont get your hopes up or anyone elses. You will not see Penyrn in a machine before the years out based on the current roadmap. If they jump the gun I would be quite surprised to see it even make in computers for December, let alone October.
Im in CEGEP. Ive never taught anywhere.
from the small photo you have as your avatar you actually look like one of my profs back in high school lol ... guess its not ur pic ?!
Which cegep are you at?
Actually Penryn (Core 2 @ 45nm) and Nehalem ("Core 3" @ 45nm) are both processor families.
Santa Rosa is the name used for the next generation mobile chipset (due out soon), related wireless chips, thermal/power specs, etc. (the whole platform). I believe the official name for the Santa Rosa related chipset will be Mobile Intel Express 965.
There is no such thing as a mobile Penryn chipset. Its a chip. The next mobile chipset after Santa Rosa is Nehalem. And like Santa Rosa. It will use the Penryn processor initally then switch to a even smaller processor (tick-tock). If the mobile Penryn processor is released in 1H2008. Then expect to see it in laptops around March/April and in Macs in like May/June
Actually, that's incorrect. Although you're right, Penryn is not a chipset, neither is Nehalem! In fact, neither is Santa Rosa!
Santa Rosa = Centrino Platform with Crestline Chipset
Processors supported: Merom 800MT/s (Socket P), and Penryn (Socket P)
Santa Rosa Refresh = around beginning of 2008- for Penryn stuff
Montevina = Next Centrino Platform after Santa Rosa. Cantiga Chipset, Socket P, improved Penryn support with faster FSB (1066MT/s), improved integrated graphics, DDR3 memory likely.
Penryn= Next generation chip of Intel Core Microarchitecture, 45nm, SSE4, Socket P for mobile variants.
Nehalem = Successor to Penryn, New Architecture. Due date is around 2008, and will likely be the architecutre that sees the next die shrink to 32nm.
I doubt it'll be that late, really. Recent reports indicated that Penryn was on track for an earlier release than expected. Apple could afford to wait on the Core 2 mobile chips, but they offered only a mild improvement and they had to milk the Core Duos for what they were worth. Penryn, however, provides just as much incentive as Santa Rosa, if not more to update the lineup when the time comes. First of all, it'll probably be near the end of the year, coinciding with the next likely update of the MBPs after the imminent Santa Rosa update. Penryn's advanced SSE4 instructions, 45nm design, and larger cache make it more attractive than just the FSB boost of the Merom-800MT/s from a processor standpoint... especially at some tasks Macs are quite often tasked to accomplish.
I may settle for Santa Rosa for my next portable, or I may hold out for Penryn refreshes or even Montevina penryns, but I know that from the pure processor capability POV, I'll be waiting for Penryn Mac Pros for sure.
You are getting into the Power User Trap. Power Users want the latest and greatest. But when it comes out they see the next latest and greatest is coming. About 5 months ago I Upgraded to a C2D MBP And it is is still faster then all the other systems I work with. When you realize that your old systems is too slow for your needs and you want to be a power user. Just say to yourself Ill get the next new version when it comes out.
Actually, I think about that everyday at work
Its amazing when you sit down and think about everything that has to happen in between you left clicking to remote into someone's desktop who is across the world and throw a file on there that will update a server, or a file, and report back to you in almost real time.
And people want more, how greedy
They have--it's announced for 2008. But it will be for thick-and-heavy brickbooks (you know the type) and might not therefore appear in a Mac laptop. Sounds perfect for an iMac, though.
Why can't Intel just release everything all at once?
Penryn is a 45nm chip, which means its smaller than the current Core 2 Duos and will likely run cooler and have better battery life, but will have basically the same architecture as a C2D. Still, a 3.33ghz Penryn Core 2 Duo with the 800 MT/s bus and max RAM (4 gig?) will be an awesome system.
If you're more or less happy with your system but planning on upgrading in six months to a year, then the Penryn Santa Rosa combo is worth waiting for IMO. It'll make last year's MBP look like your inbred cousin's busted Intellivision.
Penryn is a 45nm chip, which means its smaller than the current Core 2 Duos and will likely run cooler and have better battery life, but will have basically the same architecture as a C2D. Still, a 3.33ghz Penryn Core 2 Duo with the 800 MT/s bus and max RAM (4 gig?) will be an awesome system.
If you're more or less happy with your system but planning on upgrading in six months to a year, then the Penryn Santa Rosa combo is worth waiting for IMO. It'll make last year's MBP look like your inbred cousin's busted Intellivision.
So I guess I'm gonna wait for that version of the 8 core Mac Pro before I pull the trigger. My Quad G5 will still serve me well enough for the rest of 2007 if need be. I'd rather keep saving more money meanwhile than buy an 8 core now that hasn't got a lot of brains behind its brawn.
Amen brother!
well, I believe the 3.33GHz would be for desktop and would run on a 1.33GHz bus. It wouldn't be possible to have 3.33GHz on an 800MHz bus.