Intel's Penryn Xeon Processors Due in November

[Multimedia]

Santa Rosa Refresh and Montevina? What Does That Mean?

*face palm*

Santa Rosa Refresh and Montevina

I don't know what that means. I didn't mean to offend you.

Would you please elaborate?

 

[Eidorian]

I don't know what that means. I didn't mean to offend you.

Would you please elaborate?

The post that I was replying to was about notebooks and the iMac.

 

[Peace]

I'm assuming since the dye is 45nm the socket would be different?

 

[Alpinism]

i like the one 'negative' score, where a fanboy realizes that his itune & safari Mac Pro is going to be last generation soon

For the rest of us PRO USERS, ITS ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME !!!

 

[oscarfrancis]

I'm assuming since the dye is 45nm the socket would be different?

Not necessarily. I do believe the first generation of Penryn is pin-compatible with current Santa Rosa motherboards; don't quote me on that.

 

[Eidorian]

I'm assuming since the dye is 45nm the socket would be different?

Nope it's still Socket P, J, and T.

You just might not have the proper VRM to handle the chips though.

 

[peletrane]

I don't have a problem with that. We can only receive what is bleeding edge possible guys. I'll be happy to take 20-30% better performance @ 3.16GHz x 8 cores any time they're ready with the tech. Very exciting going into 2008 like gangbusters.

But didn't you just buy a refurbished MP?? What are you going to do with 2 MP sand 1 PM G5?. In other words, is there something that you can only run effectively with the 20-30% performance boost that you could not run effectively with the old models?

I have a quad 2.66 MP to run logic and aperture and I'm perfectly happy with it. It does what I need it do, and then some.

 

[Multimedia]

Crushing Video From Giant To Small Takes More Power Than Any Of These Can Do

But didn't you just buy a refurbished MP?? What are you going to do with 2 MP sand 1 PM G5?. In other words, is there something that you can only run effectively with the 20-30% performance boost that you could not run effectively with the old models?

I have a quad 2.66 MP to run logic and aperture and I'm perfectly happy with it. It does what I need it do, and then some.

I'm a power hog that would like to simultaneously crush HD recordings down to mp4 files faster than any of this stuff can do.

 

[peletrane]

I'm a power hog that would like to simultaneously crush HD recordings down to mp4 files faster than any of this stuff can do.

Interesting. So, do you have any recommendations/info as to Blu-Ray burners for the MP?? I'm holding out for one for the extra drive bay in my MP. When will these become more affordable/mainstream? I'm thinking primariily for the storage value--50 GB per blu-ray disk?? Bring it on!

 

[dollystereo]

I couldnt wait anymore, I got my MP 2.66 stock, yesterday (in Chile) So if the computers get updated in november, we will see them here in January.
What I really want is an optional 512 DDR3 really fast GPU (8800 or HD2900), as a upgrade for my MP (even a PC compatible with some flashing).

 

[iBunny]

I think they need to slow down their updates on the Mac Pro's. They are trying to keep the computer competitively matched in speed but they are killing the resale value with the shorter shelf life since the intel switch.

Some of you old die hard mac fans annoy me. Sorry.

Listen. They are finally updating as new technology comes out because they can. Intel is on regular intervals to release new chips.... Old Macs never got updated because IMB couldent release a chip to save its ass. Powerbook G5 anyone? never happened because they couldnt.

To Hell with the resale value. Buy a computer, use the computer, and then get a new one when you need it. Dont worry about how much you can sell it for.

____

Anyway on to Peryn. Its gonna be a good chip. Much improved over the current C2D implementation. More IPC, Large Cache, Should run cooler because of the smaller process, better at handleing multimedia, SSE4 support, and better virtulization tech. Even tho its only slightly faster in clock speed, its other improvements are where the money is going to be made.

I wish they would have waited for Peryn to introduce the new iMac. But oh well. The iMac is gonna be out of date already

 

[Silencio]

Now if only Apple could just get us some better video cards. Hopefully the GPU "downgrade" in the new iMac isn't a sign of things to come for the Mac Pro.

I guess hardware RAID built on to the logic board isn't going to happen now, what with Apple's recent rollout of their $1,000 RAID card -- which is probably just as junky as the one they sell for the Xserve. Sigh.

Whatever, I'm pretty sure I'm buying the next revision of Mac Pro -- whatever it is -- unless the price of Rev A refurbs drops to a way too tempting level, which would be a bit of history repeating with how I ended up getting my current G5 tower.

 

[hollywoodmacguy]

any chance for penryns will be included in MBPs this year?

TheRegister.co.uk reports that the first Intel Penryn chips will be formally launched on November 11th. The report apparently comes from Intel's own website for dealers.

The first of the Penryn processors will be Xeon CPUs and come in 2.00GHz, 2.33GHz, 2.50GHz, 2.66GHz, 2.83GHz, 3.00GHz and 3.16GHz speeds with 1333MHz frontside buses. The 45nm chips are expected to be Quad-Core chips with 12MB of L2 cache.

The current Mac Pros offer Quad-Core configurations of 2.0GHz, 2.66GHz, and 3.0GHz (65nm, 4MB L2 Cache per Processor) and a 8-Core configuration at 3.0GHz (65nm, 8MB L2 Cache per Processor).

Article Link

I realize that the primary implication of this news, at least at first, is for the Mac Pros. Anyone think there's any chance Penryn chips will be shipped in MBPs this year?

Was waiting to finally upgrade my Titanium PowerBook G4 to a MBP as soon as Leopard ships in October/November, but, if there's going to be a chip change, I'd wait a little longer...

Thanks in advance for any advice...

 

[~Shard~]

I realize that the primary implication of this news, at least at first, is for the Mac Pros. Anyone think there's any chance Penryn chips will be shipped in MBPs this year?

Was waiting to finally upgrade my Titanium PowerBook G4 to a MBP as soon as Leopard ships in October/November, but, if there's going to be a chip change, I'd wait a little longer...

Well, it looks like this first batch from Intel will be Xeon chips, so it's doubtful they would make it into the MBP - you'd have to wait for the mobile version for the portables, I'm thinking. I'd love to see these babies in the iMac as well.

 

[tk421]

All signs point to Tuesday November 13. God knows I've been plenty wrong before. But there's always hope.

Oh, I hope so! I need a Mac Pro (not an iMac) and I will definitely buy one by the end of 2007. The point at which I 100% have to have it is December.

I've held out long enough to get an iLife upgrade. October will bring the new OS. Please, please upgrade the Mac Pro in November!

 

[Iced Angel]

do you guys think it's likely to put this in macbook pros in near future ?

 

[Eidorian]

do you guys think it's likely to put this in macbook pros in near future ?

More then likely not until MWSF 2008.

 

[KindredMAC]

OK someone set me straight on this, hopefully multimedia (because I trust him after all our years on here), are these new chips QUAD CORE chips or are they DUAL CORE CHIPS in a two chip config?

Because if they are QUAD CORE chips, this would be freaking outrageous to have a single chip in a low end Mac Pro and fill the remaining higher end slots as all OCTO CORE Mac Pro!

Another quick question, at 45nm are these chips low enough power to be able to make their way into a laptop???
Then we could have all OCTO CORE Mac Pros and bump everything up to QUAD COREs except the Mac mini (if that is even around after 1/1/2008) and MacBook. That would make a nice gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro. One of my friends here at work is debating between the the two and something like that would definitely make or break the deal.

 

[digitalbiker]

I believe that was meant with extreme sarcasm.

All signs point to Tuesday November 13. God knows I've been plenty wrong before. But there's always hope.

I think you are being a bit optimistic. I doubt the MacPro will get a major update until MW2008. By that time all the pieces will be in place for a complete redesign. New GPU's, new MB, new Processors, Blu-Ray, etc.

Besides, I have the MacPro Octo and it is already too much hardware for the software. Really these babies need Leopard and re-written 64 bit multi-threaded software to make the most of the system.

The current Octo is amazing for virtualization. I run multiple VM's of Linux, Vista, XP along with OS X using workstation class scientific software and the Octo doesn't even kick on the fans.

 

[baz-ireland]

Penryn Processors for new iMac?

Hi guys,

New to your forum. Just wanted to know if these new processors are gonna be available for iMacs? I am waiting to buy a new 24 inch 2.8ghz iMac, probably within the next month or two, would it be wise to wait to November for the new processors are will these be geared towards the Mac Pro only?

I keep a close eye on this site as a great way of keeping up to date on all things Apple related. I know Apple always release new gear all the time and to try to keep up to date with it would be impossible, should I just go ahead and buy the iMac with the Core 2 Duo Extreme chips in them?

I know this is a different topic but what about the GLARE issue on these new iMacs, something to worry about? I have a MacBook with a glossy screen and find no issue with glare from the screen.

Many thanks,
Baz, Ireland, Europe.

 

[Iced Angel]

More then likely not until MWSF 2008.

i wanted to get one tomorrow before I read this ...
But i can't wait no more ... no time to waste till 2008 Thanx

 

[Eidorian]

Hi guys,

New to your forum. Just wanted to know if these new processors are gonna be available for iMacs? I am waiting to buy a new 24 inch 2.8ghz iMac, probably within the next month or two, would it be wise to wait to November for the new processors are will these be geared towards the Mac Pro only?

I keep a close eye on this site as a great way of keeping up to date on all things Apple related. I know Apple always release new gear all the time and to try to keep up to date with it would be impossible, should I just go ahead and buy the iMac with the Core 2 Duo Extreme chips in them?

I know this is a different topic but what about the GLARE issue on these new iMacs, something to worry about? I have a MacBook with a glossy screen and find no issue with glare from the screen.

Many thanks,
Baz, Ireland, Europe.

The first Penryn processors to come out are going to be Xeon ones. Expect mobile and desktop ones next year.

OK someone set me straight on this, hopefully multimedia (because I trust him after all our years on here), are these new chips QUAD CORE chips or are they DUAL CORE CHIPS in a two chip config?

Because if they are QUAD CORE chips, this would be freaking outrageous to have a single chip in a low end Mac Pro and fill the remaining higher end slots as all OCTO CORE Mac Pro!

Another quick question, at 45nm are these chips low enough power to be able to make their way into a laptop???
Then we could have all OCTO CORE Mac Pros and bump everything up to QUAD COREs except the Mac mini (if that is even around after 1/1/2008) and MacBook. That would make a nice gap between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro. One of my friends here at work is debating between the the two and something like that would definitely make or break the deal.

Wolfdale is dual core Penryn Xeon while Harpertown would be quad core (Two Wolfdales on one chip)

I expect to see mobile quad core chips next year for desktop replacement laptops (MBP 17" but not in any smaller laptops.

 

[~Shard~]

Hi guys, New to your forum.

Welcome! I hope you find it an informative and fun place!

Just wanted to know if these new processors are gonna be available for iMacs? I am waiting to buy a new 24 inch 2.8ghz iMac, probably within the next month or two, would it be wise to wait to November for the new processors are will these be geared towards the Mac Pro only?

In all likelihood these processors will be geared towards the Mac Pros since they are the Xeon class of chips. Xeons never make it into Apple's portable line-up (MBs, MBPs) and further to this, Apple utilizes mobile chips in their iMacs as well - for instance, Apple went with Merom instead of Conroe in the iMacs.

Also, with the iMacs just being updated, Apple would not release another significant update to them so soon, at least in my opinion. They kind of did this once with the last G5 iMac being released only a short time before the first Intel iMac, but that was a unique situation due to the architecture migration.

Lastly, even if Intel is releasing these in November, they may not show up in any Mac machine that quickly, so I wouldn't bet on that either. I would expect a significant Mac Pro update at MWSF 08 utilizing Penryn, but doubt we'll see anything beforehand. Just my opinion though.

I know this is a different topic but what about the GLARE issue on these new iMacs, something to worry about? I have a MacBook with a glossy screen and find no issue with glare from the screen.

If you find no issues with the glossy MBs then you shouldn't with the iMac either.

 

[Stridder44]

But didn't you just buy a refurbished MP?? What are you going to do with 2 MP sand 1 PM G5?. In other words, is there something that you can only run effectively with the 20-30% performance boost that you could not run effectively with the old models?

I have a quad 2.66 MP to run logic and aperture and I'm perfectly happy with it. It does what I need it do, and then some.

Yeah! What the crap do you guys do to buy new Mac Pros everytime they're released? Sell the old machines? Steal from the rich and give high interest rates to the poor? I'm still stuck on this old iMac G4 that makes children cry with it's slowness. XD

Granted I am a college kid living on a college wage, but damn.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

I think they need to slow down their updates on the Mac Pro's. They are trying to keep the computer competitively matched in speed but they are killing the resale value with the shorter shelf life since the intel switch.

Who cares about YOUR resale value. Apple is about supporting buyers, not sellers where they make nothing. What can I get for this dual-G4 PowerMac? Nothing. It's worth more to use it as an Internet machine and server here. Yet can I get a cheap graphics card to replace the Rage 128 it came with? NO WAY. Ancient Radeon 7500s go for more than I paid for my Radeon 7500 for my Windows machine many years ago brand NEW when it was still considered a good card! At least $150 for an OUTDATED Mac Radeon 7500 in 2007! Yet the entire machine is worth less than $250 on the personal sale market (stores will gladly sell you one for $400 though).


Some of us want an actual gaming machine. I want a better graphics card, the Penryn chipset and a LOWER starting price for the Mac Pro (since Apple refuses to do a mid-range gaming capable machine)