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Intel's Processor Roadmap Leaves Uncertainty for Apple's 2014 Mac Updates
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Are you really that out of touch. I can print to an HP at work anytime I want to. It is just a matter of modern hardware.
Apple consumers are sad, just sad. Consumers should smile big each year rather than demand more and more and more and more when they don't even plan to buy that more and more and more. Talking heads.
The truth is that Apple is delivering amazing technology each year at a steady, consistent pace. They are leaders in many areas, with competitors trying to keep up with them. That can't be ignored. Specs are one thing, but the end-user experience is something entirely different and that can not be compromised at any cost.
Michael Goff
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"You can print, as long as you buy a newer printer. Or you can get a laptop that can print from practically any printer."
Yeah, you're making a great case there.
Learn something - AirPrint
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4356
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I'm not sure which side you're on, but Apple also sells the best laptops that money can buy. What is this argument really about? Whether a tablet, phone or laptop, Apple still has the best option for your money. Sounds like a win to me.
Michael Goff
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And if you don't have an Airplay printer?
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I'm trying to point out that tablets can't do everything right now. The guy I quoted seems to be arguing that his iPad can do anything. Heck, he said his iPad is a better content creator than a laptop or a desktop.
goobot
macrumors 604
Either it is being relayed to a computer to a printer or the printer is newer and has its own drivers which means the printer is doing all the work like a computer. Also you can't do it via a wire.
Piggie
macrumors G3
I think the trouble is, Apple are coming like a old dependable person,
Yes, you can trust them, they are good, reliable, quality is great.
And like an old person, don't break the rules else they won't be happy.
All good.
But, with Apple there is the lack, more and more now of the brash, young care free, exciting, let's try this, wow, it didn't quite come off this time, but we will correct them for next time, cutting edge experimenting etc etc.....
If Anything it's Samsung and Google that are the kids on the block, trying things, offering things, some people like some people hate, but they are trying.
Apple is more and more becoming just lumbering, slow and safe.
The spark has gone, and I don't look at Tim Cook and think WOW young, dynamic, exciting.... Slow and pondering seems to be more the mark.
then when they do come out with something, it probably won't work with anything other than their own brand of items, so you can either choose to run that, or run a more open piece of software that allows to you talk and deal with all your friends/clients.
They just seem too smug and lazy now as they seem to feel they can do anything now and just don't have to try too hard anymore,
It wouldn't be an iPad with a built in keyboard. If it is running Mac OS it is a Mac, there is no need to run away until you see the machine.
Personally I don't see Apple doing this exactly as it would confuse the market. Rather I see them offering a different non Mac product that delivers much of the capability of Mac OS while running the current inventory if iPad apps without a hitch. This way Mac OS is left unmolested and heavy iPad users get an option to run multiple apps at the same time.
The real question is this, do they market it as an iOS device or as a new product line? Knowing Apple it will likely be marketed as a iOS device.
goobot
macrumors 604
Oh please, my car is a transportation device yet it has a stereo system in it, am i going to DJ at a Bar Mitzvah with it? No because it is a transportation device with some minor other features. The iPad is a consumption device with minor content creation abilities. It doesn't change the fact that it is a consumption device.
bigpics
macrumors 6502
There's something I feel Apple's missing - pretty much across its product line. They offer 1) premium build quality - 2) some state of the art stuff (e.g., TB, Touch ID, but also keeping a good amount of old tech - e.g., no USB 3) - 3) market disruption/redefinition (e.g.,first with a great smart phone, first great tablet and earlier redefining the music player market, etc.) - and 4) those Iveian ergonomics and design-uber-alles aesthetic (that I personally feel are getting out of control with Jobs gone and Tim not a visionary, so only arguably an advantage at this point). And these (with the caveats noted) have been a large part of their key to resurrection and great success.
I feel, though, they're missing out on responding to the fact that what others are building is now 1) often good, reliable and durable enough - and really quite good - 2) other companies are offering many small or larger useful innovations they don't, 3) the closed ecosystem is becoming a marketing problem given their minority status in most markets - and 4) Offering only the relatively small Jobs/Ives-annointed screen size on the iPhone is a piece of "we don't have to worry about what others are doing well with" hubris that I feel has cost them dearly.
That is, I love my Mac and plan to get a late 2014 iPad, but I bought a Moto X - 32GB for $400 off contract/unlocked, gorgeous, feels better in my hand than a 5S and compact enough/nice enough screen. (Even if the camera's notably inferior and my main can't-have-it-all regret. But I did get gadget lust when I was checking out the Lumia Icon this week - great ergos and great cam, tho' hardly cheap.)
Additionally, I feel this "We're Apple, dammit" attitude is also behind the leisurely roll-out pace on things like the Mini, Apple TV, monitors, etc. - when the tech needed to update's there - and is also chafing many fans and potential new customer as noted in the post quoted.
And from what I read, there have been more software issues in recent releases like Mavericks and iOS 7 than in most releases before them.
Meanwhile, the only "disruptive" new piece of hardware since the iPad is the (really cool) Mac Pro (which will not sell in anything like the volumes their success depends on). So Phil Schiller can innovate his ass, and it's a strategic product, yes, but not what will lift the company to new heights in the short to medium term.
It's time (IMO) for a general re-thinking of their overall strategy in the current tech world, with a greater sense of urgency on many fronts. There's tons and tons of talent and creativity in the company ranks, but really, it's time for a new "wow" consumer-level device to show they still have the knack.
Because it's that rep that creates a halo effect drawing the public into the "Apple way."
E.g., many of us are cross-platform, and if we're not many of our friends and colleagues are. So I'm not gonna export a save of every iLife document, when EVERYONE I know can open Office formats (or PDF's they - and I - can't readily edit). So I work in (ick, but ubiquitous) Office. I also don't bother with in-the-cloud productivity programs - unless collaboration's required - and neither do most I know, so no, an Apple cloud solution's nowhere a universal answer either.
I don't know the phone brands my friends use, so FaceTime doesn't cut it as a universal calling solution either (I don't have an iPhone, so I could be wrong about this, but don't think so).
Meanwhile, Google Play Music just uploaded 20GB of music for me - for free (yeah, yeah, I do fear the GOOGplex, but hey, between it and the NSA there is no privacy and I'm good at ignoring ads, and it's not $25) - and it works across all the devices I and others use (in various browser and including apps for iOS devices).
Etc......
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I agree that Intel is clueless and that their processors suck but you are off base with your other comments. AMD has a good processor in Kaveri and if they increase the memory bandwidth a bit it would deliver world class iGPU performance. The AMD CPUs are lagging a bit but for many users that isn't a problem, performance is all about special execution units these days.
As for ARM they are more than ready. Apples A7 clearly demonstrates this. If you don't buy that look at AMDs new server based chips. ARM in its 64 bit form is very impressive considering the low power.
Maybe in part but that is a small part. Intel has been two or three process nodes ahead of the completion for years, that is a huge advantage!
Sure it is. Intel is laying off people and holding back new product releases because they have been hit real hard by the decline of the Windows PC. Consumer demand for Windows is not likely to ever come back, so things are changing real fast at Intel.
Intel won't be the only ones trying to run 14nm in 2015.
Designing them is part of making them. You can't design a processor without some idea of what process you are targeting.
Which again is the feature size. If Intel and Apple both end up shipping 14nm processors in 2015 then Intels process advantage has evaporated. Frankly Intel reminds me of Kodak right now in that they apparently can't see the writing on the wall. I mention Kodak because their big vacant industrial park is just a drive across town. In a nut shell Intel needs to pull head from the sand and look around with open eyes.
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That may be your biggest complaint, the reality is there was plenty of issues with the platform.
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Did you mis the word new there? A chip that only offers a 100MHz clock rate increase over the old model is worth a damn. It certainly isn't worth waiting for. Now if they have additional features of value that might change the equation. For example DDR4 support would be fantastic.
Let's face it if Apple, AMD or whom ever released "refreshed" parts with this little in the way of improvements the media would be all over them. So why give Intel a free ride. The effectively missed launch if this report is true. When AMD is late with a new product it is doom and gloom yet when Intel screws up it is Apples fault. Does this make any sense. Intel effectively has put new Broadwell based hardware into next year if this report is valid.
Hell a Mac can't do everything. The point I was making is that you can print to a printer from an iPad if you want. You don't even need a network.
As for content creation I never said it was a better content creator for every task but at time a better content creator for some tasks. Think of it as a different dirt of hammer you can drive railroad spikes with a tack hammer if you want but a sledge is a better choice. You grab an iPad for content creation when it is a better device. This is really simple to understand really.
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So I can print from an iPad then?
By the way if you have a postscript printer and you send a file to it the printer is pretty much doing all the work of rendering that page! So tell me how this is significantly different than what the iPad does.
As to a wire, who would want to do that with a handheld device?
StyxMaker
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If that is true it is just further evidence that Intel has lost it. Intel should be pushing real hard for DDR4 or one of the alternatives, because it is exactly what the integrated GPUs need.
Intel only really cares about poaching the low end DGPU space. Now that they've done so there's not much incentive for them to push hard.
Michael Goff
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The A7 is nowhere near Haswell. Seriously. Intel is ahead of ARM.
What type of content creation of best served with an iPad.
StyxMaker
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You actually seem to be arguing that iPads can't do anything. You are right, iPads can't do everything, but that doesn't mean they are not computers. My iMac can't do everything either. How much the device does is not the measure of whether or not it is a computer.
The first computer I owned was built by NEC it had 16 Kilobytes of memory (after I purchased the 8 Kilobyte add on), and only storage it could take advantage of was a built in miniature cassette tape drive. It could only print to a miniature dot matrix printer on a roll of adding machine paper. the display was only 26 characters by eight lines. But it could be carried around easily and I built by first computer personal calendar on it. Used it for quite a while to keep track of my appointments.
It was defanitly a computer.
Michael Goff
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I know it is a computer, but YOU should use it for what it is best for. And I am arguing against a person who was saying that it is better at content creation, or some forms of it, than a laptop or desktop.
StyxMaker
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And I'm saying the type of content I produce is written content and, much like a camera, the best device to do the work is the one I have with me. I create this content using, at various times, an iMac, an iPad, and even an iPhone depending on the situation.
I will decide what is the best use of my devices, not you.
Wasn't the 780M just a rebranded 680MX? That means the 880M is a 680MX with 4 x the RAM and an ever so slightly higher clock?
I really dislike the whole rebranding thing. It's confusing for many people. I personally feel that if they change the first number of the GPU, then it should be a new model, not a rebrand.
tom vilsack
macrumors 68000
Dear Tim Cook: Why are you allowing your companies fortunes to be dictated by waiting on Intel? Why don't you take some of that 100 billion that your company has in cash and buy AMD.Then hire the best of the best and make the best cpu's in the world! Please don't become another Microsoft and sit back afraid to make a mistake! Take a chance Tim,and let Apple control the cpu market!
iRun26.2
macrumors 68020
If it isn't an x86 machine I will be gone. My work requires that I run several software packages in BootCamp. Without that compatibility, I am forced back into buying a PC.
If it uses an ARM processor, it is not a MAC.