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Intel's Silverthorne Ultra-Mobile Proecessor Now Called 'Atom'

Consumes too much power for the iphone or ipod touch and doesn't have enough power for the MBA ... "a new class of internet capable devices"?

Besides a tablet, please list what these might be. Thank you in advance.
 
sleepingworker said:
Consumes too much power for the iphone or ipod touch and doesn't have enough power for the MBA ... "a new class of internet capable devices"?

Besides a tablet, please list what these might be. Thank you in advance.
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Just list all the failed devices under the UMPC banner.:)

Although it could be overkill still.
Maybe embeded processor for fridge with internet.
Or a car head unit, in-flight entertainment system.
or AppleTV type media centres.

Well and the millions of PointOfSales Systems
and other thin kiosk terminals for various uses.
 
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Intel Atom in Apple iPhone. Has a nice ring to it. Is it at all possible that higher capacity batteries could be used in the new iPhone? I read on Engadget about every week about a new, super cool kind of battery. Nanotech, hydrogen fuel cells, etc. Anyone have any ideas?? Perhaps they know something we don't. I could have sworn Intel had a prototype iPhone look-alike using the chip, but with a larger screen? Must use some crazy battery. Probably wouldn't see this until the 3rd generation iPhone though. Remember how clunky the first iPods were? We'll be saying the same thing about the iPhone in 5 years. Its so slow!!
 
retroneo said:
The iPhones current processor can be clocked over 50% higher - (It's a 624MHz processor that is underclocked to 412MHz). It gives good performance at 412MHz, and great battery life.
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So what do you think Apple is likely to do with iPhone 2.0??? Clock up the processor a little more and save power other ways to make up for it and maybe add more RAM???

Have the advances in the tech and or new chips, batteries etc. been brought to the point where Apple could clock up the processor, add RAM, 3G, and GPS (switched off except when in use) while still keeping battery life comparable or better?
 
So....

A dual core iPhone with awesome battery life that runs ace Mac-like apps and has 3G??? WOAH!!!!!!!!!! ME WANT!!

Xmas 08.... £350-£399..... sweet :)

Santa, are u listenin biatch? :p
 
macduke said:
Intel Atom in Apple iPhone. Has a nice ring to it. Is it at all possible that higher capacity batteries could be used in the new iPhone?
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IMO, no. First of all, it would run too hot. Second, instead of increasing the CPU-power by massive amounts, how about increasing the battery-life? If battery-makers came up with a tiny battery that would fit in an iPhone and could power Silverthorne + other electronics around it for a respectable amount of time (about as long as current iPhone runs), wouldn't it make more sense to keep on using the current ultra low-power Arm with that new battery? You could get twice (or more) the battery-life from the new phone.

Remember: we are talking about mobile device. We are talking about device that spends about 95% of it's life NOT connected to powersource. The bottleneck is the battery, not the CPU. There's not much point to radically try to increase CPU-power. Few tens of % here and there, sure. And they could do that while increasing the battery-life. But increasing the CPU-power by factor of 5, while taking a slight hit to battery-life (thanks to those ultra-advanced batteries, otherwise the batterylife would be cut by more than 50%) makes no sense at all.

Why do you people want this CPU in the iPhone? Do you feel that the current CPU is somehow underpowered or something?
 
MacFly123 said:
So what do you think Apple is likely to do with iPhone 2.0??? Clock up the processor a little more and save power other ways to make up for it and maybe add more RAM???

Have the advances in the tech and or new chips, batteries etc. been brought to the point where Apple could clock up the processor, add RAM, 3G, and GPS (switched off except when in use) while still keeping battery life comparable or better?
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ARM chips aren't standing still.
Indeed they develop in similar patterns to Intel chips
So the next iPhone can use the next gen. of ARM which run faster for the same power use and heat, or do the same amount of work at lower power and heat.
The next iPhone will have more grunt when needed and still should have longer battery life with same use.
 
What about iPhone Pro? More CPU, RAM and a mini keyboard. I would buy one :)
 
retroneo said:
Dudes this is not for an iPhone.

The typical power consumption for Silverthorne "Atom" processor WITH its Poulsbo chipset is around 10x higher than the iPhones!

The Samsung S3C6400 has a max of 279 milliwatts (the iPhone's uses even less than this as it is quite underclocked) and that includes the companion chipset, graphics etc, and uses next to nothing when idle.
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QFT. Mainly because people are still thinking that Atom will be in the next iPhone, or even the 2009 iPhone. No, it won't. Even a 32nm Atom will be too power hungry, and that's 2010. When Intel get a chip that does x86, chipset and graphics totalling under 0.5W, in under one square inch of board space, we can start talking.
 
BenRoethig said:
Add the atom and the Nvidia's APX2500 and you've got quite the mobile platform.
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nVidia's APX2500 already includes a CPU - an ARM11 like the iPhone's Samsung chip. To be honest, an AppleTV based around an APX2500 sounds like a better idea than an AppleTV based around Atom + supporting chips (although it is the latter that will come out later this year (or early 2009) I imagine).
 
Hattig said:
QFT. Mainly because people are still thinking that Atom will be in the next iPhone, or even the 2009 iPhone. No, it won't. Even a 32nm Atom will be too power hungry, and that's 2010. When Intel get a chip that does x86, chipset and graphics totalling under 0.5W, in under one square inch of board space, we can start talking.
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They can't even manage to get 3G in the iPhone :rolleyes:
 
Of all the products in Apple's lineup at the moment, the far and away most logical destination for Silverthorne is AppleTV. That's about it. But that doesn't mean that Apple couldn't come up with new products that use this CPU. a tiny subnotebook, half the size of the Air could be one contender.
 
RedDragon870503 said:
Call it whatever, I want it in an iPhone!
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Why?

Or the complete question: Why on earth would you want a battery eating monster in the iPhone, which is running quite nicely with two ARM chips that use almost no power at all? For low power applications like the iPhone, Intel is nowhere near the target.
 
cschulz said:
The iPhone CPU only currently runs at about 412 mhz, but I've read that it's capable of up to 620 mhz. Apple has the firmware underclock it to preserve battery life. So in all honesty, the CPU is only running at 66% capacity.
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If ARM wanted their CPUs to run at 2 GHz, that would be no problem. Except that laws of physics are ugly: Double clock frequency means four times as much power consumption. Nobody wants an ARM chip at 620 MHz! So what Apple would probably prefer to do is to replace two ARM chips running at 412 MHz (if that is what they are running at) with four chips running at 206 MHz, which gives you the same number of instructions per cycle at half the power consumption. Takes a bit of effort to make applications more multithreaded though.
 
MacRumors said:
Formerly known as Silverthorne, the new family of low-power processors are specifically designed for mobile internet devices (MIDs).'Atom' offers very low-power consumption (0.6-2.5 watt)
Intel envisions the use of these processors to introduce a new class of internet capable devices.

placed 'Atom' processors in upcoming mobile devices from Apple -- either the rumored Apple tablet or the next generation iPhone.
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Last I heard these drew 0.5W constantly, and couldn't really power down so well. It'll have a tough time getting into an iPhone this year. Maybe next year, but Infineon, ARM etc have the market at the moment.
 
Apple, please build the Intel Atom chip into the iPhone and iPod touch, or better make something like this

OQO model e2
http://www.oqo.com

but with full Mac OS X 10.5.2 inside and here is a corporate order of thousands for our University. The ultimate handheld computer. The ultimate presentation remote for NATIVE Keynote and PowerPoint presentations. Both wired and wireless.
 
BenRoethig said:
Add the atom and the Nvidia's APX2500 and you've got quite the mobile platform.
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This would make a great processor for the after-next iPhone. (The one in late 2009) It give a dramatic boost in graphics performance (can ENCODE and decode 720p HD video in a similar power envelope as today's processor.

It can run up to 750MHz, and apple can underclock it to give even better battery life.

The APX2500 is destined for phones in late 2009. It is compatible with today's iPhone OS and applications. Of course I'm sure Samsung (the current vendor) won't stay still either and Apple may stick with them.
 
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