Intel's Skylake Chips Will Drive Three 4K Monitors at 60Hz

HobeSoundDarryl said:
All this focus on 4K (or better) in impending hardware, phones (but not iPhones yet) shooting video at 4K, 4K camcorders dropping in price, 4K TVs dropping in price and increasingly overtaking prime real estate at TV-selling stores, H.265 seemingly impending, etc.

Then, visit any :apple:TV 4 speculation thread and find it packed with some of us putting down 4K as a "gimmick", "nobody can see a difference from average seating distances", and on and on. Nutshell sentiment: "1080p is good enough" just as "720p was good enough" when Apple continued to cling to that as maximum HD (and thus 1080p was the "gimmick", "nobody can see", etc).

Glad to see lots of stock hardware bringing the capability to the masses. Wonder if 4K will still be "gimmick" and "nobody can see" when Apple gets around to implementing it in Apple hardware? Rhetorical: I already know as I saw how quickly the "720p is good enough" argument evaporated as soon as Apple embraced 1080p. Rinse. Repeat.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...if you walk into a Best Buy, look at a top-spec 60" 1080p LCD and even a low-end 4k 60" LCD and can't see the difference, and aren't immediately disgusted with the blockiness of 1080p at that screen size...you really do need your eyes checked. The difference is massive.
 
rekhyt said:
I think it's Skylake that's the significant update that will bring a redesigned MacBook Pro...

Better integrated graphics, better battery life, more efficient processing, and most importantly, Thunderbolt 3...
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indeed.

As opposed to Cannonlake, which probably won't be as big of a jump as Skylake is.
 
rekhyt said:
I think it's Skylake that's the significant update that will bring a redesigned MacBook Pro...

Better integrated graphics, better battery life, more efficient processing, and most importantly, Thunderbolt 3...
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Cannonlake's die shrink and significant power savings will allow for a redesign.
 
Derived said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again...if you walk into a Best Buy, look at a top-spec 60" 1080p LCD and even a low-end 4k 60" LCD and can't see the difference, and aren't immediately disgusted with the blockiness of 1080p at that screen size...you really do need your eyes checked. The difference is massive.
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Given an appropriate viewing angle (screensize/distance) the difference is obvious. The real difference is that some people don't care about the tableaux and only care about the talking heads.
 
RickInHouston said:
I don't think so. Chip ships about now. Even if you have the specs - doesn't a new motherboard need to be fabricated? New shell to fit it all? I think we won't see new laptops with Skylake until March 2016 at the earliest? Maybe even May / June 2016?
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Lol, Apple doesn't get new Intel chips the same time we do...engineering samples went out a while ago.
 
Abazigal said:
You are confusing 4k screens with 4k video.

4k is currently still a gimmick with regards to video quality. Linustechtips recently did a study on this on youtube, and concluded that there was virtually negligible difference between native 4k video, and 1080p video upscaled to 4k when shot from a phone.

People want a 4k display not so much to watch 4k content, but more so that they can work on 1080p video while still having enough room for controls and other apps open side by side.
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Seriously? You're using YouTube as your standard for 4k? That's like saying 1080p is garbage because of, well, YouTube...
 
another 1st world problem, my 2008 MBP 10.1 died on me 6 months ago, and I'm sick now of working on a Dell...
I was about to drop AUD $3750 on that new 15' retina with the beefed up CPU...

we are going to NZ in December and I would like to have my workhorse by then...

You guys think the next update for the Retina MBP will be out by then ?


whywouldibescooby
 
whywouldibescooby said:
another 1st world problem, my 2008 MBP 10.1 died on me 6 months ago, and I'm sick now of working on a Dell...
I was about to drop AUD $3750 on that new 15' retina with the beefed up CPU...

we are going to NZ in December and I would like to have my workhorse by then...

You guys think the next update for the Retina MBP will be out by then ?
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I'm rather puzzled by this whole Skylake thing. Except for the 4K/HDMI 2.0 aspect, up to this point, it is hardly an improvement over Haswell. If you don't want/need 4K, maybe you can find a good refurbished 2013 MBP with a 512 GB SSD.
 
toke lahti said:
They have never used two physically identical ports that have different usage and the difference is shown to user by symbols.
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Apple has never made a laptop with 1 port before. The point is that no one really knows and the symbol is an option.
 
well, I do a lot of work with Lightroom/After effects on a Dell Precision T3600 what actually works fine and flawless, but I also travel at least 3 times a year where I would like to have a powerful companion. I had two MacBook Pro's before and I always tend to use them until they fall apart (5-6 year cycle).

The battery life is the most important thing with a combination of a high res. screen and rendering power.
I think the wait for the 14nm Skylake upgrade makes sense.

36MP raw files are resource hungry, and having 1000's of them doesn't help, see thumbnail :)

I need a minimum of 500GB SSD internally. So it will be the MBP 15' with the CPU upgrade, it's just that my fingers are twitching and I'm ready to spend that money ASAP, but it just seems to me that the next refresh will be a bigger one than just the little refresh from a few months ago.
And as long as it hits the store around late November early December I'm down to business...

as I said, 1st world problem...

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whywouldibescooby
 
I'm curious who really uses thunderbolt on a large scale.

I have a Thunderbolt Display at work since it was provided.

At home I have a thunderbolt to Ethernet and thunderbolt to hdmi.

Thunderbolt hard drive is still not worth to me for price.
 
whywouldibescooby said:
You guys think the next update for the Retina MBP will be out by then ?
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15" MBPs have a history of 10 years. They have been updated twice in a same year many times:
  • 2006, but the first model might have been in design way longer than regular roundtrip
  • 2008 "unibody" redesign
  • 2011 TB1 introduction
  • 2013 TB2 & Haswell, I'm not sure if TB2 was a main reason for this quick update?
Average from https://buyersguide.macrumors.com// for MBP is 261 days and 214 for rMBP.

The main question you should ask yourself is, are those possible upgrades in new model very significant to you?
Is there anything else significant coming than TB3/usbC?
If external displays are important can there be any difference between current and next model; TB2 = dp1.2 and TB3 = dp1.2? Maybe next model has 3-4 usbC ports compared to 2 TB ports in current model?
 
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whywouldibescooby said:
well, I do a lot of work with Lightroom/After effects on a Dell Precision T3600 what actually works fine and flawless, but I also travel at least 3 times a year where I would like to have a powerful companion. I had two MacBook Pro's before and I always tend to use them until they fall apart (5-6 year cycle).

The battery life is the most important thing with a combination of a high res. screen and rendering power.
I think the wait for the 14nm Skylake upgrade makes sense.
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The 2013 MBP is still pretty good in that respect.

I need a minimum of 500GB SSD internally.
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I'm a little frustrated myself, because I like the old designs (e.g. unibody) better, I like hi-res/Retina/etc., but, I also like 16 GB memory + SSD. If I don't upgrade soon, the only options left may be some idiotic 1- or even 0-port design.

OneMike said:
I'm curious who really uses thunderbolt on a large scale.

I have a Thunderbolt Display at work since it was provided.

At home I have a thunderbolt to Ethernet and thunderbolt to hdmi.

Thunderbolt hard drive is still not worth to me for price.
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You are exactly the same as the rest of us. I would like to try out a TB docking station, but, it seems like nobody is very excited about the current ones out there.

toke lahti said:
The main question you should ask yourself, is are those possible upgrades in new model very significant to you?
Is there anything else significant coming than TB3/usbC?
If external displays are important can there be any difference between current and next model; TB2 = dp1.2 and TB3 = dp1.2? Maybe next model has 3-4 usbC ports compared to 2 TB ports in current model?
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As above, I love the increasing memory and SSD capacity and (gradual) drop in prices, but, I'm frustrated by most of the other design trends.
 
OneMike said:
I'm curious who really uses thunderbolt on a large scale.

I have a Thunderbolt Display at work since it was provided.

At home I have a thunderbolt to Ethernet and thunderbolt to hdmi.

Thunderbolt hard drive is still not worth to me for price.
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Not sure what is considered a large scale, but I use thunderbolt with my 2011 iMac. I have a few of the Seagate Desktop adapters. One of them is for an SSD boot and the others are for more space. I also have an Elgato thunderbolt dock which gives me USB 3 ports and a quick way to attach my MBP and use the iMac for a monitor. It also has HDMI out, so I have it connected to a second monitor, as well.

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Personally, I prefer the Seagate Desktop adapters because they will be easy to update as SSDs get cheaper. Of course, there will be a trade off in speed as thunderbolt matures, but they will still be plenty fast for extra storage. The things are versatile because of the SATA connector. Below is a Frankenstein setup I have on one of the units with an m.2 and an adapter.

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I am mainly interested in Skylake for the ability to run multiple 4k monitors via USB-C, but it will be nice if I can connect the second port ( assuming there is one) to the Elgato to have quick access to the SSDs.
 
MikeMac2 said:
Can USB-C + 2x HDMI support 2x 4k monitors with picture-in-picture? Would be amazing if it did.

Looking to pick up a new macbook with USB-C and 2x a U28590d - http://4k.com/monitor/ or a new version.
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I'm not sure if you just want to hook more "work" monitors up to your macbook, or, if you are thinking of 4K commercial video content, in which I think you want HDMI 2.0a + HDCP 2.2. AFAIK, the only GPU that supports that are the latest expensive Nvidia GPUs. I would love to be corrected about this.

https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/845270/geforce-900-series/gpus-with-hdcp-2-2-support/3/
 
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