Because you want to be the case in your mind? I have only ever heard of the 13" MBA being their best-selling laptop (and Mac).
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Where the heck did you get the for that remote from? Mine went with my 2006 MBP when I sold that in 2009.
My 2006 MBP shipped with one. My 2010 MBP would still support it, but my 2014 rMBP wouldn't.
And Sata 3 speeds are almost more then enough for a lot of situations. Not to mention the ability to put two drives in. Not sure where the 4 times speed is from. The 2015 13 inch Retina Macbook I replaced with this cMBP gets about double that speed, not quadruple.
You also miss out being able to expand the ram which is also important.
Being able to expand the cMBP gives you a lot of flexibility and at a much lower cost than Apple's prices. I looked into getting a rMBP with 1 TB SSD and 16GB of ram, but it would have cost $1300 ish more than what I paid, and that is lot of money. Not to mention I knew how expensive it would be when the battery dies on the rMBP to replace, or if pretty much anything else went wrong.
One of the most useful Macbook Pro design features, not having to turn the laptop on to find out what battery charge you have.
Not sure where you've got this information from. My 2012 Macbook Pro works with my Apple remote, I use it every night to control my mac from the cycle trainer while watching DVDs, and I also use it while giving presentations in keynote.
In late 2013 it was estimated to be amongst their best selling laptop, about 35 percent of MacBooks were the 13 inch non retina, vs 35 percent being the 13 and 15 inch retina, and the rest being the Air It was reported back in 2014 on macrumours, where it was noted to be one of their best selling latptops, especially popular with PC switchers thus why it was still on sale It also consistently either sells close to or out sells the other MacBooks on amazon. Several posters on here who have friends in Apple retail, that they are selling consistently well. That lines up with what my friends who work in retail have also reported.
Apple wouldn't be selling them otherwise.
There is only one real reason to get that model: Get more storage cheap. For $100 more than the non-retina MBP, you can get a 13" MBA which has only half the storage, but storage that is 10x faster.
Processor speed might be a wash: faster-clocked Sandy Bridge vs slower-clocked Broadwell. Graphics is significantly faster on the MBA, battery life 12 vs 7 hours (MBA vs non-retina MBP), the non-retina is 50% heavier, has only TB1 vs TB2 on the MBA, external monitor support tops out at 2560 by 1600 vs 4K on the MBA.
Really, getting more storage for less money is the only reason the general population would buy it. You would probably get much better value with a used 2012 or 2013 rMBP.
People buy it for other reasons as well. Some people need optical drives, some people need ethernet, some people need more bang for buck. You'd be surprised how many people still watch DVDs on their Laptops and don't want an external drive to do so.
Considering people are paying $150 more than a Macbook Air, there are people who want what the cMBP offer.
If Apple would update it, half the problems would go away (Old graphics etc).
As I've continually said, the cMBP is not for everyone, the same as the rMB, the rMBP and the MBA are not for everyone, as computing needs vary quite considerably. I can also guarantee you that macrumours members are probably not likely to be lovers of the cMBP as it is a machine that goes against what Apple has done of late, and people on here are lovers of the latest and greatest, and that is not always reflected in the real world.
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I had the speed of the 15" model in mind, the 13" is slower.
That is again just a question of price.
And how much is a used 2012 13" retina MB with a 1 TB SSD? Complaining that a 2015 model is more expensive than a model from 2012 is a bit pointless.
Why would the battery more expensive to replace? Because it is a larger capacity one? The non-retina one doesn't have a user-accessible battery either.
The rMBP is so much better in so many aspects (screen, CPU, GPU, SSD, multiple external monitors, battery life, weight/thickness), and you gripe over a battery indicator light that you use maybe three times per year? You sound like somebody who feels entitled to never have something taken away from him. Things change, there is no guarantee in life that all changes will always be better in every aspect. If you already get riled up over the loss of a battery charge indicator, you must be upset over almost anything that is new and different.
Of course it works, my question is why you still have a remote since Apple hasn't shipped one for years.
A 2012 model still being successful in 2013 is something quite different than a 2012 model still being successful in 2015. Get me some more recent data.
Now, tell me why I am not surprised about that aspect.
And they are probably laughing all the way to the bank.
And we're talking about the 13 inch here.
Not a lot of people have the funds to pay $700 for a ram upgrade that costs $200 to do yourself, plus you get the flexibility of doing it at your own leisure.
Because I don't want a 2012 retina Macbook pro which has been used? The 2012 Macbook Pro non retina is still sold brand new. Not to mention the fact that that the 2012 and possibly 2013 13 inch Retina MacBooks were underpowered for the retina display, and that the i7 upgrade for the cMBP beats them. You also loose most of the davntages such as battery life going for the 2012 model.
Its $179 for the classic Macbook pro, and $279 for the retina pro for battery replacement. Not only that but I am free to easily replace the battery myself at any time in the Non retina pro once my warranty ends. The rMBP requires a complete top case replacement as its glued in.
I use it every night. You sound like the sort of user who will just accept whatever apple does, and does not realise that other people have different needs. Again, the battery life indicator is one of multiple gripes I have with the rMBP. I am not upset by "almost everything new and different". Not sure why the debate has to go personal.
They sell one for $19, I use the one from the spare Apple TV.
Amazon and the 2014 data is more recent, as is what sales people are seeing at the moment. The week day a best buy employee was saying that he was sick of customers wanting the cMBP.
Just because you don't agree with them, doesn't mean you can be condescending.
Honestly just accept that people have different priorities, requirements and preferences to your own with laptop computing. I have, I widely acknowledge that an Air or Retina Pro or Retina Macbook are better for a lot of peoples needs, just as the cMBP is for another group of people.
Theres probably no point in me or you continuing to argue as we will not come to an agreement, thats obvious, not to mention I've realised what I'ma arguing has little relationship to the threads title. All I wanted to say, was pretty much a truth. If Apple put a small amount of effort into the Non Retina Macbook and the Macbook Air, they could keep more of their customers and potential customers happy. That provides a high end laptop, a legacy laptop, a general purpose laptop and a super portable laptop.
Ethernet is not such a great example since that second TB port can easily be 'converted' into an Ethernet port via a dongle. I haven't had optical drives in my computers since 2009 but I did watch many DVDs since then, ripping to disk via an external DVD drive doesn't feel more than chore than opening the DVD case itself.
If you expect Apple to ever do such a thing, you are in for a long wait. The 13" MBA and especially the 13" MBP are clearly better machines. If that 'better' comes at a higher cost or a lower internal storage, that is the price Apple considers worth paying for it.
Well, Apple has prospered by predominantly catering to the lovers of the latest and greatest and not by catering to the budget crowd. Complaining about the price of Apple products is like complaining about the price of any premium product.
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You're missing the point. All annoyances for the sake of something that could be built in. Again, realise that people haven different priorities to you.
Again, better only as they have updated them, better only for your needs. What Apple thinks is worth paying for doesn't matter. They think that it is worth paying for 1GB of ram in a premium smart phone.
And the cMBP wouldn't be a budget computer, just a computer that can be conveniently used by some people who want to get a full Mac experience at a lower price. And for "not catering for budget computing" large amounts of their iPhone and iPad sales in the last couple of years (frequently 30-40 percent) have been from their old model budget devices.
You know, the battery life indicator is probably the biggest thing that irks me about the retina models. It's like, WHY???? It is SO bloody handy to see about how much battery is left without having to open it and they seemingly removed it for absolutely no reason. Also plus one for having an updated (even still non-retina) classic MacBook Pro. Just imagine the battery life they could get out of that thing with current hardware!!!!! But it is comparatively heavy and it will never happen. Oh and yeah I have an old remote from my father-in-law's old 24" iMac that I use all the time with my 2011 27" iMac (a.k.a the iMac with possibly the most useful features ever, extra SATA port for custom Fusion drive (done), user-accessible RAM (20GB), Thunderbolt port that I used to add USB3 and eSATA (awesome), FireWire (I use it), optical drive (ditto), AND an SD card slot that is actually accessible!!!!) Rant over.
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Just give us a Retina Macbook Air already!!
I am waiting for it too man. but I don't know if it is going to happen.
perhaps, but its a shame.
you may be right, but its a shame.
its a very welcomed increase
not mine, the macbook pro is a lot more than I would like to carry around. and the macbook doesn't have the GPU power I want or the ports I want. MacBook Air would be ideal if it had a retina screen.
there are many PC ultrabooks that would be perfect for myself any many others. However, I want to run OS X natively.
its going to be awhile mate. mid 2016 or later.
they have for many years??
this comment tells me that you do not understand processor performance.
the first generation and several after did. same with the 13" MBP.
maybe mid-late 2016 for skylake
kabylake won't come that quick
yes but it is often times the most important feature
non retina macbook is not one of Apple's best selling laptops.... lol?
It is - Marketing reports drawn on by Maceumours in 2014 reported it was, retail store employees report it is now and Amazon also reports it.
Apple wouldn't be selling it if it wasn't selling well.
The RAM upgrade from 8 to 16 GB costs $200 with the 13" rMBP. It costs nothing with the 15" model because that comes already with 16 GB.
If you very really looking for value, you could get a 2012 cMBP for a fraction of what you pay new for it. And if you have to replace the battery, the fan or the HDD, you are still coming out ahead massively (and it seems you are replacing the HDD anyway).
You also loose most of the price premium, which even things out.
You are also getting a much longer battery life with the rMBP, thus if you are happy with a shorter battery life, you can keep using it until it gets to maybe 60% of its design capacity, ie, significantly longer.
No, I'm the glass-half-full guy whereas you sound like a glass-half-empty guy.
The problem is that with your priorities, requirements and preferences you will never be happy with Apple. So, you complaining about Apple is like banging your head against the wall. It's a pointless exercise.
Costs $700 here in Australia.
Or I still came ahead massively with what I did 2 months ago, which was to Buy a i7 cMBP and a 1TB SSD and factor in the price of a future 16GB ram upgrade, which came to $2300 vs $3400 for the similarly equipped rMBP.
Oh I'm very positive on life thank you very much - You are a person who can not accept different people's computer usage.
I'm not complaining about Apple, I'm complaining that people like you who can not accept that someone would like to use a laptop in a way different to them. I'm very happy with what my cMBP gives me, so I cross my fingers that there will be a new one, one day. Apple has made so much money from selling the cMBP without any R&D that they will be able to easily invest some money back into it.
However as I said you seem to only be able to accept your way of doing things, so there is no point arguing. I completely accept your way of doing things works for a lot of people, however not everyone.
Yeah, it was actually useful for that. Luckily, there are cheap USB dongles available too.
I do miss having the ethernet port. The TB to ethernet adaptor is still a pain. On the bright side, HDMI has been helpful.
I agree HDMI would be a benefit. That is why I acknowledge that there are benefits to the rMBP, it really just depends where you want to make the compromise. For me, weight and screen quality are sacrifices I'm willing to make to obtain other things.
You clearly missed the point. I was responding to: "17% increase over the crappy 12inch macbook isn't much."
I'm used to that. But to address the comment blaming Apple is stupid. It's not their fault. There are different architectures to consider, some have better potential, especially if low power is important as it is with Apple for a better user experience.
Before you say too much about "silicone" tech and approaching performance walls, you should probably understand it is silicon, not silicone. Silicone is a rubber-like synthetic compound, commonly used as a caulk. Silicon, is an element, Si, which when properly doped with other elements becomes a semi-conductor. Once you understand that we can have a better discussion, in much greater detail about the nature of these walls and what they are due to.
I think the person you are referring to meant silicon... My (basic) understanding is Intel is getting towards the point where they won't be able to go any smaller, that Moore's law won't continue as its just not feasible after a certain point. Isn't germanium meant to be the next big thing?
Agreed, in my case I would need both more power and a better camera to make it worthy, but on a plus side you get to play with the latest tech first. This time round Apple chose to start with an unusually low processing power. I played with it in an Apple Store and had to wait for Safari to render a page with just two other tabs open and nothing else running in the background. My iPad Air lags much less and has a better front camera, so I am definitely waiting for Apple to boost it.
I am fully aware it is Silicon and not Silicone. It was a typo I missed. Thanks for pointing it out.
If Intel can compete with ARM, why does ARM dominate mobile phones and tablets and why is Intel giving away billions of dollars of processors away to phone and tablet makers? Sure Intel dominates desktops and laptops now, but this is all about the future not the past, and ARM is the future, not Intel. Their monopoly, legacy x86 architecture which they cling to will be their undoing.
I agree with the notion that parallelism is a bit difficult now and that Intel are trying to protect their higher priced products (as monopolists do), but the future is parallelism because single thread performance is going nowhere. Have you looked at the last few releases of Intel processors? If you're lucky you get 5% or 10% increase in per-core performance. Intel can't deliver more cores because its business model is based on a legacy architecture buoyed by expensive processes and selling expensive chips. This is their ther strategic mistake and will be their downfall. ARM has gotten it right and that's why it's winning the future.
So parallelism isn't big now because of legacy software but that's about to change, because it has to. Parallelism isn't hard it's mostly just different, and like so many times before, new (parallel) technology will sweep away the old.
If Apple's smart they'll already be onto this, if they're not... well time to short Apple stock.