Interesting graphic: Apple dominating Samsung in global cellphone profit

Brandon263

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Samsung does not post its private sectors numbers

if you look up SMSHF witch is there heavy industries segment is shows zero info across the whole stock
They don't post numbers for their private companies, but they do provide overall numbers for the Group, which is the parent company of Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Samsung Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. Samsung Techwin, etc.

Again, look at the links.
 

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They don't post numbers for their private companies, but they do provide overall numbers for the Group, which is the parent company of Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Samsung Heavy Industries Co., Ltd. Samsung Techwin, etc.

Again, look at the links.
I looked at the numbers and please show me where it breaks down any income from its oil and other huge income it gets from its heavy industries segment
 

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I looked at the numbers and please show me where it breaks down any income from its oil and other huge income it gets from its heavy industries segment
Again, they do not post figures for individual, private subsidiaries. They post figures for the group as a whole.
 

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Noting where this thread was posted and reading the OP's follow up posts, I have come to the conclusion that this thread was intended as a "My dad is bigger than your dad" thread. Classy indeed. :rolleyes:
 
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Serious question. Where will the apps come from? Does Tizen run Android apps?
Tizen and the successor to Nokia's Meego will both run Android apps natively. With Tizen, Samsung is free to make a phone that walks and talks like an S4, but will allow Samsung to leave out Google Play and make its own app and content stores far more visible than they are at the moment. Samsung will doubtless claim to curate their app store far more carefully.

Should Google be worried? Well it's up to Google to bring the Play brand to the fore. It would be quite delusional for Google to assume Samsung can't make a dent in Google's Play revenue.
 

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Noting where this thread was posted and reading the OP's follow up posts, I have come to the conclusion that this thread was intended as a "My dad is bigger than your dad" thread. Classy indeed. :rolleyes:
Sadly your fogetting one thing Dave...




My dad drives a tank!!! ;)
 

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Tizen and the successor to Nokia's Meego will both run Android apps natively. With Tizen, Samsung is free to make a phone that walks and talks like an S4, but will allow Samsung to leave out Google Play and make its own app and content stores far more visible than they are at the moment. Samsung will doubtless claim to curate their app store far more carefully.

Should Google be worried? Well it's up to Google to bring the Play brand to the fore. It would be quite delusional for Google to assume Samsung can't make a dent in Google's Play revenue.

Exactly.

Samsung have the lions share of Android market sewn up. If they introduced a skinned Tizen device that looks and acts exactly like Touchwiz - but bypasses many of googles own services completely, after all they are packing so much of their own software in the devices as is; that they offer alternatives to googles services (s-calendar, s-note, s-translate, Samsung music etc..) then it is entirely plausible that a day will come when Samsung would want to take full control over their 'phone' empire.

Whilst I don't believe it runs Android apps 'natively' they still have to be re-packaged in order to work on Tizen (much like BB apps based on Android code still have to be re-packaged for BB10) .

But yes - if the majority of Android is taken by Samsung, then it should be a concern to Google, that too many of its own eggs are in Samsung's basket. I'm sure Samsung have greater plans than being 'beholden' to Google going into the future.
 
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samsung's growing rapidly, if apple doesn't comes up with a great iphone i'm afraid samsung will soon overtake apple in this category. plz apple do something.:(
 

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samsung's growing rapidly, if apple doesn't comes up with a great iphone i'm afraid samsung will soon overtake apple in this category. plz apple do something.:(
nah, apple will never let that happen, when iOS7 will come out, iphone's sales will increase and that will further strengthen apple's lead.
 

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samsung's growing rapidly, if apple doesn't comes up with a great iphone i'm afraid samsung will soon overtake apple in this category. plz apple do something.:(
There are 5 billion people who don't have smartphones. There are 1 billion people who do have smartphones. Think about that for a minute. Apple will soon be releasing a low-cost iPhone targeting those 5 billion who don't have smartphones yet. The game hasn't even begun. All of the players haven't even stepped out on the field yet.
 

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With all the new dev support and new programing sdks with crazy new features that Google io just put out why in the world would Samsung ever compete with android?

They get android for free and are just about to release a pure android gs4 without none of the Samsung ecosystem.

Tizan was a back up plan to android on how the apple lawsuits were going to plan out.

The new gaming sdks that Google is pushing and it's using the heart of the gs4 to base it off of with the Google edition gs4 is what all the devs will use.
One reason that people are reluctant to switch from Android to iPhone or iPhone to Android is because they have invested into an ecosystem. It is costly to repurchase all of those apps and games, and it is sometimes difficult to figure out how to sync your music and videos when switching devices. With a Galaxy phone, though, you can easily switch from your Galaxy S3 to an HTC One without having to worry about the ecosystem.

As the battle begins for the billions of people who haven't bought their first smartphone yet, Samsung likely wants those people's first purchases to be into an ecosystem they control so that people can't as easily switch to a competitors device.
 

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One reason that people are reluctant to switch from Android to iPhone or iPhone to Android is because they have invested into an ecosystem. It is costly to repurchase all of those apps and games, and it is sometimes difficult to figure out how to sync your music and videos when switching devices. With a Galaxy phone, though, you can easily switch from your Galaxy S3 to an HTC One without having to worry about the ecosystem.

As the battle begins for the billions of people who haven't bought their first smartphone yet, Samsung likely wants those people's first purchases to be into an ecosystem they control so that people can't as easily switch to a competitors device.
Its not going to happen. Tizen is for markets like China that don't have google play services. Its not for their flagship devices.

Samsung would be shooting themselves in the foot to not have google play on there devices they sell in the rest of the world.
 

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There are 5 billion people who don't have smartphones. There are 1 billion people who do have smartphones. Think about that for a minute. Apple will soon be releasing a low-cost iPhone targeting those 5 billion who don't have smartphones yet. The game hasn't even begun. All of the players haven't even stepped out on the field yet.
Wow I didn't know 1 billion people have smartphones. I thought the actual figure was lower.
 

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Its not going to happen. Tizen is for markets like China that don't have google play services. Its not for their flagship devices.

Samsung would be shooting themselves in the foot to not have google play on there devices they sell in the rest of the world.
Samsung has already said that it will be one of their flagships. Also, it is expected to first launch in the US and then be released in Europe. I believe that their original plan may have been to target the Asian market with Tizen, but since last years launch was delayed, I believe that they decided to first launch it as a flagship in the US, and then will target the low-income population with a cheap device later.

Whether or not it is marketed as a Galaxy device and will eventually replace Android is yet to be seen. Maybe they aren't even sure yet if it will replace Android. It will be an interesting show to watch, for sure.
 

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Dont believe the actual number of smartphone users is 1 billion. Google is about to hit 1 billion activations, but that is both feature and smartphone variations.
It was reported last year that globally smartphones had reached 1 billion. I don't know what they are including in the smartphone category, though. Eric Schmidt also used the 1 billion number in an interview with NBC. He talks about smartphone growth around 1:45 in the video linked below.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-17/smartphones-in-use-surpass-1-billion-will-double-by-2015.html

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/51766723#51766723
 

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Dont believe the actual number of smartphone users is 1 billion.
Smartphone sales have been accelerating each year. Roughly:

2006 - 80 million
2007 - 100 million
2008 - 140 million
2009 - 170 million
2010 - 295 million
2011 - 485 million
2012 - 675 million
2013 - 900 million (forecast)

So it's easy to believe there's currently over 1 billion users.

Google is about to hit 1 billion activations, but that is both feature and smartphone variations.
There are no Android based feature phones at this time. (There has been talk of doing some, but AFAIK nothing yet.)

The activations number includes tablets, and is predicted to occur by the end of this year.
 
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Those sales and activation figures for Android (and also for iOS if they exist) don't take into account that a lot of people get a new phone every year, or have multiple phones (if they do please correct me)

So there may be 900 million activations, but that doesn't mean 900 million *unique* activations.

Heck some people have more than one smartphone at the same time.
 

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Smartphone sales have been accelerating each year. Roughly:

2006 - 80 million
2007 - 100 million
2008 - 140 million
2009 - 170 million
2010 - 295 million
2011 - 485 million
2012 - 675 million
2013 - 900 million (forecast)

So it's easy to believe there's currently over 1 billion users.



There are no Android based feature phones at this time. (There has been talk of doing some, but AFAIK nothing yet.)

The activations number includes tablets, and is predicted to occur by the end of this year.
Isn't that 1 billion activations TOTAL, since inception? I believe that is what Page said during his March interview. (Just Googled it. Here is the quote):
Imagine, if you will, that every man, woman, and child in Europe owned an Android device. That still wouldn't account for every device that's been made, sold, and activated, according to the latest blog post from Google CEO Larry Page. In the same message that revealed Andy Rubin would be leaving his position as the head of Android development, Page mentioned almost in passing that Android had surpassed 750 million activated devices, including smartphones, tablets, and various other gadgets.
So in March, Android had activated 750 million Android capable devices since the first phone was introduced running Android back in 2008.

As for feature phones running Android, what about the Galaxy Pro in 2011, Huawei’s Impulse in 2011, LG Optimus T and S in 2012, plus a host of others listed as feature phones by the manufacturer running Android? I think many people envision a 2 inch, epaper style lcd display and a hard button T9 dialpad as a feature phone. This is not the case, at least according to the manufacturers of the phones. Not trying to argue or come across as an ass, just explaining my interpretation from my previous post and why I said what I did.

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Those sales and activation figures for Android (and also for iOS if they exist) don't take into account that a lot of people get a new phone every year, or have multiple phones (if they do please correct me)

So there may be 900 million activations, but that doesn't mean 900 million *unique* activations.

Heck some people have more than one smartphone at the same time.
Actually, it does mean unique activations. If the IMEI # from a device checks in with Google's servers, it's done. Can't be activated again. However, Google has introduced a new method to ensure that an activated phone is being used and not sitting collecting dust somewhere, by only counting phones that check in to Google Play every month.

From Google's developer website in April:
Mountain View noted the change to activations on its Android developer site, writing: “Beginning in April, 2013, these charts are now built using data collected from each device when the user visits the Google Play Store. Previously, the data was collected when the device simply checked-in to Google servers. We believe the new data more accurately reflects those users who are most engaged in the Android and Google Play ecosystem.”
 

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Apple will soon be releasing a low-cost iPhone targeting those 5 billion who don't have smartphones yet.
How much would you estimate those other 5 billion could afford to spend on *any* mobile phone, let alone a smart one?

Just a rough figure will do.

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So there may be 900 million activations, but that doesn't mean 900 million *unique* activations.

Heck some people have more than one smartphone at the same time.
At no point has Google released figures detailing how many people are actively using Linux. They only ever mention devices.
 

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How much would you estimate those other 5 billion could afford to spend on *any* mobile phone, let alone a smart one?

Just a rough figure will do.
In the interviews and articles I've read, the 5 billion people referenced already have mobile phones. And as Eric Schmidt mentioned in the interview on NBC I linked to -- and I've posted it again below -- many of these people don't even have toilets or televisions, and they power their mobile phones with solar chargers. (I assume this means they don't have electricity, either.) He says that starting at 10:50.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/meet-the-press/51766723#51766723

http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/03/25/more-people-have-cell-phones-than-toilets-u-n-study-shows/

As far as price, the speculation is $350 to $400 without subsidies. Perhaps it will be the same price as they pay now for a normal phone with subsidy. Regardless, it isn't going to be an overnight explosion of smartphone sales. It will be an exponential growth, and the next big battle will be selling to those people. I've read that growth for high-end smartphones will plateau in a couple years, so of course it makes sense that companies will focus on cheaper devices for continued growth.

http://www.macrumors.com/2013/05/23/new-colors-rumored-for-iphone-5s-and-lower-cost-iphone-dual-led-flash-for-iphone-5s/
 
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Don't forget that there are many more Android phones activated (or in use) that are not tracked by Google esp those in China.
 

kdarling

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Isn't that 1 billion activations TOTAL, since inception?
Yes.

I do think the multiple use of "1 billion" is confusing some people The billion Android activations (all devices since 2008) is different from the billion current users of smartphones from all manufacturers.

As for feature phones running Android, what about the Galaxy Pro in 2011, Huawei’s Impulse in 2011, LG Optimus T and S in 2012, plus a host of others listed as feature phones by the manufacturer running Android? I think many people envision a 2 inch, epaper style lcd display and a hard button T9 dialpad as a feature phone. This is not the case, at least according to the manufacturers of the phones.
Doesn't matter what the ads called them, it's a case of "you know one when you see it" :) The devices mentioned are all smartphones. They can download and run Android apps, and all require a full data plan.

I didn't see any with an epaper style LCD.

As for having a T9 dialpad, I had wonderful little smartphones like that running Windows Mobile in the early 2000s. A touchscreen isn't required to make something a smartphone. However, all the devices you listed do have a touchscreen.

Actually, it does mean unique activations. If the IMEI # from a device checks in with Google's servers, it's done. Can't be activated again.

However, Google has introduced a new method to ensure that an activated phone is being used and not sitting collecting dust somewhere, by only counting phones that check in to Google Play every month.
I think, again, some people (not you) are confusing total activations with the Android Dashboard, which shows percentage of various OS version and screen sizes hitting the Playmarket.. They're separate counts.

Regards.
 

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Actually, it does mean unique activations. If the IMEI # from a device checks in with Google's servers, it's done. Can't be activated again. However, Google has introduced a new method to ensure that an activated phone is being used and not sitting collecting dust somewhere, by only counting phones that check in to Google Play every month.
No that's not what he is saying.

Consider that one person has two, three, or four smartphones in his possession (I have seen some with five!).

That means while there could be one billion smartphones in the world, there could be just 600-700 million unique people using them instead of one billion unique humans.