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I haven't seen the scientific consensus on this one. I'm willing to be proven wrong, though.
“Common sense” is all you’re quoting so far. That’s nothing to do with research of science of fact. So far it doesn’t seem you’ve tried to informe yourself at all. As such am not sure what position of “right” you can even offer to be proven “wrong”.
 
“Common sense” is all you’re quoting so far. That’s nothing to do with research of science of fact. So far it doesn’t seem you’ve tried to informe yourself at all. As such am not sure what position of “right” you can even offer to be proven “wrong”.
Common sense trumps all for this non-issue. Please educate yourself on the uses of common sense. You can’t “legislate stupidity”, which is what this issue is. Food can be addictive, maybe we stop eating based on your logic.
 
Common sense trumps all for this non-issue. Please educate yourself on the uses of common sense. You can’t “legislate stupidity”, which is what this issue is. Food can be addictive, maybe we stop eating based on your logic.
I have yet to see that you know any of the relevant fact.

Knowing no facts, revelling in it, and slinging out random opinion from that deep hole, is not “common sense” but rather nonsense.

No society can be run on lack of interest in actual facts and knowledge. Unless youre the taliban or something....
 
I have yet to see that you know any of the relevant fact.

Knowing no facts, revelling in it, and slinging out random opinion from that deep hole, is not “common sense” but rather nonsense.

No society can be run on lack of interest in actual facts and knowledge. Unless youre the taliban or something....
I'm also waiting for some relevant information. Forget the hyperbole. Addictive behavior with respect to anything isn't new, and it doesn't have to be substance abuse. Technology can help in this regard, but teaching, learning and common sense are the ways to go about it.

Merely saying there are scientific studies will not get the job done and mitigate the issues.
 
I'm also waiting for some relevant information. Forget the hyperbole. Addictive behavior with respect to anything isn't new, and it doesn't have to be substance abuse. Technology can help in this regard, but teaching, learning and common sense are the ways to go about it.

Merely saying there are scientific studies will not get the job done and mitigate the issues.
You went so far as to day the science wasnt “conclusive”? Don’t flip flop. Does it exist or not?

Don’t keep respecting nonsense about common sense, as it has no bearing on addiction. So already there you betray a lack of grasp on the issues.
 
This is just offloading the problems onto someone else who can't bother educating themselves if their lives depended on it.

Add privacy features and restrictions do help. but don't be their parent for them too.

I'm also waiting for some relevant information. Forget the hyperbole. Addictive behavior with respect to anything isn't new, and it doesn't have to be substance abuse. Technology can help in this regard, but teaching, learning and common sense are the ways to go about it.

Merely saying there are scientific studies will not get the job done and mitigate the issues.

It can help, but it should stop after "helping", not offload everything onto technology because we 'trust it' over, what we believe, is better.

As we know, when issues happen, we blame software, we don't blame ourselves, but that is because we can't, not that we won't.
 
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You went so far as to day the science wasnt “conclusive”? Don’t flip flop. Does it exist or not?

Don’t keep respecting nonsense about common sense, as it has no bearing on addiction. So already there you betray a lack of grasp on the issues.
The common sense nonsense is the only way to go about this. Not everybody is "addicted" and I re-iterate, give someone a stock iphone without internet and see how addictive it is. The only people without a grasp on the issue are "scientific proof" only people. Anyway carry on.
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This is just offloading the problems onto someone else who can't bother educating themselves if their lives depended on it.

Add privacy features and restrictions do help. but don't be their parent for them too.



It can help, but it should stop after "helping", not offload everything onto technology because we 'trust it' over, what we believe, is better.

As we know, when issues happen, we blame software, we don't blame ourselves, but that is because we can't, not that we won't.
I couldn't agree more. You can't program around stupidity or idiocy.
 
Science is real. And addiction is not a moral issue. Idiocy of that sort is why America imprisons more of its own citizens than any other country in the world, half of them drug users.

Get real and pay attention to emerging science:

http://www.rewire.org/living/digital-addiction/amp/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/320183

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-athletes

The job if you’re leading company in this business , using terms like ecosystem, best smartphone etc, is to start making solutions - not a cloud of Stone Age idea.
 
I’m glad you agree it’s not an iPhone per se that is addictive; especially with my postulate a stock iPhone without internet is not appealing nor “addicting”.

Notice your article mentions Facebook. I mentioned Facebook as well. Common sense tells us that Facebook is the evil here and iPhone (galaxy, blackberry, etc)is the messenger. Don’t need a scientific to prove that Facebook is the biggest time waster and it’s that that is addictive and could be on a mobile device, tablet, Mac, Linux or Windows computer.
 
Smartphones are additive. Doubly so in combination with apps. That's not about "common sense" - its what the science says.

When you have the leading smartphone company and leading app store, yes what? You've got to lead in changing the design of smartphones and apps.

There is no one else to point the finger at. You sell the product, well you make sure it's responsibly done.

Dont waste time on weasel ideas and weasel words. Only if you want a society of weasels.
 
That smartphones are addictive should be easy to prove in a scientific manner. Two control groups: one stock smartphone nongames or internet access. Second control group games, internet and whatever. Common sense already knows what the results will be. Smartphones are not addictive, Facebook is.

You do not design a product to limit Facebook access because Facebook is addictive, that’s a slippery slope. You limit Facebook access in Facebook.

Don’t waste the forums time citing scientific evidence that doesn’t hold up when common sense rules.
 
You're off on a tangent. The devices are designed at this point to be used in app ecosystems. Go read the business strategy of Apple, if you're not informed.

The device is made to hook you. It is made to use apps in a private Apple-owned and run app store - and those apps too are designed to hook you. And then Apple makes a cut on both.

In any case, this problem is real. While you are babbling about common nonsense, people are profiting from the scientific application of insight about how these things can hook users:
https://medium.com/@richardnfreed/the-tech-industrys-psychological-war-on-kids-c452870464ce
 
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While you are babbling about scientific evidence, parents should be using common to raise their kids.

A phone/computer can be used in any way a parent wants the phone to be used. Parents can restrict games and downloads. The first order of common sense business, no Facebook.

Facebook
is addictive no matter the platform. Common sense tells one that.

I’ll leave it at that.
 
While you are babbling about scientific evidence, parents should be using common to raise their kids..
Actually the way it works is you base your decisions as a parent on knowledge.

If you dont need apps, you dont need a smartphone.

But in today's world smartphone apps are the gateway to services and communications. So they are needed.

If you actually interested in insight, the article above points out how the design of these things is malformed. So the job is to do it right. Not to stick your head in the sand like the taliban denying the existence of science.
 
Actually the way it works is you base your decisions as a parent on knowledge.

If you dont need apps, you dont need a smartphone.

But in today's world smartphone apps are the gateway to services and communications. So they are needed.

If you actually interested in insight, the article above points out how the design of these things is malformed. So the job is to do it right. Not to stick your head in the sand like the taliban denying the existence of science.
The way it worked in my house is my kids were raised using common sense and parental instincts. When it came to diseases and sprained ankles I agree knowledge is key here. But for behavioral parenting it was all common sense and instinct.

And the “if you don’t need apps” “you don’t need a smartphone” is your opinion, not mine.

As far as adults, they are on their own.
 
The way it worked in my house is my kids were raised using common sense and parental instincts. When it came to diseases and sprained ankles I agree knowledge is key here. But for behavioral parenting it was all common sense and instinct.

And the “if you don’t need apps” “you don’t need a smartphone” is your opinion, not mine.

As far as adults, they are on their own.

Common sense is a vague term that has no meaning. "Common sense" has included such ideas as beating children and isolating them. Or that addiction was a moral problem. All of which we know better today - factually speaking. So spare us the nonsense. Facts are what matter. Not misguided subjective opinions disguised as "common sense"

But as I said, Apple and other companies know what addiction is and they scientifically work to create it. Here is one example from their own mouths:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/24/...fitness-tracker-healthy-notification-behavior
...Jay Blahnik, director of fitness and health at Apple...The activity app, Blahnik says, is one of the most popular apps on the Watch. Originally built to be “more addictive” than the average pedometer...
This kind of science can be used in different ways. And not all of it is good. So companies like this need to take a public stand on what they are doing, how they are doing it and what their principles are. It's necessary in this day and age.
 
Common sense is a vague term that has no meaning. "Common sense" has included such ideas as beating children and isolating them. Or that addiction was a moral problem. All of which we know better today - factually speaking. So spare us the nonsense. Facts are what matter. Not misguided subjective opinions disguised as "common sense"

But as I said, Apple and other companies know what addiction is and they scientifically work to create it. Here is one example from their own mouths:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/24/...fitness-tracker-healthy-notification-behavior
...Jay Blahnik, director of fitness and health at Apple...The activity app, Blahnik says, is one of the most popular apps on the Watch. Originally built to be “more addictive” than the average pedometer...
This kind of science can be used in different ways. And not all of it is good. So companies like this need to take a public stand on what they are doing, how they are doing it and what their principles are. It's necessary in this day and age.
Facebook is the root (and start) and has nothing to do with Apple, except by being an internet enabled device. Common sense, not a phd, tells one that.

Scientific “studies” fall flat when common sense prevails.

The article by the verge...is a puff piece. Surprised you didn’t recognize it. Don’t software authors want their programs to be addictive or at least useful? If not, why bother writing it.
 
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"...Scientific “studies” fall flat when common sense prevails...."

There is no such thing as common sense, if it does not match scientific knowledge. That's why you fly around the world, even though "common sense" would have claimed that man cannot fly.

Spare us the ridiculous stuff really. Save it for your taliban meeting or whatever.
 
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