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You mean those 100,000 iPhones that burned? Because that's how many you'd need to find for us in order to match the disaster that was the Note 7 (based on incidents per devices sold).
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Ssshhh. You're not allowed to say Android gets beaten, spanked, dominated or destroyed in any category.
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McDonald's has an incredible market share. Doesn't mean they make the best burgers.

I am not aware Android being beaten, spanked dominated or destroyed in any category. I am aware though, Apple is copy and pasting features from Android.
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Is that why all kinds of people are looking for ways to go back (and actually go back) to their trusty iOS 9?

I rolled back to iOS 9(2 iPhone 6S, iPhone 6 and 3 SEs), simply because iOS 10 is horrible.
 
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Is that why all kinds of people are looking for ways to go back (and actually go back) to their trusty iOS 9?

My main device is a 5s on iOS 8.last. I have other devices on everything from 5-10 (for app development purposes). But 9 was where software quality really started going down hill... I had a game ready to ship (working on 8) and spent all of September 2015 working around bugs in the 9.0 GM (including the Game Center brain damage - just ripped game center out). I had submitted several bug reports to Apple found on iOS 9 beta 1.WWDC, but none were fixed by GM. All the crash bugs were mitigated with lack of functionality by 9.last, the functionality bugs never were fixed.... Oh well... 9.GM was where the wheels finally came off...
 
Happily running iOS 8.4.1 on my iPhone 6. Still 90% compatible with new apps.
 
Wake me up when Apple rescinds this "forced" update policy and allows me to install the software that came with my device, and up to what's supported, so that I can determine the sweet spot.

That is my single biggest gripe with Apple and I will not buy any new iOS device until this is rescinded.

But damn it's hard to resist the temptation (that gloss black iPhone sure is badass lookin')..

Okay, I'll be waking you then :p
I decided I'll be waiting for a while to see how iOS 10 turns out before I upgrade my iPhone 6 Plus from the current 9.3.5.
So far, I have not even got a single pop-up asking me to install iOS 10. A few days ago, I went into Settings and looked for updates. Yes, iOS 10 is there, patiently waiting for me to decide when *I* want it downloaded and installed.
Before you ask - no, I haven't made any special settings there.

Same goes for my gf, who's on a regular iPhone 6. She likewise has't seen any pop-ups bugging her to install iOS 10.

Meanwhile on Android
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Yes, Google's upgraded policy is just plain horrible. (Okay, Google is horrible on the whole, but their upgrade policy is especially horrible). Android 4.4, which came out just somewhat over 2 years ago is already entirely unsupported. The just slightly older 4.3 (and older versions) already have known critical security flaws, but Google refuses to do anything about it. If you total the numbers above, that are nearly 20% still on 4.3 or older, who are now shafted.

Once critical security flaws in 4.4 will become public, another 28% of users will get shafted because Google won't provide updates there, either, as they already discontinued it.

Android 5 is already almost two years out, and only on about a third of all devices. I still remember the long wait after its release for the update. Android 6 is even worse. It's one year old now, and it's barely on as many devices as those running 4.3 and older. That's because Google gets worse and worse all the time with their updates, they simply take longer and longer until they release them to any vendors. Even with my high-end Sony smartphone, I had to wait roughly half a year for the 6.0 update. It wasn't any better in the Samsung camp.

So, in the Android world, you have to be lucky to even get two years of updates, which only happens with a top of the line model. Lesser models, or lesser known brands, will see far less updates even. Low-end China brands (e.g. Cubot) won't ever see any updates, at all.

At the same time, my dad still got an update to iOS 9.3.5 on his five years old 4s. That would be way past impossible in the Android world.
 
Lol, nice!
Compare Samsung's issue with problems people had with NON Apple knock-off 3rd party chargers!!!
That doesn't seem sleazy & disingenuous at all!

/sarcasm
Fact check! Correction. No these are genuine original Apple products and adaptors. Apple has been caught out under reporting incidents. The only sleaze is coming from 1 Infinite Loop Cupertino. No sarcasm.

Fan boy/girl or no fan boy/girl. When people criticize Samsung for fires, they need to look at the seriousness of Apple fires as well and be impartial in their assessments.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...nts-may-be-underreported-20160201-gmioeu.html

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You mean those 100,000 iPhones that burned? Because that's how many you'd need to find for us in order to match the disaster that was the Note 7 (based on incidents per devices sold).
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Ssshhh. You're not allowed to say Android gets beaten, spanked, dominated or destroyed in any category.
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McDonald's has an incredible market share. Doesn't mean they make the best burgers.
Apple is McDonalds. There's a gap in the market for a highly design focused new device running a completely new, secure, simple and clean OS. Apple was this, but it's not anymore.
 
Why would it unlock itself? Why would you not put the screen to sleep before putting it back in your pocket?
I pull it out and wake the screen to see the time, then put it back in my pocket and I guess it sometimes flips to the new widget area and registers a touch which then goes to the app because I don't have a passcode (I know shame shame). I have never had this happen prior to iOS 10 so it is not habit to have to make sure the screen is off prior to pocketing.
 
There's so much ignorance from both android and Apple fanboys in this thread it's making my head spin trying not to reply to everyone with their inaccuracies and FUD.
 
Fact check! Correction. No these are genuine original Apple products and adaptors. Apple has been caught out under reporting incidents. The only sleaze is coming from 1 Infinite Loop Cupertino. No sarcasm.

Fan boy/girl or no fan boy/girl. When people criticize Samsung for fires, they need to look at the seriousness of Apple fires as well and be impartial in their assessments.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...nts-may-be-underreported-20160201-gmioeu.html

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Apple is McDonalds. There's a gap in the market for a highly design focused new device running a completely new, secure, simple and clean OS. Apple was this, but it's not anymore.
Some hyperbole here. Apple is not under any battery recall. Comparing a random issue to a full blown world-wide recall is a false equivalency. If Apple is McDonald's me-thinks Samsung is Burger King. It's better to be McDonald's.
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The ultimate purpose of new, numerical IOS updates: iOS 6, 7, 8, 9 etc etc. is to create a need for new hardware by slowing down the OS w new & questionsably "better" features.

I honestly wonder if there is a secret "throttle setting" in all these OSes & it gets cranked down a bit with each new release.... to slowly and intentionally cripple older devices.

A fast & smooth OS is Apple's nightmare.
Pretty much no evidence for that except Internet hyperbole. Repeating something over and over makes it truer.
 
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Your 4 iPhones?! You're a drug dealer?
LOL no. I have 6 lines on T-Mobile. I use one as my main line and the other 5 are in phones that I use mostly like I used to use my cellular iPad Mini 2. The lines are cheap enough that I can do this.

I have a 5S, 6S, 6S+ and a 6. plus 4 Android phones. I'm not ready to stop using any of them.
 
sigh... I miss the old days when actual Mac stories filled MacRumors site. I understand that iPhone takes up majority of Apple profits, but I am at the same time surprised that the company is so slow at merging the iPhone/iPad environment with Mac. iPhone and iPad are meant to boost Mac, not cannibalize them. I just miss the computer focus these days.
#anotherRantonMac

The hype is over, and in the real world - where people actually work with their computers and not just surf the web - you see less and less Macs these days. Yeah, I can hear the Adobe, Logic/Final Cut and Xcode crowd roaring, but folks - you are a minority and nobody else tries to use Macs anymore unless they are forced to.

To add insult to injury, Apple really seems to believe that an iPad can replace a notebook, so they don't even care about their notebooks anymore - they rather want you to spend more money on the inferior and heavily restricted iPad.

I think Xcode is the only reason why they even bother releasing new Macs every now and then.
 
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The hype is over, and in the real world - where people actually work with their computers and not just surf the web - you see less and less Macs these days. Yeah, I can hear the Adobe, Logic/Final Cut and Xcode crowd roaring, but folks - you are a minority and nobody else tries to use Macs anymore unless they are forced to.

To add insult to injury, Apple really seems to believe that an iPad can replace a notebook, so they don't even care about their notebooks anymore - they rather want you to spend more money on the inferior and heavily restricted iPad.

I think Xcode is the only reason why they even bother releasing new Macs every now and then.
Seems like these kinds of things might be location dependent or something else like that since I certainly still see a lot of Macs around and probably more than before. That's in addition to a lot of iOS devices.
 
Once there is a Jailbreak for iOS 10, I'll move my four iPhones and iPad over to it. Till then, I'm on 9.3.3 and 9.0.2 on my devices.
8.4 and 9.3.3 on my devices.
I'd rather use an old Nokia with Symbian than an iphone without jailbrake.:)
 



Just over two weeks after iOS 10 was released to the public, its adoption rate has reached 48.16 percent, successfully overtaking iOS 9, according to data obtained from Mixpanel's iOS 10 adoption tracker.

iOS 10 is now installed on slightly more iOS devices than iOS 9, with Mixpanel's numbers suggesting 47.79 percent of iPhones, iPads, and iPod touches continue to run Apple's previous-generation operating system. 4.06 percent of devices still have iOS 8 or earlier installed.

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Since iOS 10 was released, its adoption numbers have been growing steadily and have been almost on pace with iOS 9 adoption rates during this time last year. One day after release, iOS 10 was installed on 14.5 percent of devices, and at just under one week, following the release of the iPhone 7 and iPhone 7 Plus, it was installed on 34 percent of devices.

iOS 10 saw some early installation issues that may have made people wary of downloading the update, but its steady growth can be attributed to the many appealing features it offers, including a revamped Messages app with stickers and a full App Store, a Siri API for developers, a redesigned Lock Screen experience, a new Music app, new facial and object recognition capabilities in Photos, and more.

Last year, less than two weeks after iOS 9 was released, Apple said it was installed on more than 50 percent of active devices, making it the operating system with the fastest ever adoption rates. Based on Mixpanel's numbers, it doesn't appear iOS 10 has outpaced it, but it did come close.

Article Link: iOS 10 Overtakes iOS 9, Now Installed on 48% of Devices
Considering a lot of my friends just updates IOS when IPhone update alert pops up ( it takes a lot of time to get this update alerts I guess. I've never received it btw.)
 
9 was so bad you might as well just upgrade... Sad.

That's the way I saw it, and so far it has been a good bet. 10 fixed all the major airplay glitches I had on 9. But now I'm afraid to install minor versions of 10, in case it breaks again...
 
I thought this graph was showing polling numbers for Trump, Clinton, and Stein. Hahaha.
*Honorable mention to Johnson - He should not be left out, I just thought the 4.x% was more indicative of Stein's numbers.
 
Fact check! Correction. No these are genuine original Apple products and adaptors. Apple has been caught out under reporting incidents. The only sleaze is coming from 1 Infinite Loop Cupertino. No sarcasm.

Fan boy/girl or no fan boy/girl. When people criticize Samsung for fires, they need to look at the seriousness of Apple fires as well and be impartial in their assessments.

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/...nts-may-be-underreported-20160201-gmioeu.html

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Apple is McDonalds. There's a gap in the market for a highly design focused new device running a completely new, secure, simple and clean OS. Apple was this, but it's not anymore.

Load of crap. Note 7 fires aren't just slightly more common than iPhone fires. They are several orders of magnitude worse. So why are you still yapping about iPhone fires when it's an issue that happens to all phones (rare incidents of fires)?

Way to miss the McDonalds comparison. Mcdonalds sells billions of garbage burgers. Android sells billions of garbage phones. That clear enough for you?
 
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You don't want to. The lock screen on my retina iPad Mini is so retarded now.

While I don't agree with using that word, I totally agree with you. That lockscreen does NOT work well without Touch ID.

I'm not a big fan of it with TouchID, either...
 
And meanwhile Android has an incredible device market share.

Which is better?
that argument is silly because android fans love using its device marketshare as a defense against any criticism, never mind that when you compare it 1 to 1 android devices, apple outsells almost everyone of them excluding Samsung probably. And in the grand scheme of things, the world is still iPhone centric when it comes to phones. So it having high device marketshare is irrelevant.

Ps it doesn't change the fact that android is crap with os upgrades are only marginally better with nexus
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Just as on fire as previous iPhone models and power adapters. Smoking hot and in flames.
Minus the mass recall of phones. I don't think it was quite as serious as the note 7 situation
 
Since I updated to iOS 10 I can´t sync with iTunes 12 running on OS X 10.7 Lion.
Both iPhones and my iPad are affected.
I´m an Apple user and fan since 1996 and I thought I would never say this, but now it happend: Apple is on the same level as Microsoft. I need to consult Apple care support for the first time in 20 years!
I don´t see the advantage compared to Windows any more. That´s sad......
 
Or D. There's just a crap-tonne more Android devices than iOS devices, so the odds are that iOS will have a lower share.

Still, people see that iOS devices are available, and choose not to buy it. For whatever reason. The deal here is that iOS fans seem to always attribute that choice to "being a cheapskate".


Do you remember XP and how that recently got discontinued? That was an OS that's 10 years old, but only 3 or 4 generations of OS old. The generations are what's key - many generations, much more code to keep updated for less and less reason as people upgrade. iOS generations are created yearly (or more frequently, if you want all .x versions downgrade-able too!) so keeping them secure is an unviable option.

Well, the security risk should be up to me, not Apple.

I can still download Mac OS versions as far back as Lion (not sure if even earlier ones are available) from the App Store. No, they don't get updates past a certain point, but so what? The "unviable option" doesn't apply here.

The point is that I'd rather have a relatively unsecure system that runs well versus one that's tight as a drum and runs like garbage. I don't have to have my devices connected all the time to the outside world.

So why is iOS being treated differently? I believe it's because Apple wants you to upgrade (obviously, it is a business).

This for me is yet another reason to not look at iOS devices as "computers". I need control of my system (to a degree, of course).
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Not in my experience.

Riiiight.


I don't think most users "choose" Android. They choose a cheap phone that happens to run Android. There's a difference.

That assumption is what makes you a fanboy. You leave room for only one outcome.

They essentially are for Android since the majority of security exploits end up being low-level and can't be patched by Google Play Services. This is why you're still stuck waiting for the OEM and/or carrier to get a security update, even if the actual update is only a tiny portion of the code.

Google has been trying to fix this by adding more and more functionality (and APIs) into Google Play Services. Then they have the ability to issue fixes to any device with Google Play Services. The downside to this is that Google Play Services is 100% closed source and the more they add to it the less useful AOSP becomes since its development is essentially stalled (it doesn't get all the new stuff from Google - they put it into Google Play Services instead).

Umm, OK. I still choose Android, and absorb said security risk (and do my best to mitigate it from my end), because I want to use my phone in ways Apple doesn't "allow".

Let me make this clear before you knee-jerk into "iOS hater" territory: It's not that Apple devices are of inferior quality. The issue is that they are (comparably) more limited. Period. That is an un-arguable fact. Thus users need to choose whichever trade-off they want to live with.

Personally, I would not trade freedom for security, in any situation.
 
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