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Still, people see that iOS devices are available, and choose not to buy it. For whatever reason. The deal here is that iOS fans seem to always attribute that choice to "being a cheapskate".


Well, the security risk should be up to me, not Apple.

I can still download Mac OS versions as far back as Lion (not sure if even earlier ones are available) from the App Store. No, they don't get updates past a certain point, but so what? The "unviable option" doesn't apply here.

The point is that I'd rather have a relatively unsecure system that runs well versus one that's tight as a drum and runs like garbage. I don't have to have my devices connected all the time to the outside world.

So why is iOS being treated differently? I believe it's because Apple wants you to upgrade (obviously, it is a business).

This for me is yet another reason to not look at iOS devices as "computers". I need control of my system (to a degree, of course).
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Riiiight.

That assumption is what makes you a fanboy. You leave room for only one outcome.

Umm, OK. I still choose Android, and absorb said security risk (and do my best to mitigate it from my end), because I want to use my phone in ways Apple doesn't "allow".

Let me make this clear before you knee-jerk into "iOS hater" territory: It's not that Apple devices are of inferior quality. The issue is that they are (comparably) more limited. Period. That is an un-arguable fact. Thus users need to choose whichever trade-off they want to live with.

Personally, I would not trade freedom for security, in any situation.

Ah, playing the fanboy card when you don't like what someone says.

I simply state facts. Period. Nothing I post has anything to do with a company I like or dislike. It's the people who don't like what I post that start throwing labels around to try and dismiss what I say. Says more about them than me.

My iOS devices can do far more than your Android ones ever can. So your statement that iPhones are limited (an un-arguable fact, to use your own words) is simply an outright lie. They may do more for "you", but to state with absolute certainty they do more is simply wrong.

You enjoy your Android devices with an inferior ecosystem, inferior Apps, inferior developers and vastly inferior security. I hope the obscure use-case you require that somehow iOS can't do is worth throwing all the rest away.
 
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Ah, playing the fanboy card when you don't like what someone says.

I simply state facts. Period. Nothing I post has anything to do with a company I like or dislike. It's the people who don't like what I post that start throwing labels around to try and dismiss what I say. Says more about them than me.

My iOS devices can do far more than your Android ones ever can. So your statement that iPhones are limited (an un-arguable fact, to use your own words) is simply an outright lie. They may do more for "you", but to state with absolute certainty they do more is simply wrong.

You enjoy your Android devices with an inferior ecosystem, inferior Apps, inferior developers and vastly inferior security. I hope the obscure use-case you require that somehow iOS can't do is worth throwing all the rest away.

this is one of the most embarrassing posts I've ever read on MacRumors.

Congratulations
 
Ah, playing the fanboy card when you don't like what someone says.

I simply state facts. Period. Nothing I post has anything to do with a company I like or dislike. It's the people who don't like what I post that start throwing labels around to try and dismiss what I say. Says more about them than me.

My iOS devices can do far more than your Android ones ever can. So your statement that iPhones are limited (an un-arguable fact, to use your own words) is simply an outright lie. They may do more for "you", but to state with absolute certainty they do more is simply wrong.

You enjoy your Android devices with an inferior ecosystem, inferior Apps, inferior developers and vastly inferior security. I hope the obscure use-case you require that somehow iOS can't do is worth throwing all the rest away.

Really? You're the first one to run your mouth and say someone's lying when you don't like what they post.

So, here's a list of "lies":
Can you have an iPhone come with a built-in stylus? No.
Can you access the filesystem on your iOS device? No.
Can you do split-screen multi-tasking on iPhone? No.
Can you install different themes on your iPhone? No.
Can you expand storage on your iPhone? No.
Can you combine widgets and app icons on your homescreen on iPhone? No.
Can you (easily) replace a battery on your iPhone? No.
Can you get an iPhone with wireless charging? No.
Can you charge your iPhone faster? No. (Don't know about the 7 though)
Can you backup files on iPhone with a simple drag and drop via USB? No.
Can I close all open apps with one click on iPhone? No.
Does iPhone have a dedicated back button? No.
Does iPhone have a dedicated app switcher button? No.
Does iPhone han non-proprietary connectors? No.

So, aside from press-and-pop and the Apple first-party integration thing, what exactly can I do with iPhone that I can't on Android devices?
 
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Meanwhile on Android
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That's irrelevant to this discussion. Google doesn't make the Android versions for each phone manufacturer and carrier. It provides an open source software that each company does whatever they want with and it's their sole decision whether to upgrade their customers or not.

A better chart would be of the Nexus phones since Google actually makes those phones.
 
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I think the more interesting part of this story is who are those 4.06% that are holding out?!
 
The hype is over, and in the real world - where people actually work with their computers and not just surf the web - you see less and less Macs these days. Yeah, I can hear the Adobe, Logic/Final Cut and Xcode crowd roaring, but folks - you are a minority and nobody else tries to use Macs anymore unless they are forced to.

To add insult to injury, Apple really seems to believe that an iPad can replace a notebook, so they don't even care about their notebooks anymore - they rather want you to spend more money on the inferior and heavily restricted iPad.

I think Xcode is the only reason why they even bother releasing new Macs every now and then.

Well said. Couldn't agree more, even if it means putting salt on my melancholy mood :-(
 
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1. Yes. You can absolutely use a file explorer in Android to look at the contents/files stored by an App.



Here is the folder for every app within my Nexus 5X. You can absolutely browse everything. Only root directory is not available to users. Though you can root the devices if you wanted to do.

2. I don't really care how much developer make. Lots of paid app on iOS is free with Android and developpers are getting paid by ad revenue. I don't care about ad. Also, I buy everything though Google Play. I haven't spend any money on iTunes. I hate walled garden, I will refuse spend any money on Apple's ecosystem.
Well you did say "spanked" in any category and when those categories were named, well the response above.:rolleyes:
 
That's irrelevant to this discussion. Google doesn't make the Android versions for each phone manufacturer and carrier. It provides an open source software that each company does whatever they want with and it's their sole decision whether to upgrade their customers or not.

A better chart would be of the Nexus phones since Google actually makes those phones.

Whoa. That's the biggest load of bs I've heard in a long time XD

Take a good look at the chart. Why do you think about half of Android users are still on dinky-stinky old Android 4.4 and below, which is already discountinued?
Why are there so few only on Android 5, which came out two years ago, and much less even on Android 6, which came out one year ago? Let's best not talk about Android 7, which came out over a month ago, but so far has been spotted less than the monster of Loch Ness XD (Now compare that to the adoption rate of iOS 10 right now).

For those a little slow on the uptake, the answer is very simple: All manufacturers have to purchase Android from Google. There's actually very little they can customise, and with each Android version, that becomes even less.

They further have to purchase any and all updates and fixes for all Android versions on all devices they have from Google. That's why you don't see that much updates for lower-end versions, it would simply become too costly for them with Google's greedy money-grubbing prices, which rise more to the ceiling all the time. Especially with new Android versions, prices for manufacturers are getting more and more exorbitant. On top of that, it takes a ridiculously long time until new Android versions become available for purchase in the first place.

Source code for Android also takes a long time to become available, and it comes with a huge disadvantage: it's entirely unsupported in any way, and you won't see any updates for it, at all. Basically, you would have to take it and start to create your own Android fork from scratch. Without any help from Google about how things work etc. Google wants to sell their Android packages, nothing else. So you'll have to find out everything on your own, all by yourself. You'll have to put an absurdly immense amount of money into a huge software research & development facility to get your Android fork off the ground, all by yourself, with no help whatsoever. It would take a year, at the very least, until you have a half-way workable and usable version out.
In the meantime, the competition in the fiercely contested Android market would be lightyears ahead of you, using Googles pre-build Android packages. It would take several years until your own Android build finally starts to pay out, and until then, you'd only have massive losses. No manufacturer in the Android market can afford that, not even the biggest one, Samsung. So they all purchase the pre-built packages from Google, even if they have to pay heavily through the nose for them, as well as for any and all updates, and the prices only get ever more wicked with every Android release.
 
The hype is over, and in the real world - where people actually work with their computers and not just surf the web - you see less and less Macs these days. Yeah, I can hear the Adobe, Logic/Final Cut and Xcode crowd roaring, but folks - you are a minority and nobody else tries to use Macs anymore unless they are forced to.


The problem that many people have in tech these days, is a chronic short term memory. If you look at the history of Powerbook to MacBook releases, they are spot on target for a full refresh of the line. They have maintained the same yearly speed-bump schedule, and are within 9 months of their normally scheduled brand New Macbook line.

Powerbook G3 - 1997
PowerBook G4 Ti- 2001
Powerbook G4 Al- 2003
MacBook Pro - 2006 (essentially a Powerbook G4 case with intel guts and iSight)
MacBook Pro unibody - 2008
Retina Macbook Pro - 2012
Rumored New Macbook - 2016

I would also like to see your evidence of less overall Macs. Considering you are not a fan of Apple products, I suspect you don't notice them in the wild. I am not a fan of (nor do I dislike) silver Nissan Sedans, but I also couldn't tell you how many I may have passed by during my 20 mile commute.


To add insult to injury, Apple really seems to believe that an iPad can replace a notebook, so they don't even care about their notebooks anymore - they rather want you to spend more money on the inferior and heavily restricted iPad.

I think Xcode is the only reason why they even bother releasing new Macs every now and then.

Where is your data on this?

They have continued to update the BacBook Pro line, and refreshed the MacBook line in April. Everything else is definitely overdue, but we are talking by a couple of months, not Years. Also, When was the last time you ever saw a TV spot on the Mac or the iPad? If anything, I would say they are pushing the phone over anything else these days.

If you are attempting to put up a Steve Job's RDS, it ain't working, well, not on me that is ;) .
 
iPhone 6S+ here and running 9.3.5 . It's faster and not all my frequently used apps got their iOS 10 compatibility yet.
Faster by how much?

I assume you tried and tested these apps on both versions of iOS before you downgraded back to 9.3.5?

In my experience, for all but 3 applications, 10 is significantly faster, especially on re-opening applications that are in standby.
 
Meanwhile on Android
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Meanwhile all Nexus users are on Nougat upgrading and downgrading as they wish while all iOS users with old devices are stuck on laggy software with no way to downgrade to escape from planned obsolescence from forced upgrades
 
Faster by how much?

I assume you tried and tested these apps on both versions of iOS before you downgraded back to 9.3.5?

In my experience, for all but 3 applications, 10 is significantly faster, especially on re-opening applications that are in standby.

I have not installed iOS 10 yet , I only wrote from my experience with previous releases where, with each iteration of the OS, the general speed decreased by a little (if using the same device) and a bunch of apps (though rarer and happened fewer and fewer in the past few years) broke due to not having 100 compatibility with the OS.
 
Meanwhile all Nexus users are on Nougat upgrading and downgrading as they wish while all iOS users with old devices are stuck on laggy software with no way to downgrade to escape from planned obsolescence from forced upgrades
Seems like people can still downgrade to iOS 9.

And even by your own words iOS 10 is supposedly better/faster than iOS 9.
 
Seems like people can still downgrade to iOS 9.

And even by your own words iOS 10 is supposedly better/faster than iOS 9.

For how long though?Soon as 10.1 releases its curtains for iOS 9

Can you downgrade from iOS 10 to iOS 8.4.1 which is THE best iOS for iPhone 6?There you go
 
For how long though?Soon as 10.1 releases its curtains for iOS 9

Can you downgrade from iOS 10 to iOS 8.4.1 which is THE best iOS for iPhone 6?There you go

Yeah, my iPhone 6 is way faster with iOS 10 then iOS 8..
 
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