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iOS 11.3 Will Allow iPhone Users to View Battery Health and Disable Apple's Power Management This Spring
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Options lead to people crying that their phones crashed, which lead to asinine lawsuits.
Not give option to people also leads to lawsuits. If Apple uses quality battery which won't need replace in 2 years, then all these can be avoid right?
Apple can also let people know that phone with degrade battery will be shutdown unexpectedly. Simple message will do.
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I don't have iPhone X nor i am interested getting one. Only Apple product that i am interested is iPad and I already brought an iPad Pro.
My thoughts exactly. Reading the comments on these threads, it seems like no one has realised the feature will cause unexpected shutdowns.
I would Like to see the lawsuits force them to change their battery test parameters to be closer to their throttling parameters. Right now my 13 month battery shutdown at 60 percent charge as the weather was In The 40sF. Yet AppleCare said my battery was in good health so if not for the current lawsuits, I would not be able to replace battery through them.
Edit: that is my preferred choice. Other choice is to price iPhone as price * 1 yr fast speed usage plus other features + price * 2 years usage at 2 generations back. Means for me that I would only buy phone roughly 1 1/2 generations old with new battery unless new features were so compelling that worth the extra cash.
Edit 2; if enough of us vote with wallet and refuse to pay the high prices, they will make it more compelling to upgrade.
Edit: that is my preferred choice. Other choice is to price iPhone as price * 1 yr fast speed usage plus other features + price * 2 years usage at 2 generations back. Means for me that I would only buy phone roughly 1 1/2 generations old with new battery unless new features were so compelling that worth the extra cash.
Edit 2; if enough of us vote with wallet and refuse to pay the high prices, they will make it more compelling to upgrade.
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Okay Mr. Watson, I think we got it. You have no clue.
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It would have been enough if they made the battery exchange free for all, one time only. After that they should stop doing whatever they are doing that the batteries suddenly get more and more hammered in the first place (slow down the iPhone by 5% and release it like that if that would avoid killing the battery). No one wants a fast phone for only 1 year or so, it's just wrong.
That would indeed be enough.
hundred of lawsuits? Nah...it took a 13 year old on reddit..........
Can’t wait to see the forum loaded with ‘my phone keeps shutting down’ complaints
Come on everyone.
You know what Apple is like at hiding info, and not wishing to give it's users much "tech" info on hardware as they wish to hide all the how it works stuff.
You can bet that this is going to be some very limited, but pretty looking, dumbed down info display.
I'd love to be proved wrong and it will give very detailed info on the battery, it's power, it's health, it's life etc etc
You know what Apple is like at hiding info, and not wishing to give it's users much "tech" info on hardware as they wish to hide all the how it works stuff.
You can bet that this is going to be some very limited, but pretty looking, dumbed down info display.
I'd love to be proved wrong and it will give very detailed info on the battery, it's power, it's health, it's life etc etc
You know, before all the hullabaloo, I paid attention to how long my phone stayed charged. When it was noticeably less, I went for a battery replacement. Having more info is great, and a help, but the level of angst demonstrated in this thread and similar is just ridiculous to me.
If this is going to happen then people will finally agree that the power management feature was the right thing to do. Personally I think that in the long term this is going to benefit everyone. In the end Apple has learned something from this unpleasant experience and the customers will learn too after they'll see the advantages and disadvantages of playing with the battery power management toggle.
I completely agree with everything you’ve said. Unfortunately, I suspect Apple doesn’t want to give the user information on throttling or random unexpected shut-down history because it would increase the user’s case for qualifying for a warranty replacement or cheap (at cost?) replacement from Apple under this new program. At least in the case of shut-downs I’d encourage the user to try to keep records themselves.
I can see it becoming Apple policy that where a user does not have throttling enabled and is experiencing poor battery life or random shut-downs Apple’s response will simply be to advise the user to turn throttling on. This would follow the pattern of their previous (maddening) behaviour where if you went in for poor battery life and it managed to pass Apple’s inadequate battery test that appears not to consider these factors they’d suggest turning off features, thereby limiting the performance or usefulness of the phone.
I can’t emphasise enough that this would be a woefully inadequate policy response if Apple truly does care about user experience and getting the best and maximum use out of an expensive pocketable computer as possible. They should never refuse replacement for a battery that has > 500 cycles and/or is experiencing problems as they have in my case in the past, and throttling performance is not an acceptable solution, especially for a barely 1 year-old phone.
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Apple is never about giving the customers all of the options. Apple believes in “simplicity”, so in a lot of situations it just wants to make decisions for its customers, without adding an option to further confuse them. This case can easily fall into that category, it just happen to have triggered a lot of hysteria, out of a lot of people’s surprise.
You can still get a new battery replacement even if your iphone’s Battery passes it’s test genius.
i've posted this story about a zillion times but here goes again. paid $79 to have the battery in my iphone6 replaced in march 2017. everything was fine until i installed ios11, at which point my phone became unbearably slow. when this news came out, i used CpuDasherX and Geekbench4 to prove that my phone was throttled.
i also have 2 other iphone6 in the family that were never upgraded to os11. when CpuDasherX became compatible with ios10, i installed it on those phones and checked. guess what, they are throttled too. but the difference is, they are only throttled to 1100Mhz even with very low state of charge. on my phone running ios11, once the battery drops below 80%, i'm either at 840MHz or 600Mhz. the phone's lag correlates with the low CPU frequencies.
so - either i have a completely defective battery that's less than a year old, or apple became much more aggressive with the iphone6 throttling on ios11. the ios10 iphone6 have original batteries and they never randomly shut down. however they are throttling in ios10 is mild, and apparently is enough to prevent shutdowns even on really old batteries.
my opinion is that apple have used the battery degradation as cover to overthrottle old phones so that people go out and buy new ones.
i have been waiting 2 weeks for a replacement battery for my phone. i think apple may have turfed my order for a new battery based on a support chat i had tonight. that doesn't help matters at all.
i also have 2 other iphone6 in the family that were never upgraded to os11. when CpuDasherX became compatible with ios10, i installed it on those phones and checked. guess what, they are throttled too. but the difference is, they are only throttled to 1100Mhz even with very low state of charge. on my phone running ios11, once the battery drops below 80%, i'm either at 840MHz or 600Mhz. the phone's lag correlates with the low CPU frequencies.
so - either i have a completely defective battery that's less than a year old, or apple became much more aggressive with the iphone6 throttling on ios11. the ios10 iphone6 have original batteries and they never randomly shut down. however they are throttling in ios10 is mild, and apparently is enough to prevent shutdowns even on really old batteries.
my opinion is that apple have used the battery degradation as cover to overthrottle old phones so that people go out and buy new ones.
i have been waiting 2 weeks for a replacement battery for my phone. i think apple may have turfed my order for a new battery based on a support chat i had tonight. that doesn't help matters at all.
If you have a source for these "quality" batteries, why aren't you a billionaire? What are you doing posting ignorant comments on a web site?
That's what Apple claimed would happen, but it has yet to be seen firsthand. We'll know if it's bullocks or not once this feature is released.
It’s it excusable to buy into outcry though. For years Apple didn’t bow to pressure and then suddenly things are changing. A lot of people don’t like it.
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Nobody uses “quality” batteries as you call them. Android batteries don’t last long either.
I don't care about shutdowns. I don't want my phone to slow down. End of story.
Had to hide that throttle
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Then I go and buy a new battery not a new phone. Because a company that is as moral Apple claims, hides this from the population hoping for more phone sales. A simple pop up stating that your battery needs service. But that would have hurt new phone sales.And after you turn it off and your phones shuts down completely, post your scores then
Oh that’s right moral are only when it looks good to the public, not sales numbers.
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And then I’ll buy a new battery. Knowing that Apple will try to cover up battery shortcomings. Yes battery’s degrade not like Apple battery’s do. Hell Apple claims 1000 cycles for the watch battery. Why not the phone battery?
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Problem is he’s right. Deny it all you want. Apple pulls battery stats from iOS. Bans 3rd party battery apps. Clearly afraid this throttle would become public knowledge.
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion on the subject, I just think it's time to move on. Crying to forums will do you no good. Take action with your wallet and don't buy Apple products.
Well, if your Bluetooth keyboard did the work a cellphone does, that dollar store battery wouldn't last long at all.
Do you also assume that a $100,000 car should get three times the gas mileage as a $30,000 car? No, you'd probably understand that "it depends." It depends on whether the vehicles are designed for energy efficiency or high speed/acceleration. It depends on electric vs. gas vs. gas-electric hybrid. It depends on power-to-weight ratio, the cost and weight of body work and upholstery, passenger and cargo capacity, even the distance-between-fillup/charge capacity of the fuel tank/battery (and the resulting weight that must be moved)... Generally, people pay more for stuff because it has "more" - greater comfort, better fit-and-finish, sexy materials, speed, durability, perceived (and measured) quality, status/brand name, desirability, enthusiastic media reviews... And other people may find a more sensibly-priced product if they care less about some of those characteristics.
Nobody should buy a product (or choose a mate) expecting that it be something that it is not. Did Apple ever say, "Our batteries last more years than their batteries?" No? Then why should you expect it, considering how persuasive a selling point that would be, if Apple were to claim it?
Battery life is (primarily) not a function of "quality," it's a function of work load and chemistry. Different battery types have different characteristics. A lead-acid battery would last longer before degradation, but it's not practical to have an acid-filled wet-cell sloshing around in your pocket (even the sealed variety). A one-time-use carbon-zinc or alkaline has higher energy density (longer life) than a rechargeable NiCad, but the long-term costs are higher than rechargeables. NiCads have characteristics that lead to far poorer performance and useful life than rechargeable lithium ion batteries... Lithium ion batteries are the most expensive to make....
While it's possible to have poorly-made batteries of any sort, it's short-sighted for a company like Apple to buy cheap when your cost of warranty repair/replacement is high. "Poor quality" may lead to shorter lifespan, but it also leads to premature failure. While I doubt Apple buys gold-plated batteries (at least, I haven't seen any gold), they're not going to cut corners if it means they have to make good during the two-year term of an iPhone's AppleCare contract, or the three-year term of a MacBook Pro's AppleCare contract. And with many countries having consumer laws that extend manufacturer responsibility well beyond the one-year life of the manufacturer warranty... there's little or no incentive to use "crap batteries."
