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I set up iPads and iPhone son a daily basis and have become accustom to the questions you get asked.

This setup is no shorter or easier it still asks you about Touch ID, analytics, Siri and iCloud backup. Plus you have to pick up your phone and scan the screen.

They're all the same questions we have now.

After you're done though I don't believe you will need to enter your email and wifi passwords etc like you do now. All of that stuff should be auto transferred. I think that is pretty huge.
 
It's about time.
Android users have been doing similar stuff for years.
They've also been dragging and dropping files for years.
OS 11 will be very cool. Can't wait.
 
Bringing back the ability to transfer and restore apps in iTunes would be the biggest thing for me. It used to take me no more than 15 minutes to transfer to a new iOS device. Now it takes me about 30 hours on my connection due to the silly change that enforces all apps are redownloaded.

Yes I know lots of people were wasting diskspace syncing apps to the computer that just stayed their outdated but for those of us who knew what they were doing and have terrible internet connections it would be great if we didn't need to re-download 30 gigs worth of apps every time we restore...

So any improvements to the setup process to make life easier for existing iPhone users is welcome.
There was a perfect solution back in iOS 8 and before, where app was restored only from iTunes, not App Store. Then, Apple took away that feature in iOS 9, and never took back, for a pathetic reason: keep app up to date.
There is a huge disadvantage for this method: once app is not in App Store, and you don’t have local app backup, your favorite app will be gone forever. I have two apps that actively using but gone in App Store forever (cannot even be found in purchase section). Without local backup, I will never be able to use those two apps again.
 
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I'm still missing what big steps this is saving you, aside from entering a few passwords. I thought when the feature was announced it would eliminate the need for a backup by simply moving one device's contents to another, like from an iPad to a new iPad. But this example shows an iPhone restoring an iPad, plus the iCloud back was still used. Maybe the two-step verification for your iCloud account was also made simpler.
 
Bringing back the ability to transfer and restore apps in iTunes would be the biggest thing for me. It used to take me no more than 15 minutes to transfer to a new iOS device. Now it takes me about 30 hours on my connection due to the silly change that enforces all apps are redownloaded.

Yes I know lots of people were wasting diskspace syncing apps to the computer that just stayed their outdated but for those of us who knew what they were doing and have terrible internet connections it would be great if we didn't need to re-download 30 gigs worth of apps every time we restore...

I think that Apple changed the way in which apps are installed - the binaries are now customized for the platform, making them smaller. That may be why you have to re-download them.
 
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And restoring from backup can bring bugs, especially when jumping between major os versions and to different devices.
While transferring (new feature) between 2 different devices is bug free (plus the fact that one device has to be update from an older version to iOS 11) ?

Doubt it's less risky then restoring from backup which is already proven through various iOS iterations.
 
It would be good if you could back up iOS devices in full with Time Machine to an Airport Time Capsule (discontinued - thanks Apple) or similar. Maybe you can, but I don't know how?

It’s not discontinued.. Stop using online rumours as some sort of trustworthy source.
 
I think that Apple changed the way in which apps are installed - the binaries are now customized for the platform, making them smaller. That may be why you have to re-download them.
However, apples attempt to save space does not work well in Asian market, where app data is downloaded separately from another server. App size is around 70MB to 150MB, where download data size varies from 500MB to 3GB.
This shows Apple does not fully understand cultures other than US culture.
 
Correct me if I’m wrong.. but apart from being faster for transferring info, and not transferring any bugs you might have, what benefits does this have?

-An iCloud restore will copy everything over.
-This includes your passwords if you have used iCloud Keychain.
-This transfer app (from what I can see in the video) doesn’t transfer everything..
 
So basically it gets you through Setup Assistant faster. The same setup keys are still there. Only things I saw are that it copies your Wi-Fi password (nice), Apple Pay cards (very nice, but assuming you still have to verify w/ bank), diagnostic and privacy settings (saves a few taps). Does it copy your fingerprints or simply offer to enroll on the new device?
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I find it funny Apple has to do this with some quirky qr code scanning with the camera. Why not use that NFC chip?
That NFC chip is only in iPhone 7 or later. iPad does not have NFC, nor does iPod touch.
 
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So basically it gets you through Setup Assistant faster. The same setup keys are still there. Only things I saw are that it copies your Wi-Fi password (nice), Apple Pay cards (very nice, but assuming you still have to verify w/ bank), diagnostic and privacy settings (saves a few taps). Does it copy your fingerprints or simply offer to enroll on the new device?
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That NFC chip is only in iPhone 7 or later. iPad does not have NFC, nor does iPod touch.

How does Apple Pay work on the 6 and 6S if not over NFC? Or is that a dumbed down NFC chip?
 
Bringing back the ability to transfer and restore apps in iTunes would be the biggest thing for me. It used to take me no more than 15 minutes to transfer to a new iOS device. Now it takes me about 30 hours on my connection due to the silly change that enforces all apps are redownloaded.

Yes I know lots of people were wasting diskspace syncing apps to the computer that just stayed their outdated but for those of us who knew what they were doing and have terrible internet connections it would be great if we didn't need to re-download 30 gigs worth of apps every time we restore...

There was a perfect solution back in iOS 8 and before, where app was restored only from iTunes, not App Store. Then, Apple took away that feature in iOS 9, and never took back, for a pathetic reason: keep app up to date.
There is a huge disadvantage for this method: once app is not in App Store, and you don’t have local app backup, your favorite app will be gone forever. I have two apps that actively using but gone in App Store forever (cannot even be found in purchase section). Without local backup, I will never be able to use those two apps again.

They will bring it back eventually.

They likely stopped it because they did not have the resources to get it all working with the move to bitcode and app slicing etc.


I do agree that it is a huge PITA though
 
Now if only they could figure out how to speed up restoring all your apps while you stand in the Apple Store.

Show of hands: who has had to stand in Apple (or Verizon or Sprint etc) and wait and wait and wait for their overcrowded WiFi to redownload all their apps?

This was me on Sunday, after 30 minutes I cancelled it and just waited until I got home and restored from iTunes.
 
Now if only they could figure out how to speed up restoring all your apps while you stand in the Apple Store.

Show of hands: who has had to stand in Apple (or Verizon or Sprint etc) and wait and wait and wait for their overcrowded WiFi to redownload all their apps?

Keep your hand raised if you wish you could prioritize which apps download first, so you could at least have your most needed apps before you leave the store, rather than seeing it download The Elements or GTA San Andreas instead of the Gmail app.

Raise your hand if you like to do all of this at home.
I just tell the Apple Store person helping me that I'll take care of setup after I get home.

I prefer doing it home as well. If there's an issue with the phone, I can return it to an Apple Store 30 minutes away. However, I can understand how some people may need some "hand-holding" until their iPhone is set up properly. I would imagine most of the people coming here wouldn't fit in that category.
 
They will bring it back eventually.

They likely stopped it because they did not have the resources to get it all working with the move to bitcode and app slicing etc.


I do agree that it is a huge PITA though
Will they? Even the latest “offload app” is based on assumption that app is still available at App Store.
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Now if only they could figure out how to speed up restoring all your apps while you stand in the Apple Store.

Show of hands: who has had to stand in Apple (or Verizon or Sprint etc) and wait and wait and wait for their overcrowded WiFi to redownload all their apps?

Keep your hand raised if you wish you could prioritize which apps download first, so you could at least have your most needed apps before you leave the store, rather than seeing it download The Elements or GTA San Andreas instead of the Gmail app.
I think you can 3D touch the app icons to prioritize them during the restore process.
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I thought you could 3D Touch on an app while it's downloading and prioritize it or pause it.
Yeah, pretty sure you can.

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/06/28/ios-10-prioritize-downloads/
 
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