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Your sarcasm is misplaced. If you wanted to turn off the reminders you could have. Why don't you turn off this incessant criticism?

Very happy to see you explain how they can be turned off (as well as the iOS installer auto downloading randomly in the background) *grabs popcorn*
 
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I run High Sierra and iOS 12, so I'm not sure if you are suggesting there is a reason they are incompatible...
According to Apple Support and my experience, High Sierra will not recognize the iPhone with iOS 12. My iTunes sees no phone and Photos sees the phone but shows no photos. What is your expereince?
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What does this mean? Does iOS not integrate with High Sierra?
Correct. See my reply to the other member.
 
Although 70% is good, I also believe a small chunk of that is auto downloads on Wi-fi but NOT installed, just deleted, because for whatever reason users choose not to.

In addition, or alternatively, they could be actual numbers..
 
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According to Apple Support and my experience, High Sierra will not recognize the iPhone with iOS 12. My iTunes sees no phone and Photos sees the phone but shows no photos. What is your expereince?
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Correct. See my reply to the other member.
I'm not sure where you got that information, but iTunes under High Sierra does see iOS 12 devices. You might need to update iTunes.
 
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Although 70% is good, I also believe a small chunk of that is auto downloads on Wi-fi but NOT installed, just deleted, because for whatever reason users choose not to.

In addition, or alternatively, they could be actual numbers..
I would tend to believe that Apple knows the difference between installed and downloaded. This it's data coming directly from Apple. They have no reason to lie and every reason to tell the truth.
 
Congratulations to the 30% of iOS users who persevere through the constant nagging attempts to force the update on them.


I am one of the 9% persevere crowd, sticking with the Sierra/iOS 10 platform because of the way I like to use an old iTunes to sync the old way. By now it's a mechanical habit to dance around the annoying update trap without falling in.
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Although 70% is good, I also believe a small chunk of that is auto downloads on Wi-fi but NOT installed, just deleted, because for whatever reason users choose not to.

In addition, or alternatively, they could be actual numbers..

That would be misleading statistics, to count the download as an installation. I delete that update every time it shows up.
 
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Why does it seem like Apple is deliberately killing off old iPhones?
https://matadornetwork.com/read/why-does-apple-kill-off-old-iphones/
And yet more people are finding their older phones working better with iOS 12. So much for that.

(There's also https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/06/gruber-joswiak-talk-show-live/.)
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Although 70% is good, I also believe a small chunk of that is auto downloads on Wi-fi but NOT installed, just deleted, because for whatever reason users choose not to.

In addition, or alternatively, they could be actual numbers..

I would tend to believe that Apple knows the difference between installed and downloaded. This it's data coming directly from Apple. They have no reason to lie and every reason to tell the truth.

I am one of the 9% persevere crowd, sticking with the Sierra/iOS 10 platform because of the way I like to use an old iTunes to sync the old way. By now it's a mechanical habit to dance around the annoying update trap without falling in.
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That would be misleading statistics, to count the download as an installation. I delete that update every time it shows up.
These statistics are generally measured by seeing what version of iOS is running on devices that visit the App Store over a certain period of time.
 
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Why does it seem like Apple is deliberately killing off old iPhones?
https://matadornetwork.com/read/why-does-apple-kill-off-old-iphones/
That article is over a year old. Apple has reversed course since then. iOS12 has breathed new life into older phones. My iPhone 6 is now usable with iOS12 whereas it was excruciating with iOS11.

Apple is basically making phones that can last 4 to 5 years now. New iPhones can expect around 5 to 7 versions of iOS. My iPhone 6 came with iOS8 and can run iOS12. That's 5 versions. I'd expect the 6S to get more due to having 2GB of RAM.

Apple isn't interested in "bricking" old iPhones anymore.
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These statistics are generally measured by seeing what version of iOS is running on devices that visit the App Store over a certain period of time.
As Apple is the only provider of iOS certificates, I would imagine that they would have better (more accurate) methods in determining iOS adoption rates than by checking App Store visitors.
 
As Apple is the only provider of iOS certificates, I would imagine that they would have better (more accurate) methods in determining iOS adoption rates than by checking App Store visitors.
But that's basically how they do it (especially given that these stats are basically aimed at app developers to give them a better idea of the type of devices that actually visit the App Store): https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/

(Google does it for Android in a similar fashion as well: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/.)
 
That article is over a year old. Apple has reversed course since then. iOS12 has breathed new life into older phones. My iPhone 6 is now usable with iOS12 whereas it was excruciating with iOS11.

Apple is basically making phones that can last 4 to 5 years now. New iPhones can expect around 5 to 7 versions of iOS. My iPhone 6 came with iOS8 and can run iOS12. That's 5 versions. I'd expect the 6S to get more due to having 2GB of RAM.

Apple isn't interested in "bricking" old iPhones anymore.
That is beside the point that it made many people upgrade to newer phones whether it's now or a year ago. Hence more people on iOS 12.
 
That is beside the point that it made many people upgrade to newer phones whether it's now or a year ago. Hence more people on iOS 12.
More people are on iOS 12 because they have newer phones? Or perhaps more people because more with older devices updated to iOS 12?
 
But that's basically how they do it (especially given that these stats are basically aimed at app developers to give them a better idea of the type of devices that actually visit the App Store): https://developer.apple.com/support/app-store/

(Google does it for Android in a similar fashion as well: https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/.)
I stand corrected. I didn't see that note under the pie chart.
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That is beside the point that it made many people upgrade to newer phones whether it's now or a year ago. Hence more people on iOS 12.
When you put that way, I can see your point. Perhaps that is the reason for higher iOS12 adoption rates.
 
Thats what happens when you don't overcharge for a product....... *snickers*
If Tim Cook had his way, he'd start charging $500 to do an iOS update since you aren't as likely to pay the hardware upgrade tax every year anymore
Why would Tim do that? $500 for an upgrade would ensure no one would upgrade. Leaving them with functional phones for years. Have you forgotten that the “free” iOS updates are just a clandestine means to slow down your hardware and a license to print money?

Apple deliberately and malicious introduces glitches, studders, and slows performance with each update. They make it super easy to upgrade, accidentally upgrade, or even just fool you into enabling automatic upgrades. If you don't they just nag the hell out of you - with no way disable upgrade notices. And once your upgraded, like it or not, wanted it or not, it is IMPOSSIBLE to downgrade!

Of course, they primarily target older phones to give the illusion that they aren't capable anymore - hence fooling the pleb sheeple into buying the next model year phone (or maybe last gen).
 
Congratulations to the 30% of iOS users who persevere through the constant nagging attempts to force the update on them.
You seem to assume that everyone of us in that 30% even have devices compatible with iOS 12.
 
Why would Tim do that? $500 for an upgrade would ensure no one would upgrade. Leaving them with functional phones for years. Have you forgotten that the “free” iOS updates are just a clandestine means to slow down your hardware and a license to print money?

Apple deliberately and malicious introduces glitches, studders, and slows performance with each update. They make it super easy to upgrade, accidentally upgrade, or even just fool you into enabling automatic upgrades. If you don't they just nag the hell out of you - with no way disable upgrade notices. And once your upgraded, like it or not, wanted it or not, it is IMPOSSIBLE to downgrade!

Of course, they primarily target older phones to give the illusion that they aren't capable anymore - hence fooling the pleb sheeple into buying the next model year phone (or maybe last gen).
There is no unnecessary hyperbole in this post. :rolleyes: Do you have a number on how many “pleb sheep” were fooled?

iOS 12 should have dispelled the myth about p/o.
 
I worry we have to go through another 3 - 4 years cycle before iOS stabilise again, Swift 5.0 release should mean they start their massive scale rewrite in iOS 13.
 
iOS11 on 85%, iOS10 on 10% as of 9/4/18
iOS12 on 63%, iOS11 on 30% as of 10/29/18 (at least 2% iOS10, and 5% other)
iOS12 on 70%, iOS11 on 21% as of 12/3/18 (at least 4% iOS10, and 5% other)
...so this last set of numbers is kind of weird because the non-iOS 12/11 increased from 7% to 9%.
 
This isn’t 70%. This is 70% of devices sold in the last four years.

It’s like saying “health has significantly improved. 90% of the people born in the last 20 years don’t have diabetes”.

This is particularly interesting, because apple themselves pointed out Android fragmentation just a few years ago. Now they’re in the same boat.

Whats the real data on iOS fragmentation? What percentage of iDevices run on iOS 12?

According to this, about half. https://www.statista.com/statistics/565270/apple-devices-ios-version-share-worldwide/ (and even this is biased, because it's only the devices accessing the App Store.) I guess, it's more somewhere around the 40% range.
 
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