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70% of all devices would indeed be a major achievement. Where do the other services get their data and why is it so different?
 
And how is that important when new iPhone models are overpriced and unaffordable?
It's meaningful to developers, who that information is basically for.

Not sure what pricing of new models has to do with any of it really (and seems like plenty of people are still buying them anyway).
 
There is no unnecessary hyperbole in this post. :rolleyes: Do you have a number on how many “pleb sheep” were fooled?

iOS 12 should have dispelled the myth about p/o.
Hey thanks for recognizing it as a poe post! :)

Let’s be honest here though - planned obsolecance *isn’t* dispelled. This is easy. If there is no conspiracy re-sign all iOS. Let an 5S owner re-install iOS 7. Allow iPhone 5, 4S, 4 to return to the ‘promised’ land of iOS 6.

iOS 12 acting zippy? Call this just a feign. Just say “Oh. Well Apple got caught redhanded with battery ‘power management’ in iOS 11.” They *have* to chill out for a little bit to let that blow over. Show some “good faith” which is really just removing the malicious code. But, don’t worry iOS 13 will bring it all back. If they dont slowly reintroduce it all in 12.1.1, 12.2, and 12.3, etc.

I mean those iPhone 10s, 10s Max, and 10r aren't selling themselves. So perfect time to put the screws to the customers. They need to sell those phones! Besides, poor ol’ Timmy C needs a new mega yacht.

You see how super easy it is to formulate your own cockamamie justification that can't be challenged?Challenging Planned Obsolescence just makes you a zealot, fanboi, breathless defender, or “lol ur too dumb to see”.

Or — maybe Apple has honestly turned a new leaf. iOS 12 represents an end on the software side. But, they’re still not designing user repairable phones. Where is the *headphone* jack? The user replaceable batteries? An SD card slot? U seen the S10 Galaxy? Apple still cripples their hardware. They need the hardware to be crippled to sell you the upgrade to new hardware later! Duh!

Is P/O really a myth? Or they just hiding it in plain sight, laying low to hide. They’ve spent so much on developing this system to bring in billions. They’re just going to voluntarily disband it out of the goodness of their heart?
 
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Let’s be honest here though - planned obsolecance *isn’t* dispelled. This is easy. If there is no conspiracy re-sign all iOS. Let an 5S owner re-install iOS 7. Allow iPhone 5, 4S, 4 to return to the ‘promised’ land of iOS 6.
And yet the reverse of that doesn't mean that there's a conspiracy.
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This shows how much damage the shoddy iOS 11 did. People began to be more wary of updating their device.
What shows that?
 
The only release in a long time with no planned obsolescence and with the declining sales it’s a safe bet that iOS 13 may not replicate this so better get on the iOS 12 train before its discontinued.
 
And yet the reverse of that doesn't mean that there's a conspiracy.
So those iPhone 4S destroyed by iOS 7 didnt sell any extra future iPhone? 4S wasnt the only phone left with a terrible “last” version. Besides, you actually can take certain iPhone 4S legit back to iOS 6 with Apple’s own official signing blessing. No jailbreak, no SHSH blobs, etc

The phone will be way faster, but guess what? So few modern iOS apps support it. Since Apple aggressively pushes developers forward. Not the case with Android.
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The only release in a long time with no planned obsolescence and with the declining sales it’s a safe bet that iOS 13 may not replicate this so better get on the iOS 12 train before its discontinued.
By the way - my ‘support’ of “planned obsolescence” isn’t legit. More so an exposure of how convenient the arguments for it are. The only reason P/O isn’t assigned to iOS 12 is because the argument *for* it isn't convenient. Not that it doesn't exist or wasn't included.

Planned Obsolescence is predicated on not being able to prove it. i.e. you just point to something and say PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!!!
 
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the area in UK where i live only just got 3g and 4g up and running properly.
 
So those iPhone 4S destroyed by iOS 7 didnt sell any extra future iPhone? 4S wasnt the only phone left with a terrible “last” version. Besides, you actually can take certain iPhone 4S legit back to iOS 6 with Apple’s own official signing blessing. No jailbreak, no SHSH blobs, etc

The phone will be way faster, but guess what? So few modern iOS apps support it. Since Apple aggressively pushes developers forward. Not the case with Android.
[doublepost=1543995756][/doublepost]By the way - my ‘support’ of “planned obsolescence” isn’t legit. More so an exposure of how convenient the arguments for it are. The only reason P/O isn’t assigned to iOS 12 is because the argument *for* it isn't convenient. Not that it doesn't exist or wasn't included.

Planned Obsolescence is predicated on not being able to prove it. i.e. you just point to something and say PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE!!!
The lack of proof is the proof...seems like that speaks for itself.
 
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See? Apple can still make really good software if they try. I think going forward we'll be on a tick-tock cycle with lots of new features and small bug fixes in iOS 13 and lots of bug and performance fixes with a few small features in iOS 14.
The problem is that iOS 11 was also a featurless release.
 
iOS [new] adoption is outpacing iOS [previous] ...

Upon each new iOS release a similar article is published. No matter what the adoption metric shows, there's always a spin to its interpretation. I hardly see Apple commenting on the numbers, contrary to the community.

To me the iOS adoption number is like measuring NPS: it's a biased number used by execs to measure their singular view of success.
As long as the iOS update mechanism bullies the user to update, adoption numbers hide a lot of distractors.
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Apple: please add a "skip this version" option!
 
This isn’t 70%. This is 70% of devices sold in the last four years.

It’s like saying “health has significantly improved. 90% of the people born in the last 20 years don’t have diabetes”.

This is particularly interesting, because apple themselves pointed out Android fragmentation just a few years ago. Now they’re in the same boat.

Whats the real data on iOS fragmentation? What percentage of iDevices run on iOS 12?

According to this, about half. https://www.statista.com/statistics/565270/apple-devices-ios-version-share-worldwide/ (and even this is biased, because it's only the devices accessing the App Store.) I guess, it's more somewhere around the 40% range.

72% of devices sold in the last four years are running iOS 12

70% of all devices are running iOS 12
 
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When the mafia is knocking on your door and “recommending” you upgrade, you know they’ll never stop and the suggestion isn’t really a suggestion.

That’s how I view their notification to upgrade to the latest IOS. You can’t make it go away.
 
When the mafia is knocking on your door and “recommending” you upgrade, you know they’ll never stop and the suggestion isn’t really a suggestion.

That’s how I view their notification to upgrade to the latest IOS. You can’t make it go away.

Having the user base on the latest version of the OS means developers can feel confident to create apps that take advantage of the latest features.

The majority of us want apps that take advantage of everything in iOS, so we don't mind if Apple has to prod the laggards in the back to keep up.

This is especially true for iOS 12 which improves performance on older devices.
 
Upon each new iOS release a similar article is published. No matter what the adoption metric shows, there's always a spin to its interpretation. I hardly see Apple commenting on the numbers, contrary to the community.

To me the iOS adoption number is like measuring NPS: it's a biased number used by execs to measure their singular view of success.
As long as the iOS update mechanism bullies the user to update, adoption numbers hide a lot of distractors.
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Apple: please add a "skip this version" option!
The stats are there for app developers.
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That's a lifehack-y user solution, not an OS native toggle to switch such notifications on/off like @PhillyProf alluded to. I've raised it with Apple Support more than once and they agreed there is no native way (pre iOS 12) to switch them off or stop the installer auto downloading in the background. Their only recommendation is to install 12.
I was simply referring to how someone can accomplish it if that is something that they actually wanted to do.
 
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The problem is that iOS 11 was also a featurless release.
The problem is everyone is running out of non-gimmicky features to add because most useful features that people use have already been added. There isn't a lot of fruit—either high hanging, or low hanging—left to grab. That's not to say we won't see new features and improvements over time, just that we can't expect to see the same breakneck pace of development as when phones and tablets were lightyears behind computers.
 
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Hey thanks for recognizing it as a poe post! :)

Let’s be honest here though - planned obsolecance *isn’t* dispelled. This is easy. If there is no conspiracy re-sign all iOS. Let an 5S owner re-install iOS 7. Allow iPhone 5, 4S, 4 to return to the ‘promised’ land of iOS 6.

iOS 12 acting zippy? Call this just a feign. Just say “Oh. Well Apple got caught redhanded with battery ‘power management’ in iOS 11.” They *have* to chill out for a little bit to let that blow over. Show some “good faith” which is really just removing the malicious code. But, don’t worry iOS 13 will bring it all back. If they dont slowly reintroduce it all in 12.1.1, 12.2, and 12.3, etc.

I mean those iPhone 10s, 10s Max, and 10r aren't selling themselves. So perfect time to put the screws to the customers. They need to sell those phones! Besides, poor ol’ Timmy C needs a new mega yacht.

You see how super easy it is to formulate your own cockamamie justification that can't be challenged?Challenging Planned Obsolescence just makes you a zealot, fanboi, breathless defender, or “lol ur too dumb to see”.

Or — maybe Apple has honestly turned a new leaf. iOS 12 represents an end on the software side. But, they’re still not designing user repairable phones. Where is the *headphone* jack? The user replaceable batteries? An SD card slot? U seen the S10 Galaxy? Apple still cripples their hardware. They need the hardware to be crippled to sell you the upgrade to new hardware later! Duh!

Is P/O really a myth? Or they just hiding it in plain sight, laying low to hide. They’ve spent so much on developing this system to bring in billions. They’re just going to voluntarily disband it out of the goodness of their heart?
Conspiracy theories are fun to discuss.:)
 
I tried ios11 during the first week and rolled back to 10.3.3. It just didn't feel smooth enough. ios12 feels a lot better, nearly as good as 10.3.3 in terms of fluidity. That's because Apple finally looked into the sources of stutter and fixed everything that could be fixed. I suspect a lot of people using 10.3.3 would be ok with 12 now, but they are afraid to upgrade after experiencing ios 11. I think the adoption rate would actually be higher if apple left the option of rolling back.
 
"It says 72% of devices sold in the last four years, and 70% of all devices." = So, 2% are legacy devices running a device that can't be upgraded.

That link of yours shows the same data I posted above, just different dates (and the exact dates not specified).
 
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