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iPhone iOS 13.1 Beta and 2019 iPhones

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I was planning on exiting the iOS 13 beta when 13.0 was released publicly. (I’m on public beta right now)

With 13.1 beta 1 released and being served to anyone with a developer profile, wont this create issues if they buy a new iPhone that comes with iOS 13.0 installed? They wouldn’t be able to restore their iCloud backup.

Does that mean us public testers who plan to upgrade should remove the beta profile to avoid being put on the 13.1 beta in case it’s rolled out to the public testers as well?
 
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This is an excellent question, though I don't see what would prevent you from installing the dev profile on your iPhone 11, upgrading it to 13.1, and then restoring from your previous phone's iOS 13.1 backup.
 
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btrach144 said:
I was planning on exiting the iOS 13 beta when 13.0 was released publicly. (I’m on public beta right now)

With 13.1 beta 1 released and being served to anyone with a developer profile, wont this create issues if they buy a new iPhone that comes with iOS 13.0 installed? They wouldn’t be able to restore their iCloud backup.

Does that mean us public testers who plan to upgrade should remove the beta profile to avoid being put on the 13.1 beta in case it’s rolled out to the public testers as well?
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you should always have a pre-beta backup that you can restore from. If not, then yes.
 
eoblaed said:
This is an excellent question, though I don't see what would prevent you from installing the dev profile on your iPhone 11, upgrading it to 13.1, and then restoring from your previous phone's iOS 13.1 backup.
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Because there’s no telling when a 13.1 beta will be available for the iPhone 11 and it probably won’t be on launch day.
 
btrach144 said:
I was planning on exiting the iOS 13 beta when 13.0 was released publicly. (I’m on public beta right now)

With 13.1 beta 1 released and being served to anyone with a developer profile, wont this create issues if they buy a new iPhone that comes with iOS 13.0 installed? They wouldn’t be able to restore their iCloud backup.

Does that mean us public testers who plan to upgrade should remove the beta profile to avoid being put on the 13.1 beta in case it’s rolled out to the public testers as well?
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Yes, it will cause issues. Even though a build of iOS 13.1 beta is out now, each build of iOS is device specific, and the build out now won't work on the new phones.

The new iPhones will ship with iOS 13.0 and likely be available in retail on 9/20. From that date until Apple releases a build of iOS 13.1 beta available for the new phones, you won't be able to install iOS 13.1 beta on the new phones. This means you can't restore a backup to iOS 13.1 from your current phone to the new one immediately on the new phone's release date, unless Apple releases a new build (and likely new beta) on the same day (unlikely). It's a guessing game as to how long Apple will take to release a iOS 13.1 build for the new phones, but my guess is within a 2 week time window from 9/20.

I think we'll probably see iOS 13 GM on 9/10 or 9/11 (iPhone keynote date), and iOS 13.1 beta 2 the day after. This sets us up for iOS 13.1 beta 3 on 9/24 (and a build compatible with the new phones), which is only a few days after the new phones come out on 9/20. Again, just speculation based on Apple's past behaviors.
 
If I remember well, last year on launch day you could get the β by installing the profile, but not by downloading the IPSW.
 
iOS 13.1 will be available as a Day Zero Update for all new iPhones. iOS 13 beta 8 will be the version that is installed on new iPhones on launch day, and you will have to update your phone to iOS 13.1 when activating it.
 
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m.wttfld said:
iOS 13.1 will be available as a Day Zero Update for all new iPhones. iOS 13 beta 8 will be the version that is installed on new iPhones on launch day, and you will have to update your phone to iOS 13.1 when activating it.
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We simply don't know that though. It would make sense but we've never encountered a X.1 beta before the X.0 was released with new devices inbound.

I took off my public beta profile from my phone to see what happens as I plan on upgrading to the new iPhone and don't want to get caught in between betas.
 
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m.wttfld said:
iOS 13.1 will be available as a Day Zero Update for all new iPhones. iOS 13 beta 8 will be the version that is installed on new iPhones on launch day, and you will have to update your phone to iOS 13.1 when activating it.
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Even though it might very well be the case, there's simply no way you can say that for certain.
 
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m.wttfld said:
iOS 13.1 will be available as a Day Zero Update for all new iPhones. iOS 13 beta 8 will be the version that is installed on new iPhones on launch day, and you will have to update your phone to iOS 13.1 when activating it.
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That makes absolutely no sense. Why not just keep it at iOS 13 Beta 9? It won't be available on launch day. This entire process is just a further example that Apple is clueless on what its doing a lot of the time. I guarantee you they thought that as dev account holders that we'd be thrilled with the 13.1 release. On the contrary, they are too stupid to realize that its going to make it impossible to use a backup now on any 13.0 phone.

The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing half the time with this company.
 
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1. Do a downgrade on the older iPhone to the latest stable version

2. Make a backup of the device

3. Restore backup on new device


OR

1. Edit the backup of the older device and set the version in the .plist to current version number of the new iPhone

2. Restore backup on the new iPhone
 
If you upgrade to 13.1 you are going to need to:

-Set up new phone as a new device
-upgrade the phone to 13.1 (if available day 1 or download the beta profile or restore to an earlier version)
-erase all contents of the phone
-restore from 13.1 back up

I am on the 13 beta and apple had to replace my phone last week. I had to do the above process. Set up as new, download the beta profile to upgrade the phone, erase the phone and restore from my 13 backup. It may sound like a headache, but it took ~10 mins and did it all on the apple store wifi.
 
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mattopotamus said:
If you upgrade to 13.1 you are going to need to:

-Set up new phone as a new device
-upgrade the phone to 13.1 (if available day 1 or download the beta profile or restore to an earlier version)
-erase all contents of the phone
-restore from 13.1 back up

I am on the 13 beta and apple had to replace my phone last week. I had to do the above process. Set up as new, download the beta profile to upgrade the phone, erase the phone and restore from my 13 backup. It may sound like a headache, but it took ~10 mins and did it all on the apple store wifi.
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I do this every year when new phones come out. While it's true that we have never seen a .1 beta release before the GM of the .0 , we do usually see something like a .01 beta between the GM and launch day for the new phones.
That's why I developed this process to set up my new phones.

Let's look at 2 years ago with the iPhone X, GA is released on keynote day-I upgraded my phone. A few days latter they released a .01 beta and I upgraded to it.

It's launch day and I am excited to get my X. So I have UPS hold my phone at the ship center and I am there at 7:30AM to get it. I'm out of there by 8 ish with the new phone and rush home thinking I'll have it set up and running before lunch. Wrong. I forgot that I have that .01 on my old phone and it has backed up. I spend 3 hours trying to find a way around this situation and be able to set up the new phone and restore my backup. You see there is no 11.01 for the X. just as my frustration is at it's peek- they release a 11.01 for the X on the developer portal. I quickly upgrade to it and restore.

Many beta users (including me) will be happy with their 13.1 for the next 23 days. The first part of that 24th day is going to be a challenge. But I expect that Apple will help us, just like they have done in the past.
 
Donnation said:
That makes absolutely no sense. Why not just keep it at iOS 13 Beta 9? It won't be available on launch day. This entire process is just a further example that Apple is clueless on what its doing a lot of the time. I guarantee you they thought that as dev account holders that we'd be thrilled with the 13.1 release. On the contrary, they are too stupid to realize that its going to make it impossible to use a backup now on any 13.0 phone.

The right hand doesn't know what the left is doing half the time with this company.
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If you were a real developer you wouldn't be running the beta on your primary device so upgrading in September would make no difference, they state over and over not to use it on a device you rely on, most developers will have multiple iPhones for testing on and will have loaded the beta on one of those.
 
Broken Hope said:
If you were a real developer you wouldn't be running the beta on your primary device so upgrading in September would make no difference, they state over and over not to use it on a device you rely on, most developers will have multiple iPhones for testing on and will have loaded the beta on one of those.
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That's a great fanboy reply, but it is meaningless in that Apple never released a gold master of iOS 13, which has never ever happened. And if you think Beta 8 is ready for final release you are as clueless as your post above. Its still a mess and just deciding to move forward with it and start on 13.1 shows a complete lack of either caring or understanding that it still needs major work.

I've been running beta's since the program became available so please don't try and make excuses for this baffling decision by Apple. I don't have to upgrade to 13.1, but it makes absolutely no sense to release it ahead of a 13.0 launch especially when Beta 8 still has a lot of kinks to be worked out.
 
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Donnation said:
That's a great fanboy reply, but it is meaningless in that Apple never released a gold master of iOS 13, which has never ever happened. And if you think Beta 8 is ready for final release you are as clueless as your post above. Its still a mess and just deciding to move forward with it and start on 13.1 shows a complete lack of either caring or understanding that it still needs major work.

I've been running beta's since the program became available so please don't try and make excuses for this baffling decision by Apple. I don't have to upgrade to 13.1, but it makes absolutely no sense to release it ahead of a 13.0 launch especially when Beta 8 still has a lot of kinks to be worked out.
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Chances are the iOS 13 GM will release on the day of the event, that’s usually what happens.
 
Broken Hope said:
If you were a real developer you wouldn't be running the beta on your primary device so upgrading in September would make no difference, they state over and over not to use it on a device you rely on, most developers will have multiple iPhones for testing on and will have loaded the beta on one of those.
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I personally take the risk. I’m ok running the beta on my main device and I just pay for the dev account to be able to do that.

it’s important to always know how to restore though. I’ve had to do that more than enough times.
 
Broken Hope said:
Chances are the iOS 13 GM will release on the day of the event, that’s usually what happens.
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Sorry but that’s not possible. They can’t have two simultaneous dev beta’s running at the same time. The profile will only load one and 13.1 is the only one as Apple deleted all of the dev beta’s for 13.0. So unless 13.1 is what is being released (which it won’t be) then Apple has decided that Beta 8 is the GM and never labeled it as such. It isn’t ready to be released so again why they did this makes absolutely no sense.
 
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Donnation said:
Sorry but that’s not possible. They can’t have two simultaneous dev beta’s running at the same time. The profile will only load one and 13.1 is the only one as Apple deleted all of the dev beta’s for 13.0. So unless 13.1 is what is being released (which it won’t be) then Apple has decided that Beta 8 is the GM and never labeled it as such. It isn’t ready to be released so again why they did this makes absolutely no sense.
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I’m fairly certain the developer portal has the ipsw files for 13 beta 8 and 13.1 beta 1.
 
Donnation said:
I've been running beta's since the program became available so please don't try and make excuses for this baffling decision by Apple. I don't have to upgrade to 13.1, but it makes absolutely no sense to release it ahead of a 13.0 launch especially when Beta 8 still has a lot of kinks to be worked out.
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Only apple knows why they released the 13.1 (probably because they want to shorten the lapse between 13.0 and 13.1 releases), but makes no sense to say that this release makes no sense, because we simply don’t know their development schedule.
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Donnation said:
Sorry but that’s not possible. They can’t have two simultaneous dev beta’s running at the same time. The profile will only load one and 13.1 is the only one as Apple deleted all of the dev beta’s for 13.0. So unless 13.1 is what is being released (which it won’t be) then Apple has decided that Beta 8 is the GM and never labeled it as such. It isn’t ready to be released so again why they did this makes absolutely no sense.
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probably they will release only the gm’s ipsw, not ota
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mattopotamus said:
It does. I just looked. I feel pretty confident 13.1 will be a day one update for the new iPhone.
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just a feeling, but this release seems too unstable to think that will be released in three weeks
 
poool88 said:
Only apple knows why they released the 13.1 (probably because they want to shorten the lapse between 13.0 and 13.1 releases), but makes no sense to say that this release makes no sense, because we simply don’t know their development schedule.
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probably they will release only the gm’s ipsw, not ota
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just a feeling, but this release seems too unstable to think that will be released in three weeks
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Yeah, 13.1 seems like it has a lot of bugs. I actually am going to jump back down to beta 8.
 
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