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take issue with the fact that the teaching of cursive handwriting has been eliminated from public education. I don’t know when this change was implemented and only found out last year in a shocking account from my daughter.

She had gone on a field trip to several museums with her fellow middle school classmates. They had an assignment to examine several historical documents, which included old diaries, and answer questions about the contents of the documents.

She was the only student in her tour group who could read the historical documents. They may as well have been written in kanji as far as her classmates were concerned. She was the only student who was able to complete the assignment unassisted. She had to help everyone else finish theirs. She had been privately educated in schools that have maintained a traditional curriculum that retains the teaching of cursive handwriting. Her peers in this particular tour group came from public schools.

I’ve asked around among friends in other states and apparently this has been the trend everywhere.

It is more alarming to me that we will have an entire generation of otherwise well educated people who can not read historical documents written in English than it is that some people throw in some smiley faces in short informal texts and emails.

I absolutely agree! I am not sure that it is a problem here in the UK, but it probably will be at some point in the future if global trends are anything to go by. You touch upon a wider point that also (given my extreme levels of grumpiness as you noted in a previous post!) concerns me which is the deviation towards the non-traditional curriculum taught by a lot of schools.

It seems, in the UK at least, that there is a huge influx of modern socio-political commentary into more or less every subject. My son is studying Philosophy at school so I can completely understand the concepts of identity in both a personal and inter-personal context. However, he is also studying Italian and the "Identity Politics" has also crept into that!

I realise that I have to be careful what I say here to avoid being reported but, for now, let me say that I am not some XXX-ist bigot! I simply believe that Sixth Form (broadly equivalent to High School as I understand it) should be for teaching the fundamentals of a subject and not trying to associate in any way possible every single subject with is socio-political and socio-economic impact on whatever group is the "soup du jour" at the moment! There is plenty of time for exploration of that once people get out into the real world and can see the impact of things in an actual, real-world situation rather than simply being expected to acquiesce because they are being taught that "this is how it is" without the option to really question...

Anyway, I digress! Yes, cursive should be taught in all schools. Not just because it is traditional but also because the act of physically writing something with a pen forces the mind to slow down while the hand catches up which ultimately gives more time for consideration and reflection of what is actually being written. On a good day I can type over 100 words a minute. I have never tried to measure how many words a minute I could write (in anything approaching a legible form) but I would guess that it would be around a quarter of that. That extra time allows for more structured and clear thinking. Plus it also means that "auto-correct" and spell checking can't be used as an extra safety net...
 
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Highly evolved? Are you kidding? Language has been (and always will be) a mess! Because it’s a living, changing thing! You think it’s highly evolved that the “ough” letter sequence has at least EIGHT different pronunciations? Or that the three C’s in Pacific Ocean are all pronounced differently?! What evolved about that. How about the utterly random and arbitrary uses of gender in Romance languages? Can you tell me why a table in Spanish (mesa) is feminine? Or that you have to memorize thousands of often hard to read, complex symbols to communicate in Chinese or Japanese?

Languages are fascinating and interesting but they are far from some high art form that must be protected from “dumbing down”. Languages’ job is to convey meaning, as long as it can do that, it’s doing it’s job. And while the combination of letters “happy” may convey a specific meaning to you, it means jack spit to someone who only knows Korean. But guess what? If I send this emoji 😊 I can convey meaning regardless of native tongue.

After all, a picture is worth a thousand words.

Well, no, I wasn't actually kidding. We are, as a species, what would be considered to be highly-evolved, but we are also incredibly complex. A simple, single-celled creature is nowhere near as evolved but also nowhere near as complex. Highly-evolved isn't an indicator of simplicity. If anything I would say that the opposite is true. We are capable of inventing all of the wonderful things that we, as a species, have because we are evolved, and that endows us with the ability to think in complex ways.

To deal with your examples though, I agree completely that there a number of idiosyncrasies in many languages (such as the "ough" example that you gave) which make them hard for a non-native speaker to master. The three C's is a little less extreme though in my opinion. Yes, it isn't always immediately obvious that each of those C's would sound different, but the adjacent letters simply act as modifiers to the sound which (for the most part) are fairly consistent. Perhaps a better solution would be to create new letters for the different variations of the C sound?

For example, French has multiple versions of the letter E with the different accents subtly changing the underlying sound. That seems like a reasonable compromise between the English complexity of adjacent letter modifiers and the Chinese system where every phoneme has its own distinct character.

Now, as for the gendered nouns, you are seeing that problem from the perspective of a non-native speaker. To a native speaker there is no confusion. In Italian, for example, "la scala" is a staircase. To non-native speakers you think about gender, but to an Italian, it is just "la scala". Look at is this way, just learn the language to incorporate the gendered part as a part of the word. Instead of "la scala", think of it as "lascala". Then you apply a recursive rule of any noun starting with "la" is feminine and any noun starting with "il" is masculine. It's only problematic when you are trying to communicate across languages. Which brings me to your last point about Emoji being a cross-language communication tool.

Yes, you make a valid point about being able to express certain simplistic emotions through Emoji and I cannot, and will not, argue that. But you mention that "happy" conveys a certain meaning to me as an English speaker but would mean nothing to, for example, a Korean and this is where I have to disagree; not with the concept, but with the application.

"Happy" is a huge word with a lot of subtlety and nuance within it. For example, overjoyed could be classified as a type of "happy", as could ecstatic, elated, joyful, thrilled etc.; each of which have their own subtleties and unique characteristics. Yes, the :) conveys that overall "big picture" emotion but it doesn't convey the particular flavour of "happy".

Which is exactly why I referred to the dumbing-down of language. You are right, on those occasions where you as a native XX language speaker need to convey a simple sign of approval to a native YY language speaker and you don't have a common language you both speak then yes, a "thumbs up" Emoji does the job. But let's be honest, what percentage of your daily communications are as simplistic as that?

If you find yourself in Korea and don't speak Korean (let's assume that nobody in Korea spoke English - or any other language that you did speak - for this example, as you did in yours) then things will go very wrong, very quickly if you have to rely on Emoji to communicate your needs! You presented a very particular case, and I agree that it works in that case, and for simple generic emotions I agree that they are useful (as I stated in my original post about the original "smileys"). However, the virus-like proliferation of new Emoji serves little to no purpose.

How often do you honestly think that you will need to convey a Unicorn and a Football (or a Sloth and a Strawberry) to a person in a country where you don't speak the language? Will your need convey your overall sentiment of approval to a Korean fall apart if the Emoji which most accurately represents your ethnicity, gender and hair colour isn't present?

The other issue is, of course, that people rely more and more on these "fun" Emojis so you end up with lazy communication where people just miss out the details and focus on the Emojis. Sure, I could say that I am :) about the fact that you 👍 being able to convey certain things...but saying that I would 👍🐟🍲for 🍽 but only if we can get 🍷as well just looks a bit ridiculous really doesn't it!

The only logical extension of the Emoji culture is to return to the Egyptian (and other) hieroglyphs...literally taking back language thousands of years! We have for more knowledge than we had thousands of years ago, and language has (as you mentioned) evolved so that we can actually express those ideas.

It is a well-known trope that Eskimo people have many words for snow and ice. Why do you think that is? I imagine that (if it is actually true) it is because there are many different forms that "snow" and "ice" can take. So while we may say "black ice" or "snow drift", the frequency with which they have to deal with snow and ice means that it makes sense for them to develop distinct words for these different kinds of snow and ice rather than having to attach qualifier words adjacent to them to fully convey the situation. Again, evolution of language...

So what do we do? Resort to conveying only the most simplistic of ideas? It's pretty hard to put the cat back in the bag now as we have complex ideas that need to be explained somehow.

OK, so do we use a new Emoji language (Emojiglyphics) where every possible object, thought, feeling, sentiment or other concept that we want to convey can be conveyed in Emoji? That's completely unreasonable too!

Third option is we create some kind of crazy hybrid language where the base concepts are conveyed in cute little drawings but the more advanced concepts call for actual words. Again, there is little value to that as, were you in Korea and not able to speak Korean, very little of what you wanted to get across would be understood.

Or do we go for option number four where we use actual words to convey actual thoughts in a clear, precise and specific manner? Sure, it requires a bit more of an effort to find the correct combination of letters to precisely convey a particular meaning rather than just dropping an eggplant Emoji into the conversation, but come on...has it really got to the point where we are that lazy and that unable to communicate ideas?

I certainly hope not because that would be the first step towards a (personally) dark and bleak future, and would render the efforts of all of the great thinkers, philosophers, writers and scientists who worked so hard to advance humanity as little more than a "dusty relic" of a time long past...an anomalous and momentary blip as humanity reached for the stars, only to come crashing back down...per astra ad cloaca...
 
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I absolutely agree! I am not sure that it is a problem here in the UK, but it probably will be at some point in the future if global trends are anything to go by. You touch upon a wider point that also (given my extreme levels of grumpiness as you noted in a previous post!) concerns me which is the deviation towards the non-traditional curriculum taught by a lot of schools.

It seems, in the UK at least, that there is a huge influx of modern socio-political commentary into more or less every subject. My son is studying Philosophy at school so I can completely understand the concepts of identity in both a personal and inter-personal context. However, he is also studying Italian and the "Identity Politics" has also crept into that!

I realise that I have to be careful what I say here to avoid being reported but, for now, let me say that I am not some XXX-ist bigot! I simply believe that Sixth Form (broadly equivalent to High School as I understand it) should be for teaching the fundamentals of a subject and not trying to associate in any way possible every single subject with is socio-political and socio-economic impact on whatever group is the "soup du jour" at the moment! There is plenty of time for exploration of that once people get out into the real world and can see the impact of things in an actual, real-world situation rather than simply being expected to acquiesce because they are being taught that "this is how it is" without the option to really question...

Anyway, I digress! Yes, cursive should be taught in all schools. Not just because it is traditional but also because the act of physically writing something with a pen forces the mind to slow down while the hand catches up which ultimately gives more time for consideration and reflection of what is actually being written. On a good day I can type over 100 words a minute. I have never tried to measure how many words a minute I could write (in anything approaching a legible form) but I would guess that it would be around a quarter of that. That extra time allows for more structured and clear thinking. Plus it also means that "auto-correct" and spell checking can't be used as an extra safety net...
I understand that you’re not a bigot. I agree with your position.

I had to smile when you provided me with a TL/DR summation of your first post to me. From that, I formed the impression that you’ve also watched with growing dismay the tendency for people to become agitated, confused and dismayed when presented with complex thoughts that require a certain amount of exposition to be properly conveyed in all of their nuance.

While some do attribute this development to the social media culture, I noticed this unfortunate trend may have started in the 1950’s and 1960’s.

A few years ago, I was fortunate enough to find original circa 1930 editions of the first few books of the “Nancy Drew Mysteries” series. I have only ever seen the revised versions I acquired in my own childhood. I hadn’t known that they were revised.

I was completely taken aback at how much more rich the language was in the originals. The sentences were longer and more complex. The descriptions were more vivid. The storylines were slightly different and more detailed. The main character was actually more intelligent, mature, independent and capable than her updated counterpart. The “updates” were made in the 50’s and 60’s.

Sadly, subsequent attempts to update the character in the 1980’s did not revive the richness and complexity of the originals. They got much worse in that respect.

I’ve since found excerpts from various books from the 1800’s and again was struck by how much more complex our language used to be. Authors would lavish much time and attention to details that even I struggled to take in. Judging from my own struggles to read through various passages, I am sure my own attention span is greatly reduced from that of members of previous generations.

We both know it’s only going to get worse. I know my own language skills have eroded just with time and age and health problems, yet I still have a much more rich lexicon and independence from automated assistants than the youth around me. It is not that our children are less capable. We just aren’t giving them the proper foundation.

These days, I see cries of “TL/DR” and “word salad” and know we are in the era of communicating in sound bites and tweets.

I do still maintain the emojis are a comparatively harmless component of current trends to truncate communication. But I understand why you might disagree.

I just think there are more malignant trends taking place in our schools running concurrently with the trends you’ve discussed.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theorist, I worry that if we lose the vocabulary and the linguistic agility to articulate certain concepts, we will lose the ability to resist being manipulated.

However, I know from talking to younger people, they feel their more streamlined form of communication is more efficient and fits better into fast paced modern living. They also feel it is more inclusive of people who are not native English speakers. So there is also that side to consider.
 
Bet you couldn't write all that nonsense in EMOJI, I think that is what people are complaining about. You lose the intricate ability of language. Also, your meaning in EMOJI sure doesn't help a blind person. Just my 2 cents.....

You’ll note that despite the existence of emoji were all still allowed to use words too. It’s not a zero sum game. --
 
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