That's a pretty specious argument - you're saying the user would rather simply throw away the phone if he couldn't get it repaired cheaply, when in reality Apple will definitely accept the phone for recycling.
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iOS 14.4 Will Introduce Warning on iPhones With Non-Genuine Cameras
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Yeah, when you consider the big picture, people who are apt to recycle are GOING to recycle regardless of what Apple does. The best they can do is make it really easy for those who want to recycle to recycle and create an internal infrastructure that gets as much of the raw materials out for use in new products as they can.
Someone who’s going to throw stuff in the trash for a landfill will not only eventually throw the phone BUT also throw the parts they took out in the trash, too.
This only means that for example if you have two brand new iPhones and interchange the camera between them, the alert will pop up, just like it already happens with the screens
Son each component will be liked to one phone only, and only apple will be able to pair the new component when repairing a phone
The youtuber Hugh Jeffrey already did this, and it was exactly what happened
Son each component will be liked to one phone only, and only apple will be able to pair the new component when repairing a phone
The youtuber Hugh Jeffrey already did this, and it was exactly what happened
It's fine that in general>info there is "warning" saying this phone doesn't have a genuine camera, but it's not fair that this warning pop-ups everytime i open camera app. i have 4,4gb/5gb icloud space used and everytime i make a photo i get a warning saying my icloud space it's almost end, even if with 600mb left i can make a lot of photos. this isn't fair!
I watched a family stomp their feet through this check to get a warranty service (really, replacement) on an iPhone touch. (It wasn't the battery, but I forget what part it actually was.) I was pretty disappointed when the manager ultimately allowed it.
Edit: It was the Home button, I think pre-Touch ID. I remember the Genius pointed out the color didn't even match.
As long as the warning is not obtrusive and it continues to function, I'm actually okay with this. If someone is getting their phone repaired at a mall shop or other non-authorized place, then they shouldn't be surprised at the note, and if they have been lied to and told that a non-authorized repair place was genuine (either using sketchy parts and pretending otherwise or outright lying about being Apple-authorized), then the user will get tipped off.
I'm in agreement Apple should make authorized parts available on the 3rd party market, but as-is this is a good solution to people ending up with a substandard camera and not realizing it due to unscrupulous repair places.
I'm in agreement Apple should make authorized parts available on the 3rd party market, but as-is this is a good solution to people ending up with a substandard camera and not realizing it due to unscrupulous repair places.
1)I had no idea iPhone cameras break. I've never, ever heard of anyone having a broken camera/lens. Maybe the problem is people who drop them excessively? I'm being serious. If that's the case, I would guess that there's more to just a broken camera/lens and the consumer may just want to replace the whole darn phone.
2)I'm amazed that Apple has had heard of enough/seen enough iPhone camera repairs (via Apple or 3rd party) to warrant such a message on your iPhone.
3)I don't know what the average cost is of replacing an iPhone camera/lens but it must be high enough to drive people to 3rd party vendors instead of Apple and maybe, just maybe, Apple wants to coerce you to go to Apple and pay all that extra money for the Apple repair.
4)"iFixit reported that authorized technicians are required to run Apple's proprietary, cloud-based System Configuration app to complete camera and display repairs on all iPhone 12 models, citing internal Apple documentation. Failure to complete this step can result in the camera experiencing issues or becoming completely unresponsive in a short amount of time..." Hmmmm. If Apple software can detect a non-Apple part, what's to stop Apple's software from magically making that non-Apple part "unresponsive in a short amount of time?" Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm.
This honestly feels like a way for Apple to force you to buy Apple parts AND use Apple Authorized repair centers. This seems, essentially, illegal if not simply unethical.
Yes, it would be nice to have the assurance/guarantee from the 3rd party vendor on exactly what parts they are replacing so you don't get ripped off paying $300 for an Apple part when they really install a $17 generic part. But when Apple's giving you notifications and then that new hardware magically stops responding and you've now wasted your money and likely would never go back to that vendor and thus now only go to Apple for repairs, I think it's quite obvious what's going on here.
2)I'm amazed that Apple has had heard of enough/seen enough iPhone camera repairs (via Apple or 3rd party) to warrant such a message on your iPhone.
3)I don't know what the average cost is of replacing an iPhone camera/lens but it must be high enough to drive people to 3rd party vendors instead of Apple and maybe, just maybe, Apple wants to coerce you to go to Apple and pay all that extra money for the Apple repair.
4)"iFixit reported that authorized technicians are required to run Apple's proprietary, cloud-based System Configuration app to complete camera and display repairs on all iPhone 12 models, citing internal Apple documentation. Failure to complete this step can result in the camera experiencing issues or becoming completely unresponsive in a short amount of time..." Hmmmm. If Apple software can detect a non-Apple part, what's to stop Apple's software from magically making that non-Apple part "unresponsive in a short amount of time?" Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm.
This honestly feels like a way for Apple to force you to buy Apple parts AND use Apple Authorized repair centers. This seems, essentially, illegal if not simply unethical.
Yes, it would be nice to have the assurance/guarantee from the 3rd party vendor on exactly what parts they are replacing so you don't get ripped off paying $300 for an Apple part when they really install a $17 generic part. But when Apple's giving you notifications and then that new hardware magically stops responding and you've now wasted your money and likely would never go back to that vendor and thus now only go to Apple for repairs, I think it's quite obvious what's going on here.
Please, share the data, not your gut feeling about how the world must work.
Are you certain that there are more phones in landfills now than there would be if Apple made a less reliable phone that was easier for below average humans to get their fat fingers into? My gut feel, based on well experienced gut, is that locking things down makes them more reliable, less likely to be damaged in regular use, and less likely to be damaged in repair.
That combined with Apple's recycling and trade-in programs gives me the impression that there are less phones in landfills than under any sort of "right to repair" regulation.
Ok so I made an account just to comment. To everyone saying people are installing rip off cameras etc. keep in mind Apple does this on a software level. As a proud repair shop I will tell you if you open two brand new iPhones and swap the displays batteries and other components from one phone to another it will literally give you the non genuine error. It’s not that shops use counterfeit or 3rd party parts. Apple married components to its motherboard. Hugh jeffreys shows this on his new iPhone 12 video if you guys need proof on YouTube. I’d be glad to answer any questions you may have as to what parts are serialized and how to fix such errors even when using genuine 2nd hand parts.
They'll probably be canned for this by some but ....the purchaser should have the final say and I can't see why the 'original purchased' would be bothered. Hope Apple is working on something similar for car repair parts....😉
In the second beta of iOS 14.4 seeded to developers and public testers this week, MacRumors contributor Steve Moser has discovered code indicating that Apple will be introducing a new warning on iPhones that have had their camera repaired or replaced with aftermarket components rather than genuine Apple components.
"Unable to verify this iPhone has a genuine Apple camera," the message will read. As with a similar warning for non-genuine iPhone displays, the message will likely appear in the Settings app under General > About as necessary, and the warning may also appear as a notification on the Lock screen for a short period.
Apple's similar display-related warning does not affect the ability to use the iPhone or display in any way, so this will presumably be the case with the camera-related warning as well, but it remains to be seen. Apple also displays a similar message for non-genuine iPhone batteries that likewise does not impact use of the device beyond disabling a battery health feature that displays the battery's maximum capacity remaining.
The non-genuine camera message will likely direct users towards a future Apple support document emphasizing the importance of iPhone repairs being completed by authorized, trained technicians using genuine Apple parts, including Apple, Apple Authorized Service Providers, and those part of Apple's Independent Repair Provider Program.
Last year, repair website iFixit reported that authorized technicians are required to run Apple's proprietary, cloud-based System Configuration app to complete camera and display repairs on all iPhone 12 models, citing internal Apple documentation. Failure to complete this step can result in the camera experiencing issues or becoming completely unresponsive in a short amount of time, according to iFixit's testing.
Article Link: iOS 14.4 Will Introduce Warning on iPhones With Non-Genuine Cameras
Would this fall under the same category as "The right to repair" ?
This is all wrong sounds like.. However, you buy a premium product, then you expect to use cheaper non-genunine parts, just makes the argument look better. On the other hand ts not being open, but then he users knew that whay bougt into Apple... if they don't, they do now. But price always sway that which is understandable.
This is all wrong sounds like.. However, you buy a premium product, then you expect to use cheaper non-genunine parts, just makes the argument look better. On the other hand ts not being open, but then he users knew that whay bougt into Apple... if they don't, they do now. But price always sway that which is understandable.
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Except this happens even when you use actual Apple parts. I can understand the example you gave as that deals with e Secure Enclave, but locking parts like the screen and the camera module down based on their serial number is BS. Upside is just like screens, soon you’ll be able to purchase a machine than will be able to dub the serial number from the old part to the new the way you already can for screens.
Then Apple would go further.. It'll be a cat & mouse game. At least their opened it to allow TouchID with third party apps.. but now we have our foot in the door, we'll always looking for more.
At what point would that walled-gardem be cut down?
They have a number of options beyond just batteries:
Service and Repair Providers for Apple Products - Official Apple Support
Learn more about the programs Apple offers for performing service and repairs on Apple products.
support.apple.com
including an authorized service provider program:
Apple Authorized Service Provider Program - Official Apple Support
Learn more about Apple's requirements, applications and contact information needed to become an Authorized Apple Service Provider.
support.apple.com
as well as a program for independent repair providers (IRP):
Independent Repair Provider Program - Official Apple Support
Independent Repair Provider Program
support.apple.com
You can't simply run a business servicing Apple products from your home and be an IRP; but it makes sense Apple wants some level of assurance your in business to repair products and not just buy parts to resell or on a now aand tehn basis. Even the certification exams are free for IRPs.
System looks are not Apple unique. BMW, for example, codes the options in the buy order; so adding any addtional options, even if tehy are genuine BMW parts, does not mean they will work. For example, I added bluetooth to the factory radio and an alarm system to an e90. The car was prewired for both options but until I updated the buy order by either going to a dealer and paying $$$$ just to flash the computer, used a bootleg copy of the BMW software as a DIY or payed a 3rd party to flash it the options did not work.
The right to repair does not imply the device has to be designed to allow repairs or that the repairs need to be easily accomplished.
This is a good thing with regards to the secondhand market of 'used' iphones. Not everyone is honest when they sell their iphone to somebody else. Many iphones get repaired by independant third party repair shops, most common parts replaced are lcd screen, battery and camera but this infomration is usually not passed onto the new buyer. The seller gives buyers the impression the iphone they are selling is genuine, untouched. The buyer thinks they are buying a 100% genuine iphone when infact they are not. Having warnings in the settings indicating that certain parts have been changed will allow the buyer to make a decision on whether they want to purchase the iphone or not.
Folks I'd like to remind you all, since some of you seem to be confused about this. It doesn't matter if you use a genuine apple screen or battery in an attempt to avoid these types of warning messages. You can buy two brand new iPhone models, swap the logic boards, and receive warnings about nongenuine parts. This has nothing to do with those OEM parts, if it did the warning would go away once you used an OEM part. This new message is about enforcing users going to Apple to get the repair done instead of a third party.
Or just as likely from a stolen iPhone that was bricked by the real owner. At that point, the only option to the thief was to fence it for parts. Maybe the parts used in a stolen phone are added to a database.
Highly misleading. There are not “knock off cameras” or “fake parts”. These messages are highly controversial. As an iPhone technician for over 10 years these messages have caused us quite a headache but I’m okay with it alerting the user of changes. However when you buy 2 new iPhones and exchange cameras Apple disables them in the iPhone 12... you think that’s fair? The DIY community is under attack and Apple’s IRP is very difficult to join and they resell their parts for 90-95% of what they cost the end user. Apple is trying to keep all the profit and ensure their products are the least serviceable.
Incorrect. There’s no database. You buy two brand new phones and swapping parts from either will give you a non-genuine message. This isn’t about genuine/fake parts, it’s about ending repairability under the disguise of consumer protection.
Apple's approach to repairability has be ease of repair vs cheap to repair; by ease I mean major component swap out that takes a lot less time than any board level repair or component replacement. It makes it easy to run a diagnostic, decide a board is bad and swap out the entire mB on site. No need to have technicians who can do detailed troubleshooting or work on surface mount devices. Depot level repairs of MBs or recycling is much cheaper since you centralize the work. Of course, that means a 3rd party repair will not be cheap either if you use Apple parts from Apple. If you do board level repair, depending on the time it takes to do it and test it, the costs may be as much as a simple swap if you charge enough for the labor to make a living.
That's why I think the whole "right to repair" is misleading as having the right doesn't mean you can do cost effective repairs if the manufacturer designs the product to limit component level repairs.
iFixIt already showed this happening with cameras from other iPhones so it's really a way to force repair shops to pay for the "validation" software that is simply storing the part's serial number in the enclave.
