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If Apple really care about environment, why are they still shipping charging brick with iPad or MacBook for that matter? It isn’t like people has no fast charger?

Apple should really gone ahead remove USBC cable as well. Oh even better, just ship the bare phone. Who need the box, right?

If Apple really cares about the environment, they should really let people repairs their phone, instead of charging couple hundreds of dollars for replacement phone. Thinks about how many iPhone 7 could be saved for no audio issue?


It is like every company has done environment report. Apple really isn’t in lead of environment protection.

MacBook Pros require significantly more power than what most people have for USB-C chargers. As far as iPads, no idea. I think they should leave those out as well as a lot of people have chargers that could charge those devices. So yeah, I think they should leave those out as well.

Third party repair is a different ball of wax entirely and I'm not going to get into that here in this thread with you but I'll just say I'm all for first party repair and Apple having that control to ensure the device is repaired properly and if the device is losing support, you need to upgrade and recycle the old device. That's all I'm going to get into about it here.

Yeah, every company does an environment report NOW, but Apple has done it for years prior before it was the norm. Make no mistake, Apple cares far more about the environment than any other tech company in their class and that's a fact.
 
Good idea. There is no need for annual update on iPhones or smartphone in that matters.

It is just these greedy corporations trying to encourage consumptions and creating more e-waste.
Many, many companies have annual release cycles. You are free to vote with your dollars against those companies you believe are creating e-waste. There’s a balance between doing business and your view of what these companies do.
Totally. Apple went all the way out to stop right to repair. You really think Apple like you to repair your own phone? And Apple went all out to make sure to make independent repair as hard as possible.
Apple or Samsung is not stopping you from getting your phone repaired. They are not legally obliged to help you do so…that’s the difference.
Any corporation’s website.
Cop-out. Unless this is an opinion, going to cite the rules for providing a source that addresses the “factual” statement. The above falls flat.
 
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Many, many companies have annual release cycles. You are free to vote with your dollars against those companies you believe are creating e-waste. There’s a balance between doing business and your view of what these companies do.

Apple or Samsung is not stopping you from getting your phone repaired. They are not legally obliged to help you do so…that’s the difference.

So, why would they go all out to stop right to repair? Why would they slap message for third party battery? Third party screen? Even their party camera?

I don’t care if Apple helps me or not, I am not expecting Apple helps me when my Amazon sourced battery fails.

You can make all the excuse under the sun for Apple. It doesn’t change fact Apple is hostile towards right to repair.
 
MacBook Pros require significantly more power than what most people have for USB-C chargers. As far as iPads, no idea. I think they should leave those out as well as a lot of people have chargers that could charge those devices. So yeah, I think they should leave those out as well.

Third party repair is a different ball of wax entirely and I'm not going to get into that here in this thread with you but I'll just say I'm all for first party repair and Apple having that control to ensure the device is repaired properly and if the device is losing support, you need to upgrade and recycle the old device. That's all I'm going to get into about it here.

Yeah, every company does an environment report NOW, but Apple has done it for years prior before it was the norm. Make no mistake, Apple cares far more about the environment than any other tech company in their class and that's a fact.

Any USB-C power supply capable to deliver 60 or 100W is able to supply power to MacBook. Anyone who has pervious generation MacBook is able to reused charger.

Apple randomly decided iPhone doesn’t need ship charger because we all had charger at somepoint. Same thing applies to MacBooks.

Apple is making a killing with first party repairs. What does Apple even do? Swaps a screen? Swaps a battery? Anything else, you gonna have to shell out big amount for replacement unit.

Get iPhone 7 with audio problem? Welcome to 400 dollars bill… for a refurbished new iPhone 7. God Apple has courage to charge this amount of money for iPhone 7. Any trained professional is capable of replace audio chip.
 
Arbitrary to *YOU*

Fair enough.

However, My 2011 Mac mini is capable to run Windows 10 and Linux where it can’t handle newest macOS. Either Apple is greedy or Apple can’t code macOS to make new macOS run on old hardware.

It is very ironic that first party OEM can’t ship new OS run on old hardware where third party OS can.
 
So, why would they go all out to stop right to repair? Why would they slap message for third party battery? Third party screen? Even their party camera?

I don’t care if Apple helps me or not, I am not expecting Apple helps me when my Amazon sourced battery fails.

You can make all the excuse under the sun for Apple. It doesn’t change fact Apple is hostile towards right to repair.
In the same way you can criticize Apple for all you think is wrong with the company. There usually are multiple points of views that are in the middle. Apple doesn’t want to be in the hook for shoddy repairs, would be my guess.
 
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Apple randomly decided iPhone doesn’t need ship charger because we all had charger at somepoint. Same thing applies to MacBooks.[…]
What appears random to you is not random at all. If you think about it apple ships hundreds of millions of iPhones in a year. Including a charger with each iPhone is a different scale than including a charger with a Mac, whose sales are much, much less.

 
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Fair enough.

However, My 2011 Mac mini is capable to run Windows 10 and Linux where it can’t handle newest macOS. Either Apple is greedy or Apple can’t code macOS to make new macOS run on old hardware.

It is very ironic that first party OEM can’t ship new OS run on old hardware where third party OS can.

Windows 10 was released on 2015 and I can't recall a single user facing feature introduced since then that I use nearly everyday except maybe "Night Light". Even dark mode sucks.

Since 2015, Apple has released user facing features that I use nearly everyday such as Dark Mode, Documents and Desktop in the cloud, Apple Watch unlock, Stocks and Home app, Universal Clipboard, Messages in the Cloud, Activation Lock, Sidecar, Music app, 4k video in Safari, Look Around in Maps, completely redesigned UI, etc...

Compare Windows 10 and macOS for the past 6 years and I think everyone can agree Apple has changed or added new user features to their operating system more than Microsoft.
 
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In the same way you can criticize Apple for all you think is wrong with the company. There usually are multiple points of views that are in the middle. Apple doesn’t want to be in the hook for shoddy repairs, would be my guess.

Not just Apple.

It is the same reason that I would never buy Tesla. No mistake, I like Tesla. But I don’t like its attitude towards right to repair.

I can say as far as I dislike trend of electric car. All of them are very integrated and hard to repairs.

I will continue drive my gasoline car. It is much more repairable than any electric car
 
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Windows 10 was released on 2015 and I can't recall a single user facing feature introduced since then that I use nearly everyday except maybe "Night Light". Even dark mode sucks.

Since 2015, Apple has released user facing features that I use nearly everyday such as Dark Mode, Documents and Desktop in the cloud, Apple Watch unlock, Stocks and Home app, Universal Clipboard, Messages in the Cloud, Activation Lock, Sidecar, Music app, 4k video in Safari, Look Around in Maps, completely redesigned UI, etc...

Compare Windows 10 and macOS for the past 6 years and I think everyone can agree Apple has changed or added new user features to their operating system more than Microsoft.

None of the features you listed warrant not support old devices.

I can go install Windows 10 from Core 2 Duo era Pc and still runs fine.

Same as you can download Google earth, or using Google Map street view on old machine.
 
None of the features you listed warrant not support old devices.

I can go install Windows 10 from Core 2 Duo era Pc and still runs fine.

Same as you can download Google earth, or using Google Map street view on old machine.

Wrong. In macOS Mojave 10.14, the UI frameworks were rewritten to take advantage of Metal to speed up the UI and support Dark Mode. Only 2012 devices and up had the graphics chip that supports Metal.
 
Wrong. In macOS Mojave 10.14, the UI frameworks were rewritten to take advantage of Metal to speed up the UI and support Dark Mode. Only 2012 devices and up had the graphics chip that supports Metal.

Actually not really. I can technically run macOS Catalina on 2011 Mac mini using Catalina patcher. It will work.

Again, Apple decided to cut off
 
Actually not really. I can technically run macOS Catalina on 2011 Mac mini using Catalina patcher. It will work.

Again, Apple decided to cut off

No. Apple can't guarantee the performance of the Mac mini 2011 due to changes to the UI framework. See reports:

Performance was pretty good but I had reverted back to High Sierra due to some glitches with remote access (VNC)
Some of our OpenGL screen savers have some flickering but nothing major for me.



I installed Catalina on my old MacBook Pro 2010 (Mid) and now I have some graphical glitches.


Anyone knows how to fix graphical bugs in Microsoft ToDo (MBP 15 inch 2010)?


For the most part it's fine, but have lost a lot of fps on games and the mouse seems to glitch out occasionally, so would prefer to go back to High Sierra.

Only issue I have now that I wasn’t experiencing before on my early 2011 MacBook Pro is that the Airplay function to my Apple TV stopped working.
 
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This year is really boring year.
I can accept that opinion.

M1 iPad is stupid and pointless without true capabilities of multitasking, floating windows and ability to have stable way to transfer files. For god sake, try to transfer 20GB worth of video footage to iPad, you will suffer.
I don't share your opinion that the M1 is stupid and pointless. Even if Apple doesn't take advantage of the upgrades right now, you get a better machine that should last longer (and with a better screen in the case of the 12.9) for the same price as last year. I get that most don't need to upgrade, but those entering the IPP market are getting a banging deal.

I agree the Apple needs to sort out the file transfer issues, and that the Files app still has a bit to go.

As far as floating windows go, ya'll need to let this notion die already. Apple will NOT turn the iPad into a Mac. Period.

iPadOS 15 is just other pointless updates that doesn’t take capabilities of M1 iPad.
Those are two very different things. The first is a negative (yet subjective) opinion I can accept, even if I don't share it.

The second I can also accept, based on most expectations I've heard. However, I really appreciate a lot of the features they're bringing to not just the M1, but to ALL (supported) iPads.

Everything Apple has done this year and last year was pretty boring. There is nothing really ground breaking.
Perhaps Apple is no longer the company for you. I also struggled with this when they killed the 17" MBP, and started soldering and gluing up every dang device circa 2012. I just stopped buying their products until late last year.

Now my needs have changed, and any iPad will suffice. I picked the biggest, most powerful one simply because it is a better long-term investment for the same price as the previous one, and it has the latest tech. The M1 iPad has the CPU horsepower, RAM, and TB connectivity that will last me a WHILE, even if right now the software isn't really there yet.

But I don't need it to become a Mac, or run desktop apps. Right now I'm happy with the iPad being just that.

I feel Apple is busy, with the AS transition and all that. We're only half-way. Maybe you can wait it out, or just go ahead and jump ship now and come back if you see something you like later on (like I did).
 
I can accept that opinion.


I don't share your opinion that the M1 is stupid and pointless. Even if Apple doesn't take advantage of the upgrades right now, you get a better machine that should last longer (and with a better screen in the case of the 12.9) for the same price as last year. I get that most don't need to upgrade, but those entering the IPP market are getting a banging deal.

I agree the Apple needs to sort out the file transfer issues, and that the Files app still has a bit to go.

As far as floating windows go, ya'll need to let this notion die already. Apple will NOT turn the iPad into a Mac. Period.


Those are two very different things. The first is a negative (yet subjective) opinion I can accept, even if I don't share it.

The second I can also accept, based on most expectations I've heard. However, I really appreciate a lot of the features they're bringing to not just the M1, but to ALL (supported) iPads.


Perhaps Apple is no longer the company for you. I also struggled with this when they killed the 17" MBP, and started soldering and gluing up every dang device circa 2012. I just stopped buying their products until late last year.

Now my needs have changed, and any iPad will suffice. I picked the biggest, most powerful one simply because it is a better long-term investment for the same price as the previous one, and it has the latest tech. The M1 iPad has the CPU horsepower, RAM, and TB connectivity that will last me a WHILE, even if right now the software isn't really there yet.

But I don't need it to become a Mac, or run desktop apps. Right now I'm happy with the iPad being just that.

I feel Apple is busy, with the AS transition and all that. We're only half-way. Maybe you can wait it out, or just go ahead and jump ship now and come back if you see something you like later on (like I did).

Maybe you can help me here. But I am struggling to understand what is the point of M1 iPad when it cost similar to M1 MacBook Pro.

When you combine the keyboard case and M1 iPad, it cost similar (12.9 inch) to MacBook Pro and weight similar.

Yet, iPad Pro can’t do as much MacBook Pro. It is like you spend same amount of money for something less capable.

I too have 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 with keyboard case, because I got with big discount. I can count using my hand how many times I used this thing. Most of time, it is sitting in my drawer.
 
Maybe you can help me here. But I am struggling to understand what is the point of M1 iPad when it cost similar to M1 MacBook Pro.
Cost is no object when you get what you want. The cost of the iPad has not changed much with or without M1. If anything, the cost went down with the M1, as you get so much more for the same price as last year (if I remember correctly).

When you combine the keyboard case and M1 iPad, it cost similar (12.9 inch) to MacBook Pro and weight similar.
Again, not about price, but about functionality (how you use the device). Weight is a separate and more complex issue I address below..

Yet, iPad Pro can’t do as much MacBook Pro. It is like you spend same amount of money for something less capable.
This is not an objective argument (and the money issue one more time). It's like saying everyone should drive a pickup truck because it is more "capable" than a sports car. The iPad and the Mac's capabilities can intersect in some things, but they occupy very different spaces and are each very capable for the roles they're designed for.

I too have 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 with keyboard case, because I got with big discount. I can count using my hand how many times I used this thing. Most of time, it is sitting in my drawer.
So, for you the iPad is a waste of time, so there's no need to try to fit a round peg in a square hole with your computing wants and needs.

There are several things that make the iPad attractive over a MacBook (to many of us, not everybody). Here's a few (in no particular order):

1. iPadOS: Yes, this is hard to believe for Mac fans but not everyone likes macOS. Some of us CHOOSE iPadOS over it, as it is more familiar given the similarity to iOS.

2. Modularity: I don't always need or want the keyboard & trackpad, so I can leave them behind without impacting the device's full functionality. The Mac CANNOT do this.

3. Pencil support: Yet another thing the Mac cannot do (on the screen, and without added peripherals, that is).

4. Weight: This is a result of the iPad's modularity; the iPad is a standalone device that you CAN add peripherals to to enhance it, but they are not NECESSARY. We have three iPad users in my household, and we all use them as iPads, not 2-in-1s. We don't even own a keyboard for them (although I will get the Magic Keyboard soon).

5. I have everything I used a Mac for: For 20 years, my Macs were simply "iLife" devices, that is, a repository for managing and curating photos, videos, music, and documents. Now I can do that from the couch, away from a desk, in the car, etc., in a MUCH less cumbersome way (to me at least) than with a desktop or laptop. And I can do things with it that I can't on a Mac.

6. Last but not least-FUN: I enjoy using iPadOS, and learning its idiosyncrasies and limitations even. Yes, sometimes my Mac-muscle-memory gets in the way, but those instances are few in my use-case.

For me, the iPad is a device from the future: a thin piece of glass and aluminum that turns into whatever I need when I need it, at the touch of my fingertip or at the sound of my voice.
 
Cost is no object when you get what you want. The cost of the iPad has not changed much with or without M1. If anything, the cost went down with the M1, as you get so much more for the same price as last year (if I remember correctly).


Again, not about price, but about functionality (how you use the device). Weight is a separate and more complex issue I address below..


This is not an objective argument (and the money issue one more time). It's like saying everyone should drive a pickup truck because it is more "capable" than a sports car. The iPad and the Mac's capabilities can intersect in some things, but they occupy very different spaces and are each very capable for the roles they're designed for.


So, for you the iPad is a waste of time, so there's no need to try to fit a round peg in a square hole with your computing wants and needs.

There are several things that make the iPad attractive over a MacBook (to many of us, not everybody). Here's a few (in no particular order):

1. iPadOS: Yes, this is hard to believe for Mac fans but not everyone likes macOS. Some of us CHOOSE iPadOS over it, as it is more familiar given the similarity to iOS.

2. Modularity: I don't always need or want the keyboard & trackpad, so I can leave them behind without impacting the device's full functionality. The Mac CANNOT do this.

3. Pencil support: Yet another thing the Mac cannot do (on the screen, and without added peripherals, that is).

4. Weight: This is a result of the iPad's modularity; the iPad is a standalone device that you CAN add peripherals to to enhance it, but they are not NECESSARY. We have three iPad users in my household, and we all use them as iPads, not 2-in-1s. We don't even own a keyboard for them (although I will get the Magic Keyboard soon).

5. I have everything I used a Mac for: For 20 years, my Macs were simply "iLife" devices, that is, a repository for managing and curating photos, videos, music, and documents. Now I can do that from the couch, away from a desk, in the car, etc., in a MUCH less cumbersome way (to me at least) than with a desktop or laptop. And I can do things with it that I can't on a Mac.

6. Last but not least-FUN: I enjoy using iPadOS, and learning its idiosyncrasies and limitations even. Yes, sometimes my Mac-muscle-memory gets in the way, but those instances are few in my use-case.

For me, the iPad is a device from the future: a thin piece of glass and aluminum that turns into whatever I need when I need it, at the touch of my fingertip or at the sound of my voice.

Thank you for your input.
 
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I just upgraded my friend to Mojave and the Safari syncing started working, I guess that was the problem, I told them not to apply any macOS updates beyond that.

I suppose you could try fire fox syncing with High Sierra and iOS 14?
I don’t want to use Firefox. I grudgingly have it installed on my Mac for Amazon Watch Party (no Safari support at all), but I won’t install it on my phone. The ethos is simplicity, not “act like it’s Windows”.

There are also a bunch of other things I will lose by moving to a new Mac. I am not flush with cash. I’m on disability. The push toward replacing everything because of incompatibility and dropped driver updates has become a major pile of issues.
 
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Thank Apple for supporting your super old Mac for many years.
What does this have to do with anything? Also: my other old Mac only has High Sierra because someone hacked the installers for Sierra & High Sierra. My iMac hasn’t been supported since Mojave, because Apple decided not to update the required GPU drivers. I’m not complaining about the length of support for the machine. I’m complaining about the problems with breaking the ecosystem WITHIN supported systems.
 
What does this have to do with anything? Also: my other old Mac only has High Sierra because someone hacked the installers for Sierra & High Sierra. My iMac hasn’t been supported since Mojave, because Apple decided not to update the required GPU drivers. I’m not complaining about the length of support for the machine. I’m complaining about the problems with breaking the ecosystem WITHIN supported systems.

If you like, Apple can cut off iOS support earlier so it matches your old Macs so you won’t get the option of updating it.

Really it’s a stupid thing to complain about.
 
If you like, Apple can cut off iOS support earlier so it matches your old Macs so you won’t get the option of updating it.

Really it’s a stupid thing to complain about.
You’re still making no relevant commentary and acting like I’m the problem. 🤷🏽‍♂️
 
You’re still making no relevant commentary and acting like I’m the problem. 🤷🏽‍♂️


If you're just going to say "it's not relevant" to everything that you don't understand then I'm done. I'm not going to argue with you, especially for someone who is replying to a month old post. Bye.
 
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