iOS 15 Compatible With All iPhones That Run iOS 14

[urnotl33t]

This is awesome! I get another year with the 1st gen SE.

Same here. My wallet breathes a sigh of relief. I told my daughter earlier “this could be an expensive year for me” (Watch S3, iPhone SE OG). I know I won’t get a lot of the features, but that’s ok for now. Let’s hope this list doesn’t change in Sep/Oct like it did for macOS one year (Mountain Lion? Sierra? Re: handoff and continuity due to WiFi chip support).

 

[urnotl33t]

No way I’m installing anything past 12.4.1 on my 6s.
Apple can keep updating the 6s for as long as they want but they already “killed” the device with ios 13.
On 12.4.1 i have great battery life (almost ios 10 level), speed is INSANE, and everything runs incredibly smooth, easily comparable to a fully updated SE gen 2. And that seamless integration of 3rd touch (yes I actually use it, and when mastered it’s a nice feature to have).
Also since apple is still updating ios 12 with security patches, app developers are not fully dropping ios 12 support yet.

Yes 13 was hot garbage. 14 is… “better”, but I hit bugs all day every day, esp. with notifications. With only one notification on screen, on iPad, swiping it either way acts like it’s not even there. Swiping brings up camera or the sidebar/widgets. Notification can’t be accessed. If more than 1 notification is present, all of them behave correctly except the top one in the list.

It feels like a bad layering issue. Been there since iOS 13. Sigh.

 

[macguy2021]

Apple have always been amazing at telling how everything they do is only to the benefits of the customer, and just a strange coencidence if it also might persuade people to ditch their old phones for new models. A cheaper better and more efficient way to change batteries the iPhones would be better for the customers and also very much for the environment, but probably not so much Apple as the ”we will slow down your cpu to improve your experience“-strategy. While ditching the chargers was so much for the benefits of the environment, and magically by coencidence also for Apple (surprice!!)

It is okay to drink the cool-aid, it is just smart to be aware that you are drinking it.

I'm not drinking any cool aid. If they did something wrong I'd say so. Some people just want to believe the worst about them. I'm not so sure that's not the camp you are in.

The charger deal was the fact that everyone does have a pile of chargers at home. When you trade in your phone with Apple, for example, you are told to keep the box, chargers, earpods, cables, whatever it may be. And people selling phones likely have more than one spare. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 lightning cables alone I've amassed over the years and I only own three iDevices right now and between 5w, 12w, and 20w chargers I've got 10 or better sitting in a drawer. It is e-waste. Especially the bricks themselves. Also most people just use the Anker bricks that charge multiple devices anyway. Samsung followed suit and now they are also just including a cable.

Apple's best solution to this would have been to include only the cable, but for those that truly don't have a charger at home, there would be a link to put in the new device serial number, request a brick, and they would send you a brick charging you only shipping cost.

If Apple had done nothing to save battery life, people would be whining about their phones dying earlier. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

 

[macguy2021]

I guarantee you, you have more people wanting their Apple devices to be useful for longer than you do those that demand the latest features of new operating system (especially when they're all annual and with typically few changes to really write home about).

Also Microsoft offers 10 years of support for those that need it. Most people don't because, unlike Apple, Microsoft doesn't permanently break everything under the hood every time they release a new Windows 10 version. At worst, it's buggy for the first month or two and is then perfectly stable. I WISH I could say the same of Apple's releases.



I'm not saying a first generation iPad mini should always get new features, but the idea that its performance has to degrade because people demand the latest features on everything (including devices that shouldn't get them) is ridiculous. Plain and simple. The hardware works, but software is crippling it. Furthermore, it's not like you can't have a perfectly usable operating system running on said hardware, but, since that wasn't the direction Apple wanted to go in, the hardware is useless because the software crippled it.



We BOUGHT the hardware. We never agreed to rent it. Suggesting that the two concepts are to be equated is ridiculous.


Not everyone can afford to replace their iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, or iMac when they are no longer able to run the latest operating system. The idea that I should be GRATEFUL to Apple for pushing annual OS updates (when they could just as easily do them every other year) that accelerate my Apple product's journey towards obsolescence is like saying that I ought to be grateful to companies that put processed sugar into food that I eat. It shortens my life, but I'm addicted to it and I should be grateful that it's there for me to ingest even though it's doing its part to give me diabetes and/or cancer. Praise be to Apple for making me spend more money sooner!

Microsoft not breaking things with updates? Bahahahaha. Get freakin' real. I could fill up an entire page alone of documentation of an update breaking critical parts of the system. Also, until there was severe outrage, Microsoft was forcing Windows 10 updates on people and often would just up and restart in the middle of a person's word document or video game to do a Patch Tuesday update. If you are going to be making claims about Microsoft's "perfections", you best get it "right"!.

As far as people not affording an upgrade. If you have an iPad Mini 1 and won't upgrade it, I feel exactly 0.0% sympathy for you. Or any device at the end of it's rope. Try that with Samsung sometime. You get one or two OS's at best. But yes, tell me how bad we are for wanting new features. If you want something that never gets real support past oh say 2 or 3 at most updates, grab a Samsung. Just don't be complaining about that either when it's the opposite problem. As I said, Apple can do no right in the eyes of some people.

PS, they did do as you request and you can stay on older firmware now with security patches.

 

[macguy2021]

I used to believe that Apple slowed down their devices intentionally so you'd upgrade. Well, I believed that they didn't put enough RAM in them intentionally... which I still kinda do believe. Business is business, but I concede I don't know the reason (it could be technical). I try to be a reasonable skeptic.

That said, this was what kept me from iOS/iPadOS before, but now I'm not worried about it at all because I think we've reached a point where we have more power on tap than we (the average user like me, that is) need.

I don't think I'll ever push my iPhone 12 Pro or my iPads to their limit. But again, non-pro user here.

Thank you for being reasonable and sound in your viewpoint.

 

[MhaelK]

I'm not drinking any cool aid. If they did something wrong I'd say so. Some people just want to believe the worst about them. I'm not so sure that's not the camp you are in.

The charger deal was the fact that everyone does have a pile of chargers at home. When you trade in your phone with Apple, for example, you are told to keep the box, chargers, earpods, cables, whatever it may be. And people selling phones likely have more than one spare. I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 15 lightning cables alone I've amassed over the years and I only own three iDevices right now and between 5w, 12w, and 20w chargers I've got 10 or better sitting in a drawer. It is e-waste. Especially the bricks themselves. Also most people just use the Anker bricks that charge multiple devices anyway. Samsung followed suit and now they are also just including a cable.

Apple's best solution to this would have been to include only the cable, but for those that truly don't have a charger at home, there would be a link to put in the new device serial number, request a brick, and they would send you a brick charging you only shipping cost.

If Apple had done nothing to save battery life, people would be whining about their phones dying earlier. Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Except it was at the same time that Apple was moving away from usb-a chargers to more powerfull usb- c Chargers and cables . So if you wanted to use fast charging for you new phone - as everybody wants to. Then the whole “everybody Got an Old charger at home“ statement starts to sound kind of fake.

But of course, just because I don’t Think everything Apple does must be for the benefit of the customer or environment only - then I must be in the hater Camp. That definately doesnt make you Sound like someone who has been drinking too much of the cool-aid😜😂😜

 

[Locke Cole]

Isnt the budget iPad only 2gb? and Apple is still selling those. If so I don’t don’t think support for all 2gb devices will be dropped. But 2gb is definitely a limiting factor by now.

edit: no, my mistake, the budget iPad has 3gb of ram. So I think you could be right, about dropping support for all 2gb devices at once.

Ultimately, only time will tell. Let's wait and see what ends up happening!

 

[macguy2021]

Except it was at the same time that Apple was moving away from usb-a chargers to more powerfull usb- c Chargers and cables . So if you wanted to use fast charging for you new phone - as everybody wants to. Then the whole “everybody Got an Old charger at home“ statement starts to sound kind of fake.

But of course, just because I don’t Think everything Apple does must be for the benefit of the customer or environment only - then I must be in the hater Camp. That definately doesnt make you Sound like someone who has been drinking too much of the cool-aid😜😂😜

LOL I'll call Apple out if they actually do something wrong. On these issues, they have not. Apple has been publcially environmentally friendly long before any other tech biz. They've been putting eco reports on product launches since the Steve Jobs era. It's not like with the launch of the 12 series they suddenly decided to start caring about e-waste.

You've not posted a single complementary or neutral thing about Apple, so sure it's easy to call you out as anti-Apple. I mean if someone is going to say I'm drinking coolaid because I am simply calling out the obvious, they are going to get an inflammatory response in return. You have this conspiracy like mindset about Apple and it's hilariously out of touch.

Your argument about not having USB-C chargers might hold more weight if they had switched to USB-C ports. You can still use those bricks and USB-A to lightning cables collecting dust. If you want fast charging, buy a fast charger. But don't make it seem like they get the phone and can't hook it up with their old iPhone charging bricks or cables, okay?

 

[Darth Tulhu]

As far as people not affording an upgrade. If you have an iPad Mini 1 and won't upgrade it, I feel exactly 0.0% sympathy for you. Or any device at the end of it's rope. Try that with Samsung sometime. You get one or two OS's at best. But yes, tell me how bad we are for wanting new features. If you want something that never gets real support past oh say 2 or 3 at most updates, grab a Samsung.

To be fair, I think that comparing Samsung updates (or Android in general) to iOS device updates is not really an apples-to-apples comparison.

Yes, it's true that Sammy's get two, maybe 3 full-OS updates in their lifecycle, but that's somewhat irrelevant.

Apple loves to trickle their features via said full OS updates. Android doesn't work this way.

Android phones get features so much sooner than Apple, that those one or two updates are quantum leaps forward (even if they lack Apple's signature polish).

I left iOS for Sammy after my 4s went to doodoo with iOS 7 (to a Galaxy S4--see link below), and remained on Sammy's camp until my iPhone 12 Pro.

Each platform has it's strengths and weaknesses, and now that I'm living the (almost Mac-less) iPad life it made sense to de-hybridize my ecosystem and go full Apple again.

But there are STILL features on my old S4 from 8 years ago(!) that are missing from iPhone. For example:

WHY THE HELL DO APPLE iPHONE APPS NOT WORK IN LANDSCAPE???

 

[macguy2021]

To be fair, I think that comparing Samsung updates (or Android in general) to iOS device updates is not really an apples-to-apples comparison.

Yes, it's true that Sammy's get two, maybe 3 full-OS updates in their lifecycle, but that's somewhat irrelevant.

Apple loves to trickle their features via said full OS updates. Android doesn't work this way.

Android phones get features so much sooner than Apple, that those one or two updates are quantum leaps forward (even if they lack Apple's signature polish).

I left iOS for Sammy after my 4s went to doodoo with iOS 7 (to a Galaxy S4--see link below), and remained on Sammy's camp until my iPhone 12 Pro.

Each platform has it's strengths and weaknesses, and now that I'm living the (almost Mac-less) iPad life it made sense to de-hybridize my ecosystem and go full Apple again.

But there are STILL features on my old S4 from 8 years ago(!) that are missing from iPhone. For example:

WHY THE HELL DO APPLE iPHONE APPS NOT WORK IN LANDSCAPE???

The people who want Android's openness know who they are and resistance is futile. I don't even try to change them.

The last thing I want to see is iOS opened up to the point of Android or clogging it up with things like that. That would be a colossal mistake. iOS's beauty is in it's restrictions and that's what makes it so buttery smooth and easy to use because of water-tight first party integrations and support. It's what makes the ecosystem the ecosystem.

OS updates are still important. Yes you can install APKs or custom ROMs, but first party integration will always be smoother than some 3rd party workaround of an app. Not to mention the under the hood improvements. I still think it's Samsung being very anti-consumer to not offer better support. If someone wants an Android device they really should get a Pixel. I think the way Samsung handles customer service is vile. Whether or not you can get an app to do something similar to a feature is irrelevant. Samsung needs to just not be lazy and give people their updates. At least offer them for 4-5 years. I mean come on! It would seriously improve their resell value as well. For the people who don't know how to sideload apps or tweaks, they just want the new features. And they should get them. At least offer it!

I recently set up a Galaxy S21 for a family member who is not tech savvy (maybe I should have pushed for *that* person to get an iPhone!) and it's just so janky to me. Even still. I think Pixels are marginally better in performance and have less UI jank or lag overall. And the updates are better. I still think Google has a long way to go to matching Apple's level of support and service overall, but I will give them props for not being so damn stingy with their updates they give!

 

[Darth Tulhu]

The people who want Android's openness know who they are and resistance is futile. I don't even try to change them. The last thing I want to see is iOS opened up to the point of Android or clogging it up with things like that. That would be a colossal mistake.

Agreed.

iOS's beauty is in it's restrictions and that's what makes it so buttery smooth and easy to use because of water-tight first party integrations and support. It's what makes the ecosystem the ecosystem.

I'm not sure that this is due to their "restrictions", but whatever the reason, Apple's ecosystem integration is near perfect.

OS updates are still important. Yes you can install APKs or custom ROMs, but first party integration will always be smoother than some 3rd party workaround of an app. Not to mention the under the hood improvements. I still think it's Samsung being very anti-consumer to not offer better support. If someone wants an Android device they really should get a Pixel. I think the way Samsung handles customer service is vile. Whether or not you can get an app to do something similar to a feature is irrelevant. Samsung needs to just not be lazy and give people their updates. At least offer them for 4-5 years. I mean come on! It would seriously improve their resell value as well. For the people who don't know how to sideload apps or tweaks, they just want the new features. And they should get them. At least offer it!

I recently set up a Galaxy S21 for a family member who is not tech savvy (maybe I should have pushed for *that* person to get an iPhone!) and it's just so janky to me. Even still. I think Pixels are marginally better in performance and have less UI jank or lag overall. And the updates are better. I still think Google has a long way to go to matching Apple's level of support and service overall, but I will give them props for not being so damn stingy with their updates they give!

I agree with most of this, but my point really is that Samsung devices offered features tech light years ahead of Apple, which made getting features through OS updates somewhat moot.

Apple kept doing OS updates, and I kept ignoring their devices because the features I had on my current Samsung phone were still missing. At that time I can say that I valued features over everything else Apple was offering, including its renowned ecosystem.

I was HAPPY in Samsung's camp for almost a decade, and one of the primary reasons why I came back to iPhone was because it finally became Android-like enough that the main features I wanted from my Sammies were FINALLY on iPhone (even if they didn't work quite the same way).

Also, my wants and needs changed: iPads became the center of my universe, with phone and computers as satellites. The ecosystem suddenly became the killer feature.

Nowadays (for the most part) I get most of what I ALWAYS wanted: (enough) Android features, Apple hardware polish, power, ecosystem integration, and service and support.

I get to keep my cake and eat it too.

 

[macguy2021]

Agreed.


I'm not sure that this is due to their "restrictions", but whatever the reason, Apple's ecosystem integration is near perfect.


I agree with most of this, but my point really is that Samsung devices offered features tech light years ahead of Apple, which made getting features through OS updates somewhat moot.

Apple kept doing OS updates, and I kept ignoring their devices because the features I had on my current Samsung phone were still missing. At that time I can say that I valued features over everything else Apple was offering, including its renowned ecosystem.

I was HAPPY in Samsung's camp for almost a decade, and one of the primary reasons why I came back to iPhone was because it finally became Android-like enough that the main features I wanted from my Sammies were FINALLY on iPhone (even if they didn't work quite the same way).

Also, my wants and needs changed: iPads became the center of my universe, with phone and computers as satellites. The ecosystem suddenly became the killer feature.

Nowadays (for the most part) I get most of what I ALWAYS wanted: (enough) Android features, Apple hardware polish, power, ecosystem integration, and service and support.

I get to keep my cake and eat it too.

I think Apple will allow more and more theming and customization in the future but I just don't want it open like that. Security and privacy go a long way with me as well as that polish and integration. By restrictions I mean not having a rogue app slow down your phone or putting on something that takes more background resources than Apple allows.

With the talk about iOS 14 being a let down I think it helps people to remember Apple is on a tick-tock cycle. First the phone gets new features, then the next year its minor improvements and polish while the iPad gets those features from last year and then the following year gets those minor improvements and polish from last year. That's the pattern.

To use an Apple phrase, this was an "S" year for the iPhone software. Next year will be an "S" year for the iPad software unless they break tradition due to people asking for a redesign. But in years past it's always been that way. And the macOS while it doesn't rotate like that, macOS updates can sometimes be an S year, sometimes even reflected in the name even though they don't do that naming structure anymore. I kinda feel like Monterey is an S year. Big Sur all in all has been great for me but Catalina wasn't my bag. It wasn't broken, but it didn't feel like anything special to me. I like the years where it's a bigger deal, but I think taking a year to refine what you got and only introduce easy-to-add features is probably best for stability and performance overall. Especially for those that want an every-other-year cycle.

It's also quite possible this was an S year for iPhone because of COVID. Because I think the large part of 14 was done pre-COVID and that's why it was so surprising and cool and had a lot of new stuff, even more than usual. At WWDC last year it was in full swing, but that software had already been designed prior to that to a large degree I would bet. All was left was bug squashing. Where as this year's releases WWDC comes at a time where things are looking better, but last year is when they would have been working on this stuff in the heat of the battle with COVID and it would have been more of a hampered deal between work-from-home and priorities. So that's something to keep in mind for those that are disappointed (not talking about you, but others posting about the disappointment). Especially for iPadOS people.

 

[Darth Tulhu]

I think Apple will allow more and more theming and customization in the future but I just don't want it open like that. Security and privacy go a long way with me as well as that polish and integration. By restrictions I mean not having a rogue app slow down your phone or putting on something that takes more background resources than Apple allows.

That is true. Security and privacy are increasingly becoming more of a concern, even if I can't really test it out. It's slightly reassuring that Apple says they're committed to it.

And I also want reasonable customization options (like placing homescreen icons within thumb reach), but not at the expense of security or stability. Apple's style has always been elegant in my opinion, so that's a non-issue for me.

With the talk about iOS 14 being a let down I think it helps people to remember Apple is on a tick-tock cycle. First the phone gets new features, then the next year its minor improvements and polish while the iPad gets those features from last year and then the following year gets those minor improvements and polish from last year. That's the pattern.

To use an Apple phrase, this was an "S" year for the iPhone software. Next year will be an "S" year for the iPad software unless they break tradition due to people asking for a redesign. But in years past it's always been that way. And the macOS while it doesn't rotate like that, macOS updates can sometimes be an S year, sometimes even reflected in the name even though they don't do that naming structure anymore. I kinda feel like Monterey is an S year. Big Sur all in all has been great for me but Catalina wasn't my bag. It wasn't broken, but it didn't feel like anything special to me. I like the years where it's a bigger deal, but I think taking a year to refine what you got and only introduce easy-to-add features is probably best for stability and performance overall. Especially for those that want an every-other-year cycle.

It's also quite possible this was an S year for iPhone because of COVID. Because I think the large part of 14 was done pre-COVID and that's why it was so surprising and cool and had a lot of new stuff, even more than usual. At WWDC last year it was in full swing, but that software had already been designed prior to that to a large degree I would bet. All was left was bug squashing. Where as this year's releases WWDC comes at a time where things are looking better, but last year is when they would have been working on this stuff in the heat of the battle with COVID and it would have been more of a hampered deal between work-from-home and priorities. So that's something to keep in mind for those that are disappointed (not talking about you, but others posting about the disappointment). Especially for iPadOS people.

True.

Over the years I've learned that not every feature Apple puts out is going to be a home run (don't really care for say, NightShift), but there is always something cool.

This year is already a BIG winner as far as I'm concerned, with the M1 iPads, iMacs, and all the iPadOS 15 new features (don't really care about Focus, but it's cool), and we're still half way.

Last year we had the iPad Air, Magic Keyboard, trackpad/mouse support for iPad, the M1 MacBooks, and the promise of all-AS by 2022.

The year before that it was the return of the real Mac Pro, the death of the butterfly keyboard, and the 16-Inch MBP.

That's not to mention the Watch, AirPods, etc.

 

[JosephAW]

Trying to figure out the minimal supported macOS version.
Right now El Capitan supports iOS 14.
concerned iOS 15 or next will require Big Sur or M1 to sync music on the computer. I’m stuck at Mojave for now.

 

[femike]

Good news my iPhone 6S and iPad Air 2 is supported.

 

[dysamoria]

so if you were not given the OPTION to install iOS 15, you’d be singing the same tune “Apple cut support for my iPhone early, now I have to buy a new phone”

Apple can’t win with people like you

Don't tell me what I would or would not do. "People like you"?? You think you have everyone pegged, eh? You've no idea what kind of person I am. All you see is criticism of Apple and BOOM, I must be "a hater", with every trait you've decided makes up the monolithic group of "haters" you believe in.

Hot tip: People are much more diverse than your B&W worldview.

I was surprised iOS 14 was available for my phone, and THIS one surprised me again. I've long since resigned myself to needing a new phone. I hope to hold off on that until I can get a new Mac, because my Macs can't update past High Sierra.

I have NOT updated to iOS 13, let alone 14. I'm STILL on iOS 12 because updating beyond that will kill Safari iCloud sync with my High Sierra Macs. THAT was a lousy decision on Apple's part, and it's the primary reason for me not updating my phone. Whether iOS 14 or 15 is available to my iPhone 6s is utterly IRRELEVANT to me, since iCloud Safari synch is more important to me than dark mode (the only thing I WANTED from iOS 13).

Even without updating past iOS 12, my phone's performance is SUFFERING, especially with text input/typing. I have no idea why (no, it's not battery wear throttling), and the only discussion about this that I can find is people talking about iOS 14 on newer phones (nobody there seems to care that the problem has nothing to do with iOS 14 or new phones). My companion says her phone does the same thing, and she's got one that's two generations newer. I assume it's Apple's services, and that slow service response negatively affects text input. Bad design. It reminds me of how Explorer seizes up in Windows when a network resource or other storage device isn't ready.

My phone wasn't like this when iOS 12 was the current OS, but it was still much more performant with earlier iOS versions. It seems Apple don't even need me to upgrade my phone's OS in order to wreck its performance. As shown by people with much newer phones than mine, getting a new phone wont help this problem.

 

[dysamoria]

Trying to figure out the minimal supported macOS version.
Right now El Capitan supports iOS 14.
concerned iOS 15 or next will require Big Sur or M1 to sync music on the computer. I’m stuck at Mojave for now.

I'm stuck on High Sierra. That keeps me stuck on iOS 12, because anything newer than that will kill Safari iCloud synch between platforms.

 

[ChrisChaval]

iPad Air 2 will never die. Doing great since 2014.

The 2014 Macs, not so much with macOS 12 haha.

late 2014 Mac mini should be able to run macOS monterey

 

[JosephAW]

I'm stuck on High Sierra. That keeps me stuck on iOS 12, because anything newer than that will kill Safari iCloud synch between platforms.

I just upgraded my friend to Mojave and the Safari syncing started working, I guess that was the problem, I told them not to apply any macOS updates beyond that.

I suppose you could try fire fox syncing with High Sierra and iOS 14?

 

[farewelwilliams]

I have NOT updated to iOS 13, let alone 14. I'm STILL on iOS 12 because updating beyond that will kill Safari iCloud sync with my High Sierra Macs.

Thank Apple for supporting your super old Mac for many years.

 

[Aoligei]

That is true. Security and privacy are increasingly becoming more of a concern, even if I can't really test it out. It's slightly reassuring that Apple says they're committed to it.

And I also want reasonable customization options (like placing homescreen icons within thumb reach), but not at the expense of security or stability. Apple's style has always been elegant in my opinion, so that's a non-issue for me.


True.

Over the years I've learned that not every feature Apple puts out is going to be a home run (don't really care for say, NightShift), but there is always something cool.

This year is already a BIG winner as far as I'm concerned, with the M1 iPads, iMacs, and all the iPadOS 15 new features (don't really care about Focus, but it's cool), and we're still half way.

Last year we had the iPad Air, Magic Keyboard, trackpad/mouse support for iPad, the M1 MacBooks, and the promise of all-AS by 2022.

The year before that it was the return of the real Mac Pro, the death of the butterfly keyboard, and the 16-Inch MBP.

That's not to mention the Watch, AirPods, etc.

This year is really boring year. M1 iPad is stupid and pointless without true capabilities of multitasking, floating windows and ability to have stable way to transfer files. For god sake, try to transfer 20GB worth of video footage to iPad, you will suffer.

iPadOS 15 is just other pointless updates that doesn’t take capabilities of M1 iPad.

Everything Apple has done this year and last year was pretty boring. There is nothing really ground breaking.

 

[Aoligei]

LOL I'll call Apple out if they actually do something wrong. On these issues, they have not. Apple has been publcially environmentally friendly long before any other tech biz. They've been putting eco reports on product launches since the Steve Jobs era. It's not like with the launch of the 12 series they suddenly decided to start caring about e-waste.

You've not posted a single complementary or neutral thing about Apple, so sure it's easy to call you out as anti-Apple. I mean if someone is going to say I'm drinking coolaid because I am simply calling out the obvious, they are going to get an inflammatory response in return. You have this conspiracy like mindset about Apple and it's hilariously out of touch.

Your argument about not having USB-C chargers might hold more weight if they had switched to USB-C ports. You can still use those bricks and USB-A to lightning cables collecting dust. If you want fast charging, buy a fast charger. But don't make it seem like they get the phone and can't hook it up with their old iPhone charging bricks or cables, okay?

If Apple really care about environment, why are they still shipping charging brick with iPad or MacBook for that matter? It isn’t like people has no fast charger?

Apple should really gone ahead remove USBC cable as well. Oh even better, just ship the bare phone. Who need the box, right?

If Apple really cares about the environment, they should really let people repairs their phone, instead of charging couple hundreds of dollars for replacement phone. Thinks about how many iPhone 7 could be saved for no audio issue?


It is like every company has done environment report. Apple really isn’t in lead of environment protection.

 

[I7guy]

If Apple really care about environment, why are they still shipping charging brick with iPad or MacBook for that matter? It isn’t like people has no fast charger?

Great example of a straw man argument.

Apple should really gone ahead remove USBC cable as well. Oh even better, just ship the bare phone. Who need the box, right?

Just stop making product?

If Apple really cares about the environment, they should really let people repairs their phone, instead of charging couple hundreds of dollars for replacement phone. Thinks about how many iPhone 7 could be saved for no audio issue?

Apple isn’t stopping you from repairing your iPhone, in the same way Samsung isn’t stopping you from repairing your Note.

It is like every company has done environment report. Apple really isn’t in lead of environment protection.

Source?

 

[Aoligei]

Great example of a straw man argument.

Just stop making product?

Good idea. There is no need for annual update on iPhones or smartphone in that matters.

It is just these greedy corporations trying to encourage consumptions and creating more e-waste.

Apple isn’t stopping you from repairing your iPhone, in the same way Samsung isn’t stopping you from repairing your Note.

Totally. Apple went all the way out to stop right to repair. You really think Apple like you to repair your own phone? And Apple went all out to make sure to make independent repair as hard as possible.

Source?

Any corporation’s website.

 

[Aoligei]

Thank Apple for supporting your super old Mac for many years.

There is nothing to thank Apple for. Apple is one making arbitrary decision.

Just like they decide to render Intel Mac second class by not including some new features with macOS 12.