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I can't name a single person who listens to classical music. I feel like it's just not something a lot of people listen to anymore.

This has got to be one of the cringiest self owns I've seen here in a while.

EDIT: Too many people not understanding what I wrote I see.

We understand it perfectly and you still don't realize how what you revealed about yourself makes you look.

I see that you don't mean any harm by your post but my man, take it from the majority of this forum who've given you many hints, you're making yourself look uncultured, narrow minded and incapable of self awareness. There's a world outside of your bubble. You don't have to like classical music but understand that the world is far bigger and infinitely more diverse than your immediate sphere of perception.
 
I feel like this is iTunes LP and Ping all over again. I can't name a single person who listens to classical music. I feel like it's just not something a lot of people listen to anymore.

EDIT: Too many people not understanding what I wrote I see.
... and on the contrary, almost EVERYONE I know listens to classical music. So ... 🤷‍♂️
 
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I can’t name a single person that listens to newer music anymore or the radio. Maybe because everyone I talk to about music is in a different age group and have different tastes. Doesn’t mean there aren’t millions that do listen to it.
Remark says a lot about you but nothing about the amount of people enjoying classical music.
 
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I feel like this is iTunes LP and Ping all over again. I can't name a single person who listens to classical music. I feel like it's just not something a lot of people listen to anymore.
Welp, Apple's marketing seems to think otherwise...
 
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I see the need for a completely different navigation and browsing experience for classical music from contemporary music with an emphasis on composers, and that seems to justify a separate app, but a simple toggle could accomplish the same thing while sharing all the underlying streaming and playback architecture. Perhaps there won't even be a toggle. Classical music listeners will just be shown different options based on their listening and search history.

I'm going to guess it's going to appear in the side bar where iTunes Store currently lives and is optional.
Both the older iTunes-app and Apple Music, have the possibility in the metadata to declare if it should focus on composer or not. Apple also added the Work/Movement metadata in iTunes, and finally it works well both on macOS and iOS versions of Apple Music. Already today you can show your library by composer.

What is missing however is more details, even more metadata. And it is not only for classical music, but contemporary and modern music also, should benefit. What is missing from iTunes and Apple Music now, is separation of the artist: who are the conductor, soloist, ensemble, guests and so on. Genres are also more detailed, Classical is technically not a genre, but a broad term of a wide variety of music, which are typically divided in time periods, "genre" or style, and setting. Then a composer is rarely just one person, if there are lyrics, usually a lyricist is someone else. And yet more we have the cataloging and historical aspect, the Mozart K numbers, Beethovens Opuses and works without, etc. Bach is very famous for his "Toccata and Fugue" but he have several works with same title, so both key and BWV number should be prominent, so you know if it is the famous one in D minor, and if it is 565 or 538. And last when was it recorded, was it remastered, where did it happen.

If you look at dedicated fans of rock bands and even modern pop, they do also care a lot about extra information, many artists social media profiles and webpages are immensely popular, because of the streaming services have taken away some of the aspects of included liner notes, booklets and other information. But they all seem to scramble to put it back into a better experience.

It wouldn't matter if you are a person who only listen to classical music by going to a playlist ala "200 best classical songs to relax to", but then there are also those who are fine with listening to pop via same kind of playlist or "now! that's what I call music"-albums.

Another problem Apple have is that they depend almost fully on the record labels to provide metadata, as I understand Primephonic did a lot of the work themselves. That is a massive undertaking, just looking at the crowdsourced databases like Discogs and Musicbrainz, the metadata is a mess, with large fights how metadata should be organized and thus quality is wildly different, depending on the updaters and maintainers.

and not to mention the international aspect, names, transliteration, translations...
 
I think I got it @Joe Rossignol. I know you're wondering what they're waiting for.

... Apple Music Super Bowl Half Time.

It's the biggest stage in advertising and Apple is hosting it this year.

Timeline: iOS 16.3 launches next week setting up the back end awaiting the flip of the switch. Sunday, February 12, Apple Music Classical launches during the Super Bowl with an ad and possibly an appearance by a classical artist during Rihanna's half time show performance. The show will be one big ad for Apple Music and what best time to introduce a new major feature or app?
 
I don’t really understand the point of a completely separate app just for classical music. Is Apple going to make an Apple Music Hip Hop? Jazz? Movie Soundtracks? Am I eventually going to need six different apps to listen to music, depending on my mood? Why not just improve the current music app?
 
I don’t really understand the point of a completely separate app just for classical music. Is Apple going to make an Apple Music Hip Hop? Jazz? Movie Soundtracks? Am I eventually going to need six different apps to listen to music, depending on my mood? Why not just improve the current music app?
We may have come to a point where it's not feasible to add extra features to the music app without making it more bloated, and it may be better to break out additional features into separate, standalone apps.

I am envisioning a home screen dedicated to music, with separate apps for stations, accessing playlists, tracking new music releases from artistes you follow, and shortcuts for other music-related actions.
 
They’ve been subjecting us to a helluva wait, so it’d better be good. You can see on the Apple Classical search page the influence of the influx of former Primephonic staff. The Alexis ffrench podcast/Apple 1 radio show may also be a sign of what’s to come, maybe a whole new radio station as well. They could also throw in the Carnegie Hall+ channel for good measure as a component part. The possibilities, opportunities and clues are there… already? Hope so.
 
I feel like this is iTunes LP and Ping all over again. I can't name a single person who listens to classical music. I feel like it's just not something a lot of people listen to anymore.

EDIT: Too many people not understanding what I wrote I see.
I would probably try a month if it will all be in one place.
 
The change in message simply feels like "temporary text written by software engineer" being replaced with "official text supplied by marketing department".

I wonder if Apple will really maintain a separate app, or instead fold the improved functionality into the main app. Pros and cons either way. Possibly some of the delay could be attributed to indecisiveness on making this decision. Lots of people, including fans primarily of classical, like to listen to different genres, whether it be jazz, classic rock, heavy metal, or the latest pop. The subset who ONLY ever want to listen to classical is pretty small, I think. I would assume that most if not all the classical would also still be available in the main app (hopefully with most of the search etc. improvements in place), since so many fans of other genres also like to sometimes listen to classical pieces.

Regarding "who even listens to classical", it may be true that the number of hardcore classical music devotees is fairly small, maybe like 3% of total listeners (but on par with, say, fans of jazz or many other niche genres which are not disparaged nearly as much), it seems that a much larger proportion of listeners enjoy classical, and listen to it occasionally or even regularly, particularly as part of playlists (ie, chill or study playlists).
 
I credit Apple with single-handedly destroying classical music metadata across the entire streaming music space, despite their good intentions in hiring musicologists and setting standards.

The one good thing Apple did was to enforce the use of a "composer" contributor role, which they can then display prominently (most, but not all of the time, as does Spotify), as well as standards for properly crediting other contributors (performers). However, even on Apple Music, and on Spotify, there are contexts where the composer does NOT display, so it's not always useful even there.

Where they screwed up, royally, was messing with the existing "track title" and "album title" fields in counterproductive ways. One problem is that even Apple and Spotify don't ALWAYS display the composer name in all contexts, and nearly all the other platforms (except IDAGIO) either only make the composer name available as a drill-down to track details, or don't make it available at all. Thus, the ONLY reliable place to put the composer name (so that it is actually seen by users on every platform in all contexts) is at the start of the track title field, like "Beethoven: Symphony No. 5..." (The album title is not useful for this purpose, since so many classical albums are compilations of works by multiple composers, or increasingly may have a "marketing" name beyond just a list of the pieces included.)

The problem is that Apple's metadata standards (in their style guide) FORBID use of the composer name in the track title - they will reject the entire album if you submit any tracks which include the composer name (or really aggregators and distributors will reject it first to avoid having Apple reject it, which is one reason many aggregators won't submit traditional classical music to Apple in the first place, because Apple's nonsensical standards are such a PITA to deal with).

This leads to endless listings of "guess the composer" classical tracks (including, often, on Apple Music itself), which is totally worthless if you expect classical to be anything other than random background music.

(In a similar problem, since the track title is the only place to put the movement name, if the track title gets too long, the movement information may not display in many contexts, again even on Apple Music itself. But Apple wants all the, often-redundant, metadata, including key and opus number, which lengthens the track title unnecessarily. So now you can have lists of tracks with names like, for instance, "String Quartet No. [blah] in [blah] [major/minor], Op. [blah], but no composer or movement name in sight!)

If you get clever, and want to submit separate releases to Apple (and IDAGIO and Spotify) vs other platforms, you've just doubled your work as a record label, and also might not then be able to use the same ISRC codes for the tracks or UPCs for the albums (now that the metadata technically differs, they're considered "different tracks" and "different albums"), meaning you'll get two separate sets of streaming data for every track and for each album as a whole, which is kind of annoying and may hurt your chances of appearing on sales charts (if they don't properly combine the different data into one).

As for album titles, Apple's standards include something like "if the album consists of a single track, must be identical to the track title." (Their other standards for classical album titles aren't any more useful or less inane.)

Of course what Apple should have done from the beginning was to enforce the submission of proper "work name" and (where appropriate) "movement name" fields (in addition to the "composer" role), all of which could reference standard lists of known composers and works (and the works' constituent movements).

Then their standards for the track title might only say something like "a clear, concise, and unambiguous summary of composer, work name, and movement name, preferably no more than so-and-so characters in length, formatted generally like so" (ie, " Composer [last name only unless initials are needed to avoid ambiguity]: Work name [flexibly named in your language of choice, so long as it is concise and unambiguously identifies the particular work]: Movement number/name"), and enforced no standards on album titles at all. Then in their app, they could choose to display the composer name, work name, and movement name IN PLACE OF the track title in certain contexts (such as while playing the track), if they so wish, and leave the track title as a useful summary for display in lists (which often display no other metadata, and may have a limited number of characters displayed), or for useful display on other platforms which don't support the composer, work name, or movement name fields in the first place.

Apple seems to have let musicologists (with experience only of academic use of the relevant information) make their decisions regarding classical tracks, without any reference to how the metadata would actually display in different contexts ON THEIR OWN PLATFORM (sometimes the composer doesn't display even on Apple Music), let alone how the same metadata would be used on every other platform the same tracks were submitted to. Since nobody wants to submit multiple releases for different platforms, we have had a decade or so of composerless classical works submitted to streaming platforms around the world, thanks to Apple.
 
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