With the this week's beta, Stage Manager stability is greatly improved. It's now usable on an external monitor. I also think it's very promising. I can easily see myself working with this setup very productively, when doing office-y tasks, instead of hauling around a work provided pc laptop. All MS apps (Office, Outlook, Teams, OneDrive) work now with Stage Manager as well.
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iOS 16 iPad - Stage Manager
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Apple’s making it more complicated than it all needs to be. Look it’s not user intuitive. It’s not well designed. Just like the iPhone with iOS is really a mess. Hand someone who’s never had an iPhone and try to let them figure it out. Impossible. The original iPhones anyone could use. So over time people can learn more. But when they keep making horrible attempts, blaming SoCs for not doing something when they could just leave out the second display and it would work fine. I hope someone hacks it and shows Apple is playing their terrible game of screw everyone over.
I don’t think iPad Pro and MacBook Air need to overlap. Someone can own a desktop Mac or MacBook Pro 16” or even 14” but still want an iPad that’s capable of multitasking.
I really think people are forgetting that we’re overpaying ridiculously for spec advertised machines. Apple has never done this. So why now? They do it now when there’s no software to use an M1 or M2 let alone 16GB of RAM.
It’s all a show and we have all been taken for a ride. Look, I love the Apple ecosystem, but I also know when I have been screwed over one too many times… repeatedly. It’s sickening. I long for the day Tim Cook is gone. Apple isn’t about making a great iPad Pro they’re about raking in the dollars from it and giving it to shareholders without letting users get maybe 10% of the benefits. Tops 20% of the benefits or capabilities of that SoC and RAM. That’s why a solution that doesn’t have to allow all MacOS but at least the multitasking features to come on over. It could be solved so easily but Apple doesn’t want that. Just like their game to force upgrades. Whether it’s AirPods Pro for $279 with batteries that don’t last three years with normal use or an iPad Pro that has an M1 SoC but no software to run on it. They can easily allow MacOS apps to run on it. People would be happy to forgive the lack of useful multitasking that makes sense if you gave them full professional apps on the iPad Pro. There has to be a value proposition that makes sense.
I truly don’t think Tim Cool is doing the best for the long-term of Apple. Love the sticky ecosystem, but Nothing can build a really nice iPhone 11/12 equivalent for $400. At some point, Apple is just going down. And it’s going to start with their greed on the App Store and at some point regulators will say Apple acted like a monopoly and allow everybody to use the devices they bought how they want. And when that day comes, that extra 15% Apple made on the App Store or the royal screwover on the iPad Pro and the list goes on, and Apple no longer controls their own ecosystem. All due to excessive greed. You know when Warren Buffett is investing in Apple, he sees the “value” Tim Cook extracts at the costs of goodwill to ensure acting in bad faith wasn’t the way to go. And that’s exactly what Apple is doing.
And I love Apple and AAPL, but excessive greed is just not necessary and it’s what will bring Apple down.
I have an iPad Pro 11 M1 with iPadOS 16. Is it still possible to mirror/dual screen an App, when I connect the iPad with a Lightning/HDMI dongle to a television?
I am a teacher and i really need my Apps in Dual Screen, though I do not have to turn to the board, so that I can observe the class.
When I use word I can either see the app on my iPad Screen or the external Display.
I am a teacher and i really need my Apps in Dual Screen, though I do not have to turn to the board, so that I can observe the class.
When I use word I can either see the app on my iPad Screen or the external Display.
Yes, as long as you don’t connect a keyboard/mouse to the iPad Pro… you’ll be able to mirror the iPad display.
Not entirely sure what you mean? But Stage Manager feature only occurs when a keyboard/mouse is plugged into the iPad.
Why this decision? Of course I have an SmartKeyboard that I use with mit 11 Pro.
To clarify it, when I use Microsoft Word in combination with Stage Manager I can only use Word either on the external Display or on the iPad screen.
This whole Stage manager is way to complicated.
Because Stage Manager on an external monitor needs a mouse/keyboard to interact with it.
Just undock your Smart Keyboard and you’ll be able to mirror it. My suggestion is to use a Smart Folio instead.
I don’t believe it’s complicated… it’s quite simple. If you want to use Stage Manager on an external monitor… you are required to have a mouse/keyboard. But if you prefer to just mirror the iPad to the monitor… that still exist don’t connect a mouse/keyboard.
And I am forced to type long texts and solutions to excercises, that my students are working on, on the iPad Display like in 2010??
What is the problem to offer a mirror mode?
Unless Apple make some changes to the current implementation… that’s what you are forced to do now. Critics have been asking for external display support and this is Apple response to that.
We are in a “beta”... things are subject to change. But they offer mirror mode… but unfortunately you cannot dock the Smart Keyboard in order to do so.
I don’t have the beta, but can’t you just leave Stage Manager turned off, even with the Magic keyboard attached, and mirror to an external display?
Nope. As of now, currently…. There’s no option to turn off Stage Manager on an external display when the Magic Keyboard is attached to it.
I do think Apple might change it to where it’s possible to just mirror the iPad for those like @Cattiy19 who wants to use their Smart Keyboard for teaching purposes.
You can mirror the display even with keyboard/mouse connected. See screenshot.
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Situation update (in case anyone is interested):
I‘m finding myself turning Stage Manager off more and more when I need to get actual work done.
At this point (still beta, ofc), it‘s just a mess to use when you *really* need to get things done that need a couple of apps, drag and drop, maybe a mail message, some pdfs to fill out while looking for reference in other apps.
The «old» way is very predictable in comparison (and superstable ofc). Off work, when I don’t need as many things open at the same time, I‘m happier with it though.
The biggest feature of Stage Manager to me is that 4 apps can run and stay alive in the background, at the same time. The rest is clunky and not very usable...
Actually I’ve just tried using it after a month or so with SM off, and especially with an external monitor, it’s working a lot better than before. Multi window apps are also handled much better. I still prefer a regular Mac with regular windows and multitasking, but this is an improvement, for the iPad…
I’m loving Stage Manager on my 12.9”. For how I use my iPad it’s working perfectly for me. My normal usage is browsing various sites while sometimes watching TV with PiP. I used to use Split View which was OK but with SM I can have the current apps open and easily switch apps with the 🌐+` combo. Most of the time I’ll have Messages in the bottom right. I also like the keyboard shortcuts for switching Window Sets And PiP will follow the switch.
Does it make it macOS, of course not. But for me it expands the usability of the iPad.
Does it make it macOS, of course not. But for me it expands the usability of the iPad.
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I am probably in the minority but to me it seems like Apple is shooting itself more and more in the foot by trying to squeeze new things into pre-existing work flows and previous features that just don’t work well together with their new ways of doing stuff. I personally think they need to rewrite parts of iOS / iPadOS from scratch.
I would prefer „tablet mode“ multitasking, sort of what we had before and what still exists but I think not while stage manager is enabled? And an optimized „state manager“ that is automatically enabled when you attach a keyboard / mouse or external display. I’d like to just attach my keyboard, tap an app icon and it automatically opens in a window (default size) and when you tap a corner of the window, it minimizes to the dock, just like on a Mac. There is too much swiping and gestures to remember going on. Also, why can’t we just swipe a window to a display space. Would be cool to run windows of the iPad and your Mac side by side on one display space
I would prefer „tablet mode“ multitasking, sort of what we had before and what still exists but I think not while stage manager is enabled? And an optimized „state manager“ that is automatically enabled when you attach a keyboard / mouse or external display. I’d like to just attach my keyboard, tap an app icon and it automatically opens in a window (default size) and when you tap a corner of the window, it minimizes to the dock, just like on a Mac. There is too much swiping and gestures to remember going on. Also, why can’t we just swipe a window to a display space. Would be cool to run windows of the iPad and your Mac side by side on one display space
I personally think Apple has done as much as they can with SplitView and SlideOver whereas Stage Manager allows for them to push the iPad to new levels. And it’s meant to give a user a choice for a new workflow… I don’t see how that’s problem?
SplitView and SlideOver still exist… if you don’t care to use Stage Manager, you don’t have to enable it.
And who’s to say we won’t get to that point? As of now… this is Stage Manager 1.0, history tells us Apple will improve on this.
I agree with all this.
The fact that Apple are unhappy enough with it to actually delay the rollout of iPadOS16 until 16.1 is ready speaks volumes.
Having followed the public betas, its improved a fair bit of course but there is still something I cant really put my finger on that doesnt feel right.
I think its to do with apps run in stage manager but as soon as you swipe up you end up back in the old app view or multitasking view.. its the transition between the two that feels like you are using 2 entirely different devices and chop and change between them at a moments notice. Its a very jarring experience.
I think a more hybrid approach is necessary - for example when you minimise an app - and minimise is a concept that is new to iPadOS even though technically all apps are minimised when not being used.... it just needs to be clear whats going on and where because at the moment it feels a bit messy.
Im interested to give it a go on Ventura when thats released... though traditionally MacOS seems to wait a few weeks longer then iOS for its release... but I really fail to see what stage manger adds to the MacOS experience.
How do you use it? I just can't figure out what to do with it to make it useful.
Same. Not only windows are smaller, but I found it harder to manage it compared to Split View or the other name I forgot when you just have to swipe left or right to view your other apps.
Yeah, the side by side split view just seems better. Is stage manager primarily useful when using a second monitor?