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23rd Oct seems to be legit then.
Beta 4 early next week, probably followed by the RC later the week or directly the RC next week.
Hope this will sort all the issues especially with the 15 models that some users are facing.
 
First off, “hairs fall off” is completely the wrong sort of radiation. That’s ionizing radiation and not the sort of radio waves cell phones use. That’s like x-rays and gamma rays, and acute lethal doses at that. From non-ionizing radiation, there’s no strong evidence that it causes cancers or anything of the sort, and the most significant potential for injuries tends to be thermal effects. There’s some inconclusive evidence that talking on the phone could potentially cause brain cancer, but it’s not a strong link.

Second, it looks like Apple has a safety feature on phones (not to mention a battery saving feature) designed to reduce the power the cellular radio puts out when it’s near your body. Rather than test it to see if it does result in less overall exposure, it sounds like France decided Apple had to cut the power levels across the board.

Of course, by that logic, the French government should be putting more effort to end the cultural acceptance of tobacco smoking. After all, the tobacco-cancer link is much stronger than the non-ionizing radiation-cancer link, and it’s lung cancer at that. (Lung cancer metastasizes fairly quickly, since it’s part of the circulatory and pulmonary systems.)
Well a microwave gives off non-ionizing radiation and I'm not sure I'd feel safe sticking my head in a microwave.

So no one really knows what the line is for safety. It is definitely not ionizing vs non-ionizing.
 
Well a microwave gives off non-ionizing radiation and I'm not sure I'd feel safe sticking my head in a microwave.

So no one really knows what the line is for safety. It is definitely not ionizing vs non-ionizing.
Well, microwave ovens exploit just the sorts of thermal effects I was talking about. There are, for instance, some frequencies that are apparently the resonance frequencies of your eyes, so looking down a horn antenna at one of those frequencies can apparently quite literally cook your eyes. Generally, though, that’s a combination of power level and specific frequency, and you probably won’t encounter them outside of an industrial context.
 
A feature that controls radiation level based on body proximity would seem to exemplify a company that DOES take user's health seriously. Why would you conclude the opposite? A company that just didn't care wouldn't bother implementing such a complex feature.

Yeah I can't believe how many people seem to be (willfully?) misunderstanding the issue here. If anything, blame France for not testing properly. The information given by both sides is straightforward and non-conflicting. Apple cares about user health, France cares about user health. A bureaucratic process just missed a detail here and caused problems for everyone.

No one is going to get any lower radiation levels as this doesn't actually affect the amount of radiation anyone was receiving, since it wasn't transmitting at this power level near humans in the first place. Now it just won't transmit at that power level at all, ever. That transmission level is something France agreed to in the first place, this is simply an error in the testing process.
 
Well a microwave gives off non-ionizing radiation and I'm not sure I'd feel safe sticking my head in a microwave.

So no one really knows what the line is for safety. It is definitely not ionizing vs non-ionizing.

At literally one thousand watts, no, you shouldn't feel safe doing that. At one millionth that power level, you do it every day already just by being around wifi.

Turn on and FM radio and think for a bit about all the radio frequencies with data and therefore energy on them passing through your skull right now. And there are warning signs at the base of those radio towers telling you not to get any closer and not to hang around there for too long.

I'm not a scientist, I'm not saying it's safe, I'm just saying that ship sailed like a hundred years ago.
 
Actually the real news about what's in 17.1 is crammed in the very last paragraph - the radiation fix is a legal compliance thing that only concerns France and is of little interest to most people.

And yet it drives the most engagement because "of little interest to most people" is what conspiracy theorists thrive on.

Just look at this thread already. It's a wonder half these people can make it through a day. If people spent some of the energy they put into worrying to actually educate themselves I have to believe their lives would be far less stressful.
 
Can’t wait for the 17.1 update. iOS 17 is such a delight in comparison to previous versions. Let’s go!
While I dont have any issues with my 15 Pro, have it since release, I have the feeling that most often the iOS x.1 release unlocks the full potential of the new devices.
Had the same feeling with the Xs and the 13 Pro before. With the 13 Pro it took months until iOS 15.4 until the 120 hz display worked without issues for nearly all apps.
 
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Hope they fix the Bluetooth problems.
My Earbuds Pro disconnect randomly and every time I get into my car if I'm using them the car takes over.
Used to be if you were using them and stepped into your car that the bluetooth in the car didn't take over the phone call.
That's working as intended, at least the car part. You shouldn't be using earbuds when driving anyways, and if you're not driving let the driver connect to the car radio instead.
 
This whole debacle just reminds me that you cannot trust these companies with your health. Remember that. They have one objective: profit for shareholders. It's business 101.
C'mon did you even read the facts behind this? When the phone is brought up to your ear the levels are reduced and fully within any regulatory guidelines. When placed down away from your body, the levels are increased. The French measured it in the wrong mode.

In any event, no-one has shown any side-effects from EM at any level used by cell phones, but the tin-foil hat brigade won't buy that.
 

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Hopefully, there will be one last beta drop to work out the final bugs before release. And they may need to address the occasional WiFi connectivity issues and the iPhone suddenly shutting down while overnight charging issue in the final beta, too.
A few more bug fixing like:

- Widget not updating;
- Find my app reported an item status of hrs ago to override the current status which was just shown briefly;
- Contact photo updates not sync with google contact.
 
I understand this new version will locate your iPhone and reduce the power only if the iPhone detects your in France. As soon as you travel to another country it will set the power back to its usual higher value, right?
 
Device should not be emitting radiation above the specified limit. In this case, expecting a loss in signal strength for all iPhone 12 models after this update.
 
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Can we please prioritize 17.1 being somewhat stable? Out of the 8 different iPhones that I’ve owned, along with the many software versions running on each of the phones, at least for me, 17.0.3 has been the worst software version by far. Phone does some weird stuff on this version…
 
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That's interesting. What is the name of France most popular medication?


Oscillococcinum is a homeopathic preparation marketed to relieve flu-like symptoms, although it does not provide any benefit beyond that of a placebo.

Oscillococcinum is promoted according to the disproven homeopathic principle that "like cures like", and that a disease can be cured by small amounts of the substance that cause similar symptoms. Boiron is its sole manufacturer. Oscillococcinum is used in more than 50 countries, being particularly popular in France, and has been in production for over 65 years.
 
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More like government BS being the problem.
France was probably hoping for money from Apple. Why alter the way the test was completed?

What I've seen of France on the news suggests that the government cares about the government being powerful, not about the citizens.
 
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