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A new kind of home movie capture where, years from now, you can feel you’ve traveled back to the time it is shot… as if you are there again. Imagine capturing an important moment in 2023/24 and coming back to it in 2034 or 2044. I hope the illusion is amazing.

And I’m hoping for full 360-degree capture in some kind of upcoming camera product (phone could not do this) so that virtual re-visits from the future would allow one to look all around and up and down too… an impressive visual variant of the surround or ATMOS sound concept.

Instead of having to always get off to an outside position to get everyone into a shot, you can be right in the middle of it all and still film everyone. Then, when watching later, looking around lets you see those who were not out in front (& center) from your position… by simply turning your head to look left, right or behind.

I know this kind of camera product ALREADY exists- for many years now- so this is simply hoping for a variant to take full advantage of Vpro features like higher resolution and spatial audio.
Important to keep in mind that with 360 cameras, the camera will have to be completely still in the middle of the action in order for the 360 "experience" to really matter. If the camera is moving around, then moving around while watching the footage must feel totally crazy. If someone's holding the camera in front of them, if you turn around while viewing you will be face to face with them. If someone is holding the camera above their head, you will feel really tall.
 
I'm so disappointed that it's capped at 1080p. 1080p is gross and pathetic in 2023 going into 2024. I'm so glad I stuck to my 13 Pro Max and didn't upgrade this year. That, combined with the fact that Apple is apparently going to software lock some iOS 18 features concerning generative AI to the iPhone 16s has completely destroyed my interest in upgrading. If you're on an older phone, I can confidently say, DO NOT BUY THE 15 now
whatever... miss five years of 3D memories until you can enjoy your desired 8K 3D Ultra Video comes out :D
 
Important to keep in mind that with 360 cameras, the camera will have to be completely still in the middle of the action in order for the 360 "experience" to really matter. If the camera is moving around, then moving around while watching the footage must feel totally crazy. If someone's holding the camera in front of them, if you turn around while viewing you will be face to face with them. If someone is holding the camera above their head, you will feel really tall.

Example...


As the video plays, click and hold on the video and drag left, right, up or down to look in other directions, beyond the frame of the rectangle visible now. Yes, camera is moving as cameraman rides each coaster but that is what re-living the effect of riding a roller coaster in person should feel like. As viewer, you are in virtual motion just like the original camera person.

Here's one with people on board- both in front of and behind the rider. Imagine your family all on this ride together- some in front and some behind...


Here's another example...


Imagine the family on bicycles riding through some location. Capture in 360 degrees and later you can see family out in front, to the side and/or behind you by looking in those directions... along with also being able to take fresh looks at the scenery too (some of which you may have missed on the actual ride because you were focused on the road in front of you).

Imagine family reunions where family is ALL around you and this gives you the ability to "see" them even when your own eyes are looking in only one direction. Later, when you watch it again, rotate your head around to see Uncle Bob roughly over your left shoulder. Rotate the other way to see your cousins, nephews & nieces shooting hoops over your right shoulder. Etc. Again, camera-person may have been in the middle of it all, but later can see what their own eyes missed because they could only see roughly as much as 160 degrees or so out in front of themselves.
 
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Man only 1080p 30fps? I guess the ultra-wide needs a resolution boost for the 24mm frame to have enough pixels for 4K. Hopefully it gets the bump to 48mpx next year and we can get at least 4K 30fps :)
It's disappointing. At parties or for special moments you now have the dilemma of either shooting in:
-Spatial(1080p at 30Fps)/defaulting to 1080p on any monitor
-4k 60fps. Looks glorious on any display.

The ideal solution? Shoot with two phones. One in spatial and the other one in 4k60?

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It's disappointing. At parties or for special moments you now have the dilemma of either shooting in:
-Spatial(1080p at 30Fps)/defaulting to 1080p on any monitor
-4k 60fps. Looks glorious on any display.

The ideal solution? Shoot with two phones. One in spatial and the other one in 4k60?

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Yeah agree - I wonder if the phone is actually capturing 4K from both lenses and then stitching together to make the 1080p spatial video. If so it'd be a nice option to let you keep the 4K file for viewing in 2D (whether at 30 or 60) - don't see why this isn't possible if the stitching is done post-recording, but maybe I'm being too optimistic...
 
The idea of everyday people being able to capture spacial video with their iPhones and hopefully be able to watch them as intended is very intriguing to me.

I experimented with shooting 3D 360 video back in 2015 and 2016. It took 14 GoPro Hero Blacks just to capture everything and then used a special application to stitch it all together at a max 12K resolution, if I remember correctly.

At the time, it took 3 weeks just to render out all the 3D 360 footage we captured of a wedding.

The couple we did the wedding shoot for absolutely loved it! I remember the bride making a comment about how she was able to look around and had no idea her uncle was in tears as they said their vows. Having it in 3D and 360 made it feel like she was attending her own wedding as a guest like it was happing right then and there in front of her eyes.

We also planned to offer the service for other events too. But the biggest fear for us was worrying about even just one of the cameras overheating and shutting off. Because of that, the costs, time and effort required to complete it, it just wasn't a feasible option to offer clients at the time.

I've thought about revisiting it with just a 3D 180 capture and output but there is still the issue of just how many people have a VR/ARV headset or are willing to purchase one for such a niche thing right now.

Hopefully this leads to the adoption of spacial video and more AR/VR headsets in the future.
 
I'm so disappointed that it's capped at 1080p. 1080p is gross and pathetic in 2023 going into 2024. I'm so glad I stuck to my 13 Pro Max and didn't upgrade this year. That, combined with the fact that Apple is apparently going to software lock some iOS 18 features concerning generative AI to the iPhone 16s has completely destroyed my interest in upgrading. If you're on an older phone, I can confidently say, DO NOT BUY THE 15 now
I think the cap is due to how close the cameras are together. Moving them farther apart (ie traffic light pattern) would enable higher resolution recording.
 
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It’s probably doing 1080p as it’s likely cropping the frames to get an artificial boost in ipd. The cameras are pretty close. My theory is that next iPhone has traffic light pattern and spatial is done with 1st and 3rd cameras.

Do we really think Apple is going to keep this feature in production for four months? I think this is a clue towards and earlier release. 17.3 would make more sense if device was coming in April.
There is no way that cropping images can "artificially boost IPD". The reason for the 1080p resolution is that that are cropping the the ultra wide 12mp image to a quarter of the size to match the standard wide, so they only have 3mp to work with.

Also, for all the people clamoring for 60fps, the better options would be 45,48,90, or 96 fps.
 
If so it'd be a nice option to let you keep the 4K file for viewing in 2D (whether at 30 or 60) - don't see why this isn't possible if the stitching is done post-recording, but maybe I'm being too optimistic...
This is what I was expecting. If it's not possible, it's because the iPhone doesn't have sufficient processing power but will in 1 or 2 year. This is how Apple will encourage people to upgrade e.g capture memories in the most immersive and personal format. :cool::p

I would love to see demos of spatial video captured on the iPhone to learn whether it's worthwhile. I don't plan on buying the Vision Pro but could consider a cheaper option in 2-3 years. In the meantime I will likely capture a few spatial videos with my 15pro.
 
This is what I was expecting. If it's not possible, it's because the iPhone doesn't have sufficient processing power but will in 1 or 2 year. This is how Apple will encourage people to upgrade e.g capture memories in the most immersive and personal format. :cool::p

I would love to see demos of spatial video captured on the iPhone to learn whether it's worthwhile. I don't plan on buying the Vision Pro but could consider a cheaper option in 2-3 years. In the meantime I will likely capture a few spatial videos with my 15pro.
Yeahhh I'm not sure on the processing power point (although I agree thats the excuse they'll use!) - feel like there are camera apps that have been able to shoot with 2 or 3 lenses simultaneously for a few years now, so I'd be amazed if it couldn't record the video itself - the limitation on processing might be whether it can stitch them together "live" and also continue saving the regular files, but I don't see why they couldn't just stitch it together after the fact (even if it doesn't seem very "apple" to do this).

Hopefully we get what we want :)
 
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As people have already said on here, imagine watching video of lost loved ones.

THIS!!! Times about 5,000.

I have home movies shot as far back as the 1950s or so... rendered as good as we could render from the originals. ALL of the adults in those videos are no longer with us. Some of them I personally never got to meet in person, but without a few of them, I wouldn't even exist. I would pay a LOT to be able to somehow reshoot the same stuff in the highest resolution possible and also capture sound, so I could hear what their voices sounded like too. In some, it appears there is lively conversations going on... and LAUGHTER... but that re-visit is relatively poor visually... and as if we are deaf time travelers.

Home video is a funny thing. Minutes after it is captured- unless something very special happens- it might be viewed as near worthless. But let time pass. The more time that passes, the more you value having such things captured. I consider videos of family I never met, barely remember, somewhat remember or even soundly remember- but sadly, no longer with us- as some of the most valuable assets in my household. I would rather lose the house then lose the home video collection... because only one of those can be re-constituted.

There's no going back to get a second chance at accumulating such assets.
 
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There is no way that cropping images can "artificially boost IPD". The reason for the 1080p resolution is that that are cropping the the ultra wide 12mp image to a quarter of the size to match the standard wide, so they only have 3mp to work with.

Also, for all the people clamoring for 60fps, the better options would be 45,48,90, or 96 fps.

My thinking was using left and right parts of each sensors to increase space between frames. Your explanation makes sense, though.

Regarding framerate, do you think they stuck with 30 because 60 wouldn’t look good on VP’s 90?
 
THIS!!! Times about 5,000.

I have home movies shot as far back as the 1950s or so... rendered as good as we could render from the originals. ALL of the adults in those videos are no longer with us. Some of them I personally never got to meet in person, but without a few of them, I wouldn't even exist. I would pay a LOT to be able to somehow reshoot the same stuff in the highest resolution possible and also capture sound, so I could hear what their voices sounded like too.

Home video is a funny thing. Minutes after it is captured- unless something very special happens- it might be viewed as near worthless. But let time pass. The more time that passes, the more you value having such things captured. I consider videos of family I never met, barely remember, somewhat remember or even soundly remember- but sadly, no longer with us- as some of the most valuable assets in my household.

There's no going back to get a second chance at accumulating such assets.

I agree on the need. I have about 200GB of this stuff for my family.

Have you tried to manage a large number of historical, personal image and video files in the Apple ecosystem. Especially those that have been scanned or older than a few years? It's a total nightmare working with folders, iphones, macs and the cloud.

As you get to larger libraries, what syncs, what doesn't, and then how the file quality is changed seems completely beyond the users control. This is way simpler in Windows.
 
The idea of everyday people being able to capture spacial video with their iPhones and hopefully be able to watch them as intended is very intriguing to me.

I experimented with shooting 3D 360 video back in 2015 and 2016. It took 14 GoPro Hero Blacks just to capture everything and then used a special application to stitch it all together at a max 12K resolution, if I remember correctly.

At the time, it took 3 weeks just to render out all the 3D 360 footage we captured of a wedding.

The couple we did the wedding shoot for absolutely loved it! I remember the bride making a comment about how she was able to look around and had no idea her uncle was in tears as they said their vows. Having it in 3D and 360 made it feel like she was attending her own wedding as a guest like it was happing right then and there in front of her eyes.

That's a spectacular, REAL example of what this kind of thing can become for people vs. ways video has been generally captured until about now (2D, like looking through a rectangular window). Shot that latter way, would the bride have ever been able to see the Uncle's tears? No... unless someone with a 2D camera panned around to focus the frame on the Uncle instead of the bride & groom. But this kind of technology made it possible to "see all."

Your post makes me wish I could have shot a lot of my own home movies in that way. So many of the home movies involve only voices of family around the camera but not in the frame saying or even doing something memorable/funny/etc. It would be nice to look over at them to see that than only be able to remember it with the iffy, bio-cam inside the camera-persons gray matter.
 
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I agree on the need. I have about 200GB of this stuff for my family.

Have you tried to manage a large number of historical, personal image and video files in the Apple ecosystem. Especially those that have been scanned or older than a few years? It's a total nightmare working with folders, iphones, macs and the cloud.

As you get to larger libraries, what syncs, what doesn't, and then how the file quality is changed seems completely beyond the users control. This is way simpler in Windows.

Let me be a little help (if perhaps you don't know some of this already):
  • Edit and render it all for Apple tech playback... but KEEP your masters too for future, better codecs. Big HDDs are dirt cheap, so storing masters should be no great burden... ideally at least TWO copies so one can be OFFSITE to protect against fire/flood/theft scenarios.
  • Consider tagging home movies as TV shows instead of home movies, so they can sort by "season" (year) and will present that way through AppleTV too. My own "show" tag is "Home Movies" and several decades of "seasons" sorts hundreds of home movies under that one "show." Going this way, if you want to watch Christmas 2013, you don't have to try to deduce which of the many videos that might all be called Christmas is that one. The one you seek is in the 2013 "season."
  • Use Episode ID tags to even put home movies within a season into date order... thus JAN home videos will appear in a list before FEB videos... which will appears before MAR video, etc. My episode IDs are simply the day/date like 1109 for one today and 1119 for one shot 10 days from now. Episode Number tag is key to sequential ordering but episode ID helps remember exactly WHEN this video was shot.
I wish the "home videos" tag worked as well at allowing such groupings. But until then, using the TV Show tag provides a great way to organize the ever-growing collection so that anything is easily found... FAST!

For Photos, you can do some of the same stuff with Albums... and make efforts to assign "dates" to old scanned photos with perhaps some "best guess" help from relatives who were THERE at the time. If you can get rough dates assigned to photos shot before date, time & location data was auto-tagged, your photos library can sort into date order.

And photo albums- like videos tagged as TV Shows- can organize events or collections by events and/or by year. This can make it much easier to find the ones you want to review vs. the endless scroll & hunt approaches when it's just one gigantic library of photos.

Yes, it's some work to curate and tag it all, but get it done and it's all very nicely presented for the rest of your life.

As to presentation, I suggest using AppleTVs and the Computers app (instead of the AppleTV app, library), which does an outstanding job of presenting all of one's owned media, minus all the relentless pitches to buy or rent other content. If it's all tagged, it's easy to find what you want to see, watch, hear, etc. Computers is the second-most used app in the household. AppleTV+ app almost never even gets run.
 
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1080p in a VR environment where you will want to view it at an effective 50-60" is going to look pretty awful. Early days still.
 
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THIS!!! Times about 5,000.

I have home movies shot as far back as the 1950s or so... rendered as good as we could render from the originals. ALL of the adults in those videos are no longer with us. Some of them I personally never got to meet in person, but without a few of them, I wouldn't even exist. I would pay a LOT to be able to somehow reshoot the same stuff in the highest resolution possible and also capture sound, so I could hear what their voices sounded like too. In some, it appears there is lively conversations going on... and LAUGHTER... but that re-visit is relatively poor visually... and as if we are deaf time travelers.

Home video is a funny thing. Minutes after it is captured- unless something very special happens- it might be viewed as near worthless. But let time pass. The more time that passes, the more you value having such things captured. I consider videos of family I never met, barely remember, somewhat remember or even soundly remember- but sadly, no longer with us- as some of the most valuable assets in my household. I would rather lose the house then lose the home video collection... because only one of those can be re-constituted.

There's no going back to get a second chance at accumulating such assets.
Great points. I have videos of thr inlaws from 30's, 40's. They were on film, now on my computer. I am glad we have them
 
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