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Agreed

Though it's a feature I don't find myself using, I find it to be kind of ridiculous how they somehow thought it was a good idea to remove the feature, only to do a 180 and just add it back again

Why even both removing it in the 1st place then?

And they didn’t really add it back. They just gave you access to the lists you already made, and not even on the Apple TV itself. It’s a straight up slap in the face. Because they no longer want you to buy media.
 
Android doesn't have this vulnerability to begin with, never has, it's device passcode only unlocks the device and nothing else.....which is how it should work.
What happens if someone visually observes you entering in your passcode, and remembers what they saw?
 
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For certain changes to your sensible data an information Apple should introduce a proper 2FA, period. A second factor could be an email, a security key or even your smartwatch.
I'm assuming you mean for general phone access, right? Can you describe the 2FA flow? When would the second factor be required? Every time you unlock your phone?

BTW, for AppleID account authentication, they do support hardware security keys now.
 
I'm not sure how likely it is that someone will offer to take a picture of you/will take your iPad to enter some details of theirs into it and will deliberately lock the device so someone else behind you can film you entering your passcode details.
More likely than you think. It's how thieves are doing it now, specifically BECAUSE of the security measures. Watch this video...

 
Hey Apple, please add an ALWAYS STAY ON with passcode feature.

This will prevent THIEVES from turning OFF the Iphone and preventing the owner from finding it using find my iphone. Such a simple little thing you guys can add but fail to do.

- I got my iphone stolen at a music festival , 7 days later it was in China.
Since the iPhone 11 / iOS 15 devices are already participating in the Find My network for 24 hours while they are turned off. Disabling that requires a passcode.

 
Drive to your house just to get your iPhone? You gotta have a super motivated thief. If someone’s iPhone is so valuable, they should take a better care of it. Apple’s new feature will help if somebody saw you entering your passcode and then snatched your iPhone.
That's not what the original commenter (to whom you are responding) is saying. They're referring to AFTER the thief obtains your phone (and passcode). They THEN drive to your home and camp out nearby in order to access it because the safeguards enabled in Stolen Device Protection would be automatically lowered.
 
More likely than you think. It's how thieves are doing it now, specifically BECAUSE of the security measures. Watch this video...

Out of 1B iPhone users it’s not very likely. However it is happening. If a determined thief wants your phone unlocked and is willing to serve up assault, nothing will keep a thief out.

These measures protect the casual drive bys.
 
What happens if someone visually observes you entering in your passcode, and remembers what they saw?
Not sure I follow, if you mean what happens to password protected items such as your synced google account, saved passwords, notes, etc - nothing happens.

You can't use an android passcode to screw with find my, your google account, saved payments, passwords, etc.
 
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That's not what the original commenter (to whom you are responding) is saying. They're referring to AFTER the thief obtains your phone (and passcode). They THEN drive to your home and camp out nearby in order to access it because the safeguards enabled in Stolen Device Protection would be automatically lowered.

I see. While this is hypothetically possible, it is quite unlikely, as the thief would have to hang out nearby the victim’s place. Way too risky for an iPhone, IMO.
 
This stolen device protection functionality is long overdue but it's ridiculous that they are limiting it to iOS 17(.3). Plenty of people use older devices but I guess it doesn't matter if their Apple IDs are stolen.
iPhone OS 5 would have been a good time to add stolen device protection.
 
Regarding stolen device protection, and assuming you have significant locations turned on, couldn’t the thief just drive to your house (address probably is in your contact info), park at the street, and then use the passcode with no delay? Or am I missing something?
Exactly. I'm guessing biometric authentication is not required to open your Contacts app and subsequently view your personal contact card, which could have your physical address.
 
Out of 1B iPhone users it’s not very likely. However it is happening. If a determined thief wants your phone unlocked and is willing to serve up assault, nothing will keep a thief out.

These measures protect the casual drive bys.
did you watch the video? no assault was threatened during the acquisition of those phones. social engineering game.
 
Not sure I follow, if you mean what happens to password protected items such as your synced google account, saved passwords, notes, etc - nothing happens.

You can't use an android passcode to screw with find my, your google account, saved payments, passwords, etc.
Find My is an iPhone feature. You're speaking of the benefits of an Android device. I'm asking what happens if someone steals your Android phone, and has your passcode? I'm asking because I don't know.
 
did you watch the video? no assault was threatened during the acquisition of those phones. social engineering game.
I understand exactly what the given unfortunate scenario is. The passcode to the phone was given up either by sight of a third party or video by a third party.

My point is when you say likely, this happened to “x” people it of an”y” population. And while some say one is too much, I was pointing out if someone wanted in to your phone they badly, there are ways to do that outside of social engineering.
 
I see. While this is hypothetically possible, it is quite unlikely, as the thief would have to hang out nearby the victim’s place. Way too risky for an iPhone, IMO.
"Quite unlikely" was the thinking around someone hanging out to observe you entering your passcode before taking your phone.
 
This stolen device protection functionality is long overdue but it's ridiculous that they are limiting it to iOS 17(.3). Plenty of people use older devices but I guess it doesn't matter if their Apple IDs are stolen.
It was reported that all iPhone models going back to iPhone XS should be able to use this feature as long as it is using iOS 17.
 
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Find My is an iPhone feature. You're speaking of the benefits of an Android device. I'm asking what happens if someone steals your Android phone, and has your passcode? I'm asking because I don't know.
No, I'm speaking of the benefits of android which has similar nomenclature...on android technically it's called find "my device" but it's the same thing.

Do I need to repeat the part of my comment that you quoted which answers your own question? Android's passcode does not have the same vulnerability that iPhone's does. The device passcode does not provide access to any linked account i.e. google/samsung, etc where your passwords, find my device, etc.
 
This stolen device protection functionality is long overdue but it's ridiculous that they are limiting it to iOS 17(.3). Plenty of people use older devices but I guess it doesn't matter if their Apple IDs are stolen.
iOS 17 works on all phones going back to the X, which is like 6 years ago? If your phone is that old, not a high likelihood it's getting stolen or that the thief will keep it.
 
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So, I’m updated to iOS 17.3.
Where is that magic stolen device protection? I can’t find it anywhere on my iPad.
iPad is not worth to have that kind of protection?

No, you did not update to IOS 17.3 on an iPad. You updated to iPadOS 17.3

Stupidly, or for reasons known only to Apple, they did not implement the stolen device feature in iPadOS 17.3. All of the risks are the same. Another totally lame move by Apple in their continuing quality decline…
 
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Not sure about all androids but Samsung provides 3-4 years worth (4 for flagship devices i.e. S24) and Pixel is now a market leader at 7 years though let's see if Google sticks with it.
Well apple recently (within a year) provided security updates to my 5s on iOS 12. So there is that.
 
No, I'm speaking of the benefits of android which has similar nomenclature...on android technically it's called find "my device" but it's the same thing.

Do I need to repeat the part of my comment that you quoted which answers your own question? Android's passcode does not have the same vulnerability that iPhone's does. The device passcode does not provide access to any linked account i.e. google/samsung, etc where your passwords, find my device, etc.
So what does one use to access their saved passwords on Android? The Google account password?
 
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