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iOS 18.1 Beta Includes Call Recording and Transcribing

scorpio vega said:
Actually that is technically false. There is a reason expectation of privacy when it comes to phone calls.

In states where there are two party consent laws, both have to consent.

In states with one party consent only the one recording needs to consent.

This is also why companies tell you that you’re being recorded before you talk to an agent.

Or else you run into the illegality of wire tapping
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I did not said anything about recording, but about the privacy of the conversation itself - Is not private as long as anyone can disclose information about the content of the call and that information can be verified (thus the anyone can assume that the information provided is correct).

Wire tapping is ilegal - but not sure about third parties overhearing the conversation (event if not intentional). E.g., like someone using a speakerphone, someone can deduct the content of the conversation by the answers (like if someone is with you are talking over the phone)...... change in voice or behavior while on a phone call (cheating?)

Regarding recording here's an article: https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING-CONVERSATIONS-CHART.pdf
- unsure if it has info up to date.
 
Doesn’t every recording capable video call app plays an announcement before recording? It’s pretty standard.

Not all iPhones can handle a full whisper-like model. Apple already runs a ML on Apple Watch and all, but the precision on this one is prob much better.
 
rictus007 said:
I did not said anything about recording, but about the privacy of the conversation itself - Is not private as long as anyone can disclose information about the content of the call and that information can be verified (thus the anyone can assume that the information provided is correct).

Wire tapping is ilegal - but not sure about third parties overhearing the conversation (event if not intentional). E.g., like someone using a speakerphone, someone can deduct the content of the conversation by the answers (like if someone is with you are talking over the phone)...... change in voice or behavior while on a phone call (cheating?)

Regarding recording here's an article: https://www.mwl-law.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/RECORDING-CONVERSATIONS-CHART.pdf
- unsure if it has info up to date.
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Again someone using speakerphone and someone recording a conversation are two different things.

This is not third party. If I call you and it’s a two party state I have to have your permission and consent to record the conversation.
 
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People saying Apple is in a legally risky position are nuts.

Do you have to scroll through a legal disclaimer every time you use the camera feature? Apple doesn’t know if you’re taking illegal photos of others or of minors.

Call recording is a tool and it’s up to the user to determine legality.
 
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canadianreader said:
Some people especially women victim of repeated abuse and/or harassment they should not to announce the call is recorded to use it as proof later in a court of justice (if admissible). The fact the iPhone automatically announces that the call is recorded defeats the propose in this particular scenario.

p.s. in Canada it is legal to record a call or private conversation without prior notification.

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same in the UK and most of EU countries. As I said before we should get an option to turn it off based on location. it's not my problem that in California it is illegal......
 
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I don’t know why everyone is so excited for this. I’ve always recorded calls by just having it on speaker and opening voice memos in my Apple Watch and just recording it with my Apple Watch. Easy.
 
Ghost31 said:
I don’t know why everyone is so excited for this. I’ve always recorded calls by just having it on speaker and opening voice memos in my Apple Watch and just recording it with my Apple Watch. Easy.
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not handy when on train or in a noisy environment also everyone around is listening......Plaud is a beautiful device to record on iPhone. I thought I could get rid of it but the stupid native recording announcement in 18.1 forces me to still use Plaud. Disappointed.....that was the feature I was looking for. Anyway after years of telling us that call recording is impossible on iPhone now, out of the blue we found out that it is possible with a great clarity of both sides and a transcript! Why has it taken them so many years? Android always has it! and from very beginning with the announcement about recording 🤣🤣🤣
 
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Attirex said:
This feature seems like a usability/legal/socially fraught nightmare to me. Not sure why Apple would want to get even near it.
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Why? This is mentioned out at the beginning of the call.

I think it's great to have a system-integrated way of providing evidence against lying police officers, cheating companies and exploitative bosses.
 
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erbz said:
From my testing it doesn't appear that you can currently initiate recording on an incoming call. I hope that changes though.
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Do you need to initiate recordings manually every time, or maybe there is a setting like 'Record ALL calls (automatically)'?
 
I want to issue a correction from what I previously reported. You can record incoming calls, but you have to have initiated a recording on an outgoing call first. There's a small intro to the feature the first time you use it, and I guess they decided they only want that to happen on an outgoing call.

Some other interesting things. I made a long distance call and it wouldn't allow me to record until the person picked up. Basically I couldn't initiate the recording during the automated message about the call being long distance, or the ringing.
 
I’d like to see a setting on my phone that says “block all external recording”, or an in-call button to approve/reject recording by another party.
 
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sunny5 said:
There are many countries allowing call recording to be used as a legal evidence so why not?
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....so seems like the main use case for the feature is to catch someone in a lie or shady or illegal act. Why would a risk averse business like Apple want to get even near that? No thank you.
 
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Attirex said:
....so seems like the main use case for the feature is to catch someone in a lie or shady or illegal act. Why would a risk averse business like Apple want to get even near that? No thank you.
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Probably you are not use to it but that's totally normal in several countries due to lying and harassing.
 
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