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Well, they could actually make the operating system more configurable, instead of fighting it. If they do it everywhere, with a few exceptions, they'll have less to fight.

They can still make money on equipment and software they produce.
I agree with you. Apple did this to themselves. The sad thing is, Apple don't make great software anymore. It can't stand on its own. They're so slow to do anything, and even when they take their time we get half-baked results like Apple Intelligence, Vision Pro, and in a software sense, look at Mail and Messages. They're wildly behind third party apps. It's such a shame.
 
I think MacRumors provides excellent coverage of Apple news and rumors on a daily basis. I view the odd title like this one that might be more casual or withhold some details as a subsidy in a sense. These stories generally receive more views, which helps to support our organization and the many other quality stories we write with straightforward titles or more depth.
It's a valid point. I'd suggest, if you could do some sort of sub-heading (I've seen sites with a secondary line under the main title on articles), so the main title still says:

iOS 18.4 Adds a Highly-Requested Setting to iPhones — But Not in U.S.

But then the subheading says:

iOS 8.4 adds the ability to choose your navigation app, for users outside the US

It'd probably go a long way towards appeasing both sides. If random passersby are clicking on headlines because they jump out, well, you've got your ad revenue already then. And for the more dedicated users who are here every day, they'll have their concerns answered before they start to read the article (or at least be slightly more informed for the ones that seem to skip the article and go straight to the comments to argue about the headline).

I've been coming here basically every day for the last 20 years, to get a quick sort of overview of what's new in the Mac news / rumors field, and it's the first (and often only) site I check for Mac news, because you've been doing a good job of it for such a long time. I started paying for membership a few years back, because the ad-free experience is much better, and because I'd like to see the site stay around. Keep up the good work, it's appreciated.
 
So there is no integration point for this today - Apple is basically pushing a beta integration point, that both regular apps and navigation apps will still have to implement. For apps wanting to use this, they'll need to gate around availability checks for years, even if this was to be rolled out globally tomorrow. And it is likely to change - the point is likely to have a fresh scheme with all the navigation providers on equal footing, rather than being forced to adapt the featureset and limitations that google had back in 2012.
Good point. I suspect the other win, though, for being able to set a default, is (will be) being able to ask Siri for directions and getting them in Google Maps/etc.

Personally, I like Apple Maps a lot more than Google Maps (UI, features, and no creepy data collection), but having a choice is nice.
 
iOS is Apple’s IP. So they’re free to offer this useful and highly requested setting in other regions of the world.


Competition and choice is good for consumers like you (and me) 👍
You've always had choice. You don't like what Apple is offering then move to Android.

I just love this nonsense. People buy an iPhone/iPad knowing full well what their getting and what they'll be doing without and yet still bitch that "I can't do what I want to with what I bought!". As has been explained to ad nauseam, you can do whatever you want to with the hardware. You do own that. What you do not own and can't do anything with (something fyi you knew full well when you bought your device) is the os.
 
I agree with you. Apple did this to themselves. The sad thing is, Apple don't make great software anymore. It can't stand on its own. They're so slow to do anything, and even when they take their time we get half-baked results like Apple Intelligence, Vision Pro, and in a software sense, look at Mail and Messages. They're wildly behind third party apps. It's such a shame.
Apple have to be behind third party applications.

Remember AppleWorks? It became Claris Works because Apple's third party developers alleged that the company had too much control over the Apple II line and the softwware. To me, the software wasn't very good until it became part of a spin-off company, but they had to go with the flow or be punished.
 
Imagine being on Windows and not being able to choose your own default browser, or email client. Apple made their bed, now they can sleep in it.
Imagine willingly being on iOS and then complaining you can't do something because of the rules imposed on that os. Rules that you fully understood and accepted when you bought the device.
 
Dear Apple, I wouldn’t need to set an alternate Maps app if you would give your Maps app the ability to auto set itself to light mode when the rest of the iPhone is in dark mode.
 
So I gotta wonder, since I'm in Europe usually once or twice a year... How is this going to be governed? By IP address, carrier network, eSIM, some other means? Because of global commerce, I doubt they could govern this by where the phone was sold, alone.

I have a completely unlocked iPhone 16 on AT&T here in the United States. I take it to Europe, and... This suddenly becomes a setting I can change? Especially if a buy an eSIM for a European carrier and add it to my phone. The "Settings" is unified, regardless of which carrier I choose to use via the phone. I set Google Maps as my default in Europe, delete Apple Maps, and return to the United States - what happens? Apple reaching back into my Settings and changing this back on me seems rather heavy-handed.

It would be the same problem if someone from Europe with this setting in place travelled to the United States.
 
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Would setting a default stop websites from asking me to open in Google Maps when I don't have that app installed on my phone?
I don’t know a way to stop that but I do use an extension called Map Redirect that directs those Google Maps links to Apple Maps. It’s seamless. Just goes straight to Apple Maps instead.

As much as I despise Google and would prefer to use Apple products over Google products, Google Maps is significantly better than Apple Maps in terms of accuracy. And that shows Tim Cook's hypocrisy: Cook fired the visionary Scott Forstall because Forstall wouldn't apologize for Apple Maps being problematic when launched in 2012. Well, Cook has now had 12 years to make Apple Maps better than Google Maps, and despite Apple being worth trillions, Apple Maps is still inferior to Google Maps. Cook is a miser who doesn't want to spend money to fix bugs and improve functionality in Apple's software. Tightwad Tim refuses to spend money because he is overly focused on maximizing profits for shareholders.
Definitely not my experience. Google is great at search but the navigation is just not as good. It often leads me to the wrong place. Sure it’ll get me close but not actually there. Never had that happen with Apple Maps in my travels.

I find Apple maps has been better than google. It will tell me to turn sooner than what I have found with google maps telling me to turn somewhere almost after I've passed the turn. I use both to route stuff here in Colorado, and I've found Apple to figure out the better options through all the mountains a majority of the time. But maybe it’s different elsewhere....
Same experience in Colorado, Alaska, Hawai’i, Florida, Washington, Virginia, Pretty much all over the US. It’s just more up to date and has better navigation.It goes where I would normally have gone naturally instead of side streets to try and save 30 sec and often makes it take longer.

Why use an app that won’t give you the results you are searching for in the first place? If I want to find someplace to eat I have the choice between the app that have a lot of places missing and the one that doesn’t, why would I use the former? I just checked in my immediate area (middle of the capital city) and instantly found multiple things wrong like missing restaurants or charging streets showing the incorrect number of chargers.

Especially since Google Maps doesn’t send you the wrong way on one-way streets when navigating and has actual reviews of places.
Because Googles navigation leads many of us astray to try and save time, it’s just not that good. It literally almost got me lost in the wilds of Alaska. Apple Maps got us back on track.

Their search is great though while Apple’s is not (GET RID OF YELP!).
 
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If Apple is so sure of their own product, allow us choose a default app and let the data speak for itself. Imagine being on Windows and not being able to choose your own default browser, or email client. Apple made their bed, now they can sleep in it.
Yeah, let apple sleep in their bed. It's no skin off my back, except that ios is fractured. Microsoft back in the day was a software company and did not sell computers, so Windows was built differently from the get go.
 
iOS is Apple’s IP. So they’re free to offer this useful and highly requested setting in other regions of the world.
100% they are free to do what they want where product regulation is not strangling.
Competition and choice is good for consumers like you (and me) 👍
That's what posters on MR keep saying.
 
Apple have to be behind third party applications.

Remember AppleWorks? It became Claris Works because Apple's third party developers alleged that the company had too much control over the Apple II line and the software.
Valid point. Apple's goal isn't to give you the most powerful, featured, techy app for task XYZ, their goal is to give you a basic app that's easy to use, that will suit the needs of perhaps 2/3rds of their users, for doing XYZ. This leaves ample room for 3rd party developers to develop those more powerful apps, for users desiring more, and also keeps Apple mostly from stepping on developers' toes.
 
Would setting a default stop websites from asking me to open in Google Maps when I don't have that app installed on my phone?
We still haven't been able to get a substantial portion of the websites in the world to stop admonishing the user that "you'll need to install Adobe Acrobat to use this PDF file", while macOS has had Preview for over 20 years.
 
I understand your feedback, and I want to share my personal thoughts on this below. I do not speak on behalf of MacRumors as a whole.

I have seen many independent ad-supported news websites or blogs struggle in recent years, or even shut down. iMore, as one example within the Apple news sphere.

I think MacRumors provides excellent coverage of Apple news and rumors on a daily basis. I view the odd title like this one that might be more casual or withhold some details as a subsidy in a sense. These stories generally receive more views, which helps to support our organization and the many other quality stories we write with straightforward titles or more depth.

AnandTech shutting down is a sad example of how focusing 100% on quality alone isn’t always enough to stay afloat. They offered incredibly deep technical analysis.

The alternative solution that some sites like The Verge have turned to is a paywall, which is totally fine, but that also upsets some readers!

If you want MacRumors to exist for free for many years to come, like I do, then I hope you can see where I’m coming from. Still, thank you for voicing your totally valid feedback.

It’s also totally your right to simply disagree with me and/or thumbs-down this post, but I’m not sure that changes the reality of the situation for ad-supported web publications.

This is painfully accurate and I sincerely appreciate your candor.
 
We still haven't been able to get a substantial portion of the websites in the world to stop admonishing the user that "you'll need to install Adobe Acrobat to use this PDF file", while macOS has had Preview for over 20 years.
Firefox can read, and occasionally edit, some PDF files now.

Acrobat Reader hasn't been necessary anywhere for a while.
 
It’s been a while since I tried it but I can’t understand the popularity of Waze. The design looks like bad early 00’s Tomtom and it shows ads whenever you stop at traffic lights.

Who puts up with that?
I used Waze because it showed me delays, such as trains and accidents ahead, but the suggestions to make me wait in traffic jams drove me away.
 
Dear Macrumors,

Stop speaking for anyone other than yourself. I enjoy Apple Maps yet I rarely need it, including for navigation. I cannot stomach Google in practically every aspect, especially Chrome and it's heavy backend directions services.

The idea of "choice" will soon be followed up with Apple not protecting our privacy data whining. Hard to do outside one's own ecosystem.
 
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