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So you have just proven my point. You clearly didn't like Apple's offering and chose to move to Android
That does not preclude that fact that you do not own the os
There is no duopoly. There are many, many os's other than Android & iOS. iOS only gets the attention because that's where the money is, where the EU sees the deepest pockets and feels it can shakedown Apple any time it wants with invented violations and made up charges.
See above.
I love how the EU feels it can dictate to Apple invented charges & violations yet does absolutely nothing about EU companies who are willfully violating the same laws that they accuse Apple of having violated.
…which they have to. Cause two companies control the distribution chain for the relevant products/services, in a duopoly.
They’re not relevant (for the category of devices).
And you know that.
No. It gets the attention because its developer (Apple) stubbornly throws tantrums and refuses to comply in good faith.
There’s no monetary shakedown.
The E.U. is giving Apple ample opportunity to comply and makes it very clear how to do so.
👉 Apple have a choice to comply and not get fined.
(Just like you’re telling me I can choose Android)
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Haven’t it been for a long time? Are you from the US, because there has been a lot of fracturing of features where the US is (almost) always ahead of other countries, when they do country by country roll out. Even worse when it comes to language specific features. Apple is supposedly one of the riches companies in the world but sometimes they are slower than an underfunded Kickstarter project to do basic things outside the US.
This is bad for us who wants Google to loose and Apple to win for their products and services.
Yes, but it was also EU's choice to not allow closed down, proprietary systems which keeps app developers in their proper place.
No one forced EU to implement DMA except themselves.
No they don’t. Are you telling me the iOS App Store is the only distribution mechanism in the entire world?
Yes, it is (or rather used to be, before this legislation) the only distribution mechanism for iOS apps in the entire world.
To consumers and non-“enterprise” customers anyway (that is, with the small exception of in-house “enterprise” apps and for development/testing purposes).
There is a duopoly of operating systems for smartphones/handheld mobile devices. And their respective developers (Apple and Google) control the distribution of apps for these operating systems. Prohibiting or strongly discouraging installation from alternative sources.
Commercial developers of mobile apps can’t evade the App Store and the Play Store. And neither can providers of many services consumed on smartphones (for instance, people do expect a native user interface and their audio streaming to run as a background app/process). Ignoring these two stores makes anyone’s business models unviable. And anything else - and that includes other such stores or “sideloading” is below the threshold of market relevance.
You may say “oh, they should develop their own smartphones and operating systems then, rather than freeloading on Apple’s and Google’s“. But such balkanisation or “fracturing” of the market is nothing consumers or developers asked for. It benefits no one in the long term.
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- The DMA is terrible legislation and has cause apple to fracture iOS.
- The World Wide Web is a big place and there are many avenues of digital distribution. The iOS App Store one among the many.
- The iOS App Store is a monopoly the same as the Honda Accord
- There are multiple app stores across the manufacturers varying in size
- Using market share to brand Apple as a gatekeeper won’t work in the EU, which is why Apple has to use revenue. Apple customers: “spend, baby, spend”.
- If the EU wants competition, let them develop a smartphone. This negative effects of this bad legislation won’t be felt in our lifetimes, but will be there nonetheless.
It’s a big place - but you can’t download apps and install them on iPhones.
Neither can you the same for most Android apps.
It’s not.
The Honda Accord is one brand/make of automobile among many competing cars from a large variety of manufacturers.
Also, a Honda accord isn’t a “marketplace”, or store front.
…if you conveniently ignore market concentration,
No market for distribution of mobile apps is even nearly as concentrated as the ones for cars. Honda or not.
(Well… maybe with the exception of a handful of tiny island nations?)
Again, no one asked for a third, fourth or fifth platform.
Without an established ecosystem of third-party apps, that’s an exercise in futility.
No one buys smartphones without compatibility with Android and/or iOS apps.
And no developer will develop apps for an operating system without established user base.
That suggestion - as well as most of your arguments - are dogmatic.
Whereas the EU’s Digital Markets Act is a pragmatic law.
There is something called a browser however.
Can you produce a Honda accord? Honda has monopoly in the accord. It’s Honda’s property.
If you conveniently ignore market concentration, android wins.
Not relevant.
It’s competition, more competition.
How can you say no one. Flip phones that are not “smart” are being sold today.
Most of your talking points are dogmatic. They are reused talking points of the DMA.
…that doesn’t play music or videos in the background and/or for offline use.
Many alternative cars are available that satisfy most users’ needs.
The same can’t be said for mobile operating systems or App Stores.
It is very relevant.
The very reason the DMA was passed is market concentration in digital platforms.
“Hardly anyone” then, if you insist.
Even less so as a main phone.
People in developed nations rely on smartphones to communicate, for entertainment, transport and payment activity.
It has become a ubiquitous everyday item to use. While it’s true that a smartphone is technically not required to survive, the suggestion that people “don’t need one” is not realistic for most.
“There are non-smartphones”
“You don’t really need smartphones, they’re just a convenience”
“There are other (mobile) operating systems”
“There are other application stores for them”
“There are other, “non-app” ways to deliver services to smartphones”
These are all fringe arguments.
Smartphones - and the apps that run on them - have become ubiquitous devices/tools to communicate and manage our daily lives. So have “maps” applications. It shouldn’t be that hard to accept.
Neither should it be that hard to acknowledge that the market dynamics for cars and mobile OS/applications are not the same. There are more than two manufacturers and more than two car “platforms” that account for 95% of the market.
Regardless of whether you support the EU and its DMA as “good” legislation or oppose it.
That’s not true.
There are multiple App Stores? No?
We disagree on this poi tax
Your arguments to me are circular because the are the restated arguments of the DMA, which used this justification to enact this terrible legislation.
There was no finding. The DMA is crafted to split open Apple. And as I said the negative ramifications won’t be felt for a while.
@I7guy
The only thing fractured at Apple is its monoculture. It’s product strategy up until now is a reflection of that. All highly successful companies go through such a phase. Will see how long it will take Apple to adapt. The faster it adapts the more profits. The slowest … if it stalls it collapses into irrelevancy in a decade or so. Not possible? It’s just a phone once said Steve Jobs. All still hangs on that product.
Siri issues (amongst many others) probably the most visible, is a reflection of that. HomeKit has stalled. There are many integration / continuity issues that make it less robust than it is necessary not to be a recurrent stop gap in one’s workflow … etc etc. Things that inspired a future full of potential now is kind of frawned upon users.
This has nothing to do with the DMA.
The only thing fractured at Apple is its monoculture. It’s product strategy up until now is a reflection of that. All highly successful companies go through such a phase. Will see how long it will take Apple to adapt. The faster it adapts the more profits. The slowest … if it stalls it collapses into irrelevancy in a decade or so. Not possible? It’s just a phone once said Steve Jobs. All still hangs on that product.
Siri issues (amongst many others) probably the most visible, is a reflection of that. HomeKit has stalled. There are many integration / continuity issues that make it less robust than it is necessary not to be a recurrent stop gap in one’s workflow … etc etc. Things that inspired a future full of potential now is kind of frawned upon users.
This has nothing to do with the DMA.
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The EU has been the second pillar of American tech growth world wide.
Such claims are ridiculous. Just look at the data.
Just because we don’t do what you want us to do for your shares sake it does not make the EU an enemy like your President is painting. Just look at the data. Honestly, look at the data!!! Even AI knows that the data is quite favorable to American tech companies operating in the EU.
Now bad management decisions produces less positive results if not bad. It has nothing to do with the DMA.
Do you want Apple start poking politics in the EU? Look at what EU users are doing to Tesla and ask most EU users today if they still want to buy one as much as some months ago.
Is that what you want for Apple? EU population shares many values with the American population. But inspite of all American attempts of late, inspired by the Russian as it seams, to discredit our institutions, we still treasure them. Just because as it seams that the US TikTok population do not treasure their own, the rest of the democratic world is not wrong for not following up.
I think the American tech companies did amazingly well with the EU open market. Look at how far they went and can go in further. Granted, anything can be improved. But it seams that America is pushing for regime change where the government is run by their major tech companies and lobbies, let people vote with their wallet, no fact checking (opinions and speculation rule), the law is not applicable to everyone the same and many other tendencies ... its an ideological change. That is not the way of the EU, at least for now. We believe in a state of law and democracy, where internal balances of power and truth are nurtured, not dismantled, with the most benefits for the population.
Will see.
PS: How is Apple doing in China and Russia?
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It is true.
You can’t play offline music or videos on iOS in the background unless either a) through an app or b) it’s in a standard non-DRM format - a a no-go for any streaming service from a licensing perspective. Also, iOS does not provide reasonable playlist function to do so. And progressive web apps aren’t feasible either, due to the restrictions in storage and background activity that Apple imposes on them.
There are two. And while they’ve split up the market between them, they don’t really compete with each other (cause the exist on different platforms). Any other store is pretty much irrelevant in market share and share of the user base.
There is reasoning behind that law - and I largely agree with it. There’s nothing “circular” about that.
We obviously have a different opinion on everything, but the rational for the DMA in these posts is based on the false precepts of the DMA itself. Which is why, imo, circular reasoning.
That's a choice it makes because it calculates what it thinks is the fastest route, not the one that's most likely to keep you moving. I do wish it had a "if there's a traffic jam I'd rather keep moving than sit in traffic" option. I think most of us would rather not sit in traffic. I've had some luck with turning on the "Settings > Navigation > Avoid freeways" option and rerouting.
I am really waiting for the default “cloud provider”. The way Apple locks me in with Photos, without offering an API for developers to export data for backups or migration keeping all the metadata intact, is terrible.
Unfortunately Google Maps as a total offering triumphs the other two. No competitions. Again, unfortunately…