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No amount of effort or money poured into Siri will ever improve it. It’s straight trash in every way. I’m still shocked how in 2024 I can do a voice to text and it gets 12% of what I said right. Trillion dollar company….
I dunno what you're using but I've found using Siri via CarPlay works fine, it's very rare it gets something wrong.
 
Every "update" is just a new way to waste processing power and drain battery.
How about they strip back and make it more efficient? 3, 4 days battery life should be the norm by now.
But no, they have to continually tax the CPU with nonsense "AI" and slow down your older phones to convince you to update. What a racket.
youd make a lot of money if you could do the 3 days battery life thing ! Obviously harder than it looks as no one is doing it….
 
youd make a lot of money if you could do the 3 days battery life thing ! Obviously harder than it looks as no one is doing it….

A few phones will do 18 hours, so two, nine hour days or three, six hour days.
 
Nice. So we get “changes” that were either forced by the EU or how Apple sees how they are behind in AI. Where’s the originality? I despise how Android has become more innovative that iOS, but that is now a sad truth. Folding phones, full screen phones without a notch and under display cameras and fingerprint readers, etc. Yet, the next iPhone ADDS A BUTTON?? A button to take pictures?? Does anyone remember how Apple made the fingerprint sensor popular?
Actual innovation comes unexpected bugs and issues, and Apple knows that its users whine about anything unexpected. Folding phone... whine about the crease; under screen cameras... whine about image quality and the glimmer/shine used to hide it when off; etc.

Apple users are why Apple waits until technology is mature before implementing it.
 
I don't want Siri to generate a picture of flying tiger or cat driving a car etc.. It's enough if it can understand me properly, help me to call my wife than calling neighbour, give an answer than asking me to unlock my device and look what Siri has found on the web while I drive.
 
Siri needs to be both smarter about the outside world (facts, weather, current events) and smarter about the world inside the phone. If you could, for example, prompt Siri to make a shortcut or a HomeKit automation by just describing what you want it to do? That would be very good. A much more intelligent Siri that has control of more of your phone’s functions would be able to make the device a lot more productive for many people. Many features go unused that Siri could use instead to either jump to a desired result or instruct the phone user in how to access and use a features. Stuff like that is what Siri needs do be able to do.
Agree. (Emphasis mine) My biggest beef with Siri is that it just isn’t much of an “assistant” precisely because it can’t even handle tasks within the phone and its built-in apps and services. I care a lot less whether it can turn on my living room lights than I do about the fact that I could not ask Siri to, for example, “connect to VPN” without essentially teaching it how with “Shortcuts”. If I am driving and ask Siri to “play some Rock music” it replies I don’t have any in my library even though Music app lists plenty of music in the requested genre in my library and loaded on the device.

That’s just a couple of examples of things I consider basic minimum functionality for a mobile device assistant. If the capability is on the device natively (meaning Apple put it there), Siri should be stellar at handling requests associated with it. There is no excuse for a $trillion organization to do anything less. “Here’s something I found on the web…” is not what I’m looking for when I engage Siri to “assist” me with something.
 
Agree. (Emphasis mine) My biggest beef with Siri is that it just isn’t much of an “assistant” precisely because it can’t even handle tasks within the phone and its built-in apps and services. I care a lot less whether it can turn on my living room lights than I do about the fact that I could not ask Siri to, for example, “connect to VPN” without essentially teaching it how with “Shortcuts”. If I am driving and ask Siri to “play some Rock music” it replies I don’t have any in my library even though Music app lists plenty of music in the requested genre in my library and loaded on the device.

That’s just a couple of examples of things I consider basic minimum functionality for a mobile device assistant. If the capability is on the device natively (meaning Apple put it there), Siri should be stellar at handling requests associated with it. There is no excuse for a $trillion organization to do anything less. “Here’s something I found on the web…” is not what I’m looking for when I engage Siri to “assist” me with something.
I mostly agree with you but Siri works perfectly well for me with "Play some rock music", "Play some rock music in my library", and "Play genre rock music".
 
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Even if it winds up introducing all sorts of funky new bugs, a major iOS update would be worth it just for Siri to actually be good for a change. 😩
 
Actual innovation comes unexpected bugs and issues, and Apple knows that its users whine about anything unexpected. Folding phone... whine about the crease; under screen cameras... whine about image quality and the glimmer/shine used to hide it when off; etc.

Apple users are why Apple waits until technology is mature before implementing it.

That’s such a cop-out. Don’t blame the customer for a company’s lack of vision or innovation or quality control.
 
That’s such a cop-out. Don’t blame the customer for a company’s lack of vision or innovation or quality control.
The technology doesn't exist yet to flawlessly hide an under screen camera without impacting image quality, so if Apple introduced one it would have inferior image quality and there would be a bit of a glimmer when the camera is hidden. This isn't a cop out, this is the current technology, but Apple users would still whine about it. So Apple is waiting until those problems can be solved because they know that Apple users cant handle the teething pains that come with real innovation.

If you take that personally, guess which type of Apple user you are.
 
I mostly agree with you but Siri works perfectly well for me with "Play some rock music", "Play some rock music in my library", and "Play genre rock music".
I’m glad it works for you, but as I found out in my limited attempt to get Siri to play my music, a quick DuckDuckGo search for something like “siri wont play music from my library” reveals there are many long-standing music-related issues across multiple iOS versions and Apple devices. If handling music requests isn’t a “core” assistant function in mobile devices, I don’t know what is.

There may very well be some specific combination of settings (Music app, privacy, Apple Music subscription settings, Siri settings, etc.) that allows my simple request to work but at this point, it’s not worth my time to debug further. This sort of thing should “just work”. I’ll just stop using Siri again as I have done every other time in the last 12 years I have foolishly thought to myself “I should try using Siri. Surely it’s better now.”
 
I use Siri every day for all my dictation - I honestly cant remember the last time I typed something whether that was an email , text message or web searches and I drive 3 days a week for 8 hours and she handles all my texts, music and reminders pretty well tbh from apple CarPlay ....

After I showed my mum how to dictate she does the same now.

I am not saying there isn't vast room for improvement but for me she does the job well.
 
No amount of effort or money poured into Siri will ever improve it. It’s straight trash in every way. I’m still shocked how in 2024 I can do a voice to text and it gets 12% of what I said right. Trillion dollar company….
Mr Tim prefer to invest in other magical and glamorous stuff, like historically inaccurate films...
Despite that, I hope they'll present something different and useful at next WWDC,otherwise maybe I'll keep my old ibudy for a long time more
 
Siri is 12 years old, guys. I'm on iOS 17.3

Me: "Add an event in two hours... get shopping"

Siri: "When would you like this event?"

Me: "In two hours"

Siri: "When would you like this event?"

Me: "Today"

Siri: "Your all-day event has been scheduled for today"

Me: "Arrrrrhhhh"
It would be nice if Siri did ask clarifying questions like that, but it doesn’t.


Now, imagine that conversation if you are interacting with a new Siri that uses an LLM AI instead of the old tech.
 
It would be nice if Siri did ask clarifying questions like that, but it doesn’t.


Now, imagine that conversation if you are interacting with a new Siri that uses an LLM AI instead of the old tech.
This was my interaction with Siri. Siri now has trouble adding calendar events. 12 years after it launched. I'm sick of imagining what Siri could be like, Siri sucks.
 
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I just hope they don't make it even worse. 7 was horrific.

When I power up an old iPhone today it's still astonishing how incredible it looks compared to the awful flatness.

It was nearly perfect, then Apple ruined it.
I fully agree with you. iOS 6 was the pinnacle of smartphone operating systems (especially when viewed on the Retina displays of the iPhone 4, iPhone 4s, and iPhone 5). The attention to detail was amazing.

Skeuomorphic design was based on user-friendliness GUI guidelines that Apple had been working on since the early 1980s.

An elderly person or a child, who never used a computer and smartphone, would have a much easier time learning how to use iOS 6 than iOS 7. That's because skeuomorphism has many visual cues whereas flat design does not.

It's so elitist to say people are all used to how to use computers and smartphones so those visual cues are no longer needed.

Skeuomorphism was also artistic, and that's something to appreciate. It took more talent and specialization to create skeuomorphic design.

Apple used to innovate by leading the way for the industry with skeuomorphic design. But then, because Tim Cook is medicore (which is typical of people with MBA degrees), Apple decided to copy Microsoft by using flat design.
 
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