The only real AI is Allen Iverson. Apple better just recognize that and deal with it. Or maybe they need more "Practice"
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iOS 19 Will Bring Biggest Design Overhaul Since iOS 7
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Bring it on Apple. Change is good. I have a feeling though this is a stop gap until iOS 20.
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I know everyone is being pretty negative right now, and the news of the AI delays is beyond disappointing... but a fresh UI look and feel is long overdue and I'm looking forward to it.
I feel like iOS 19 and 20 were reversed in goals by Apple when it became obvious the AI would be delayed. I think iOS 19 was supposed to be AI and LLM Siri focused and iOS 20 would be a big 20th version UI and look and feel update... I think they just spun their priorities around as a result of AI delays.
I’m hopeful, but I hope Apple has really divided its teams equally between Intelligence and the rest of the software. I kind of don’t care about Apple Intelligence, maybe I will in the future, but right now I need to see more considered improvements to basics like navigation, style, multitasking etc. I hope Apple is diverting enough people power towards the new OSs and not just using it as a distraction technique. I think a software overhaul will only work as a distraction technique to be honest if it’s actually really considered, but to get there they probably need to take people off the AI team, which they’re probably unwilling to do, so it’s a tricky situation for them.
Apple is planning for a major design overhaul of the iPhone, iPad, and Mac interfaces with the introduction of iOS 19, iPadOS 19, and macOS 16 later this year, reports Bloomberg. The update will "fundamentally change" the look of Apple's operating system, introducing a more consistent cross-platform experience.
Apple plans to update the style of icons, menus, apps, windows, and system buttons, and the company will simplify the way that users navigate and control their devices. The changes "go well beyond a new design language and aesthetic tweaks."
While specific details are scarce, it's supposedly the biggest update to iOS since iOS 7, and the biggest update to macOS since Big Sur.
There are design elements taken from visionOS, but the update is only "loosely based" on the Vision Pro interface. visionOS features round app icons with a lot of translucency, plus a simple navigation system and more use of 3D elements.
It is Apple's hope that a revamped interface will renew interest in its latest iPhones, iPads, and Macs and distract from the delayed rollout of Apple Intelligence Siri features.
We'll get our first look at the new design in iOS 19, iPadOS 19, and macOS 16 at the 2025 Worldwide Developers Conference, which will take place sometime in June. After that, the updates will be tested for several months before seeing a public launch in the fall.
Article Link: iOS 19 Will Bring Biggest Design Overhaul Since iOS 7
I'm old enough to remember that round dock icons were standard in OS X/macOS loooooooooong before Android was even a concept of a plan
This is what too many people - including at Apple, apparently - don't understand. Separate devices have valid reasons for existing. It makes the devices - and the work they're being used for - much more efficient.
But that point aside, what people with too much money who only buy things because they can and to always have the latest and newest also don't understand is that if if several different devices more or less do the same, look the same, feel the same, it makes them redundant and the majority of people will then not go buy multiples of the same. If my mac essentially becomes an iPhone and I can do everything I need to do on my phone or iPad, I will no longer go buy a mac, or an iPad, or ...
The concept of the "Apple ecosystem" has been so successful because devices complement each other in unmatched ways. Make them all basically the same and the average consumer will spend less on Apple devices, not more, simply because they don't need to.
And no, things do not need to look and work exactly the same for people to seamlessly switch between different devices without too much effort or learning curves. The success of the first iPhones and iPads proved that perfectly.
I like the way it looks but I’m not as happy about the way it works.
I love the light colors and frosted glass
The way they designed the unified toolbar & sidebar thing wastes a lot of space and is also very cluttered. Basically, that’s the main issue with every choice they made. They hid a lot of stuff behind multiple button clicks to make the UI look less cluttered but they also made things take up more space and created areas where you can’t put anything
There’s no reason to think AI is anywhere near as important as the updates Windows 95 had
Consumers don’t seem to care about AI as much as companies want them to. So far, it’s not providing anything particularly useful. People lined up around the block for Windows 95. They went nuts for it. In contrast, companies like Apple and Microsoft are resorting to forcing AI on their users by turning it on after updates even when users turn it off
Also, Apple being late on this is typical of them as a company. They’re never the ones who jump on a technology right away. I’m not sure why anyone would expect them to suddenly change their way of working just because of the AI bubble
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Especially since AI is just a current hype - and waaaaay overrated, especially for the average consumer. It came, and it will go just like many many MANY tech hypes over the last couple decades before (yes, I'm old enough to remember plenty of them - quick, pop quiz, what happened to 3D TVs that suddenly were all the rage like 10 or so years ago?). Because the actual usefulness in everyday life beyond playing around to create AI images of you as a disney character are actually really limited. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against AI per se, there's plenty of valid use and immense potential, e.g. in the sciences (I work in science myself), albeit even my field has seen this bubble where suddenly everything needs to be done with AI, whether it even makes sense or not. But for the average consumer, the shininess will wear off before long and the hype will die down. So, it's not even a bad thing that Apple is "late on this" as hopefully by then they haven't yet spent way too many resources and time on this compared to others. I actually have been hating the Apple of the recent decade that did end up eventually jumping on hypes just because they felt pressured to do so by shareholders, instead of staying true to themselves and their own vision.
I remember the PlainTalk microphones Apple had in the 90s. That went nowhere too.
I’m in the same boat for the most part.
Over my past decade and a half of using iOS bugs obviously pop up here and there, but anything serious has usually been fixed within a couple weeks.
18.3 has been quite decent, way
My understanding is that Apple‘s software team is split up into several teams, focused on different things, and it’s very unlikely their design team would *ever* be moved to work on LLM development because those are completely different things that require completely different skill sets.
I didn’t get that from the article, the idea that all of the devices are going to look and act exactly the same.
But more design consistency is a good thing, as long as the design is made for the device that it’s built on.
There are still areas where iOS and macOS act/look differently and my understanding is that this new design would fix a lot of of that.
You're contradicting yourself in those two sentence, unless I misunderstood what you're trying to say? (can you provide an example?)
Design consistency absolutely is a good thing when within an OS and with the specific use cases of that device in mind. However, Apple has absolutely been moving away from this, e.g. by bringing iOS design elements to macOS in recent years while also failing to even maintain consistency within the respective OSes.
iOS and macOS (and all the other Apple OS) not only are allowed to act/look/feel differently, they SHOULD, as they are completely different devices with completely different use cases. No, icons do not need to look all round or all rounded on all devices. They should look such on the respective device what makes the most UI/aesthetic sense on the respective device. Just one example that seems to come up a lot.
A "more consistent platform experience"? This is a company that won't even offer the same stock apps on iPhone and iPad. Want to write in the Journal app on your iPad? Forget about it. Want the convenient iPad keyboard on your iPhone? Kick rocks. Want to check your Fitness data on your iPad? Take a hike. Please, spare me. The only thing consistent about Apple is its refusal to grow any real connective tissue in its "unified" platform. It's BEEN a fractured ecosystem and will continue to be so until this company learns the definition of the term "user experience."
They really need to get back to that tick-tock Snow Leopard style release to actually fix all the garbage they make now.
Think of something as simple as the lock screen.
On the iPhone and iPad, it’s an area that can be heavily customized. You can put shortcuts on the bottom of it, it houses all of your notifications, it has widgets, it has different clock styles, it has live activities.
On the Mac it’s… just where you enter your password. It has the benefit that you can put a moving screensaver behind it, but besides that, it’s literally just for logging in. No extra functions, other than logging in it’s basically completely useless.
Or the Notification center, iOS has long ago moved away from using the notification center to how’s widgets, that’s something back from the iOS 8/Yosemite days that the Mac hasn’t caught up with.
Or in several of the built-in apps, there are just functions and interfaces throughout the operating system that are inconsistent in ways that go way beyond just being different designs for different form factors.
Think the Apple Music app, the Apple Music app on the Mac is a completely different beast from the Apple Music app on iOS. There really isn’t any reason for them to be that different, yet they are. There are Apple Music features on the iPhone, completely missing from the Mac, and even more features on Apple Music for the Mac completely missing on the iPhone.
New ways to interact with iPhone UI makes me think of connecting to watch to do some Apple vision-lite stuff on iPhone…hmmm yes very interesting with lots of possibilities.
I for one believe in Apple and their software implementations!!! Beats using shady google stuff
And six months after it appears in September, we’ll know exactly what the next major releases of Android and ColorOS will look like.
Apple is planning for a major design overhaul of the iPhone, iPad, and Mac interfaces with the introduction of iOS 19, iPadOS 19, and macOS 16 later this year, reports Bloomberg. The update will "fundamentally change" the look of Apple's operating system, introducing a more consistent cross-platform experience.
Apple plans to update the style of icons, menus, apps, windows, and system buttons, and the company will simplify the way that users navigate and control their devices. The changes "go well beyond a new design language and aesthetic tweaks."
While specific details are scarce, it's supposedly the biggest update to iOS since iOS 7, and the biggest update to macOS since Big Sur.
There are design elements taken from visionOS, but the update is only "loosely based" on the Vision Pro interface. visionOS features round app icons with a lot of translucency, plus a simple navigation system and more use of 3D elements.
It is Apple's hope that a revamped interface will renew interest in its latest iPhones, iPads, and Macs and distract from the delayed rollout of Apple Intelligence Siri features.
We'll get our first look at the new design in iOS 19, iPadOS 19, and macOS 16 at the 2025 Worldwide Developers Conference, which will take place sometime in June. After that, the updates will be tested for several months before seeing a public launch in the fall.
Article Link: iOS 19 Will Bring Biggest Design Overhaul Since iOS 7
I bought the 15 Pro. If I was on Android now, I wouldn’t have bought the 16 Pro. Or 16. Or 16e. And I’m so displeased I’m at least perusing the new Androids out there. I still think the M1 iPad as the most amazing piece of hardware I’ve ever bought and would buy a new one today if it cost me a foot and an arm. The iPhone is comparatively the most underperforming piece of hardware (taking into consideration price) I’ve ever bought.