Why would you bitch and gripe if your phone works perfectly? Two unrelated statements.
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iOS 4.1 Beta Includes Apple's Planned Signal Bar Changes
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I am finding I can still make my signal bars go down, but I can make them go down to zero. At one bar I am still able to make a call and keep it without issues. I had my phone in the "death grip" for five minutes and could not make it go to searching for signal.
I took the images from 4.1 and compared them to my 4.0 iPhone 4. I then did an opacity comparison and used the marquee tool to select the areas of each and color the difference in green. This is the result that I got, after blowing up the image x 4 so its easier to see. They have effectively made the smaller bar twice as tall! As tall as the old 2nd bar. Wow:
Does the height of the bars accurately illustrate the difference in signal strength? On any phone? Would you care if all bars were the same height and your measure of signal strength was the number of bars? Oh snap, isn't that how we read this graphic?
It's funny how "Demi-God" living in Alabama doesn't know how to spell.
Back to your comment: that's because there's always a reason to bitch, y'know.
The new software update only cover lies!!! it lies to you that you have full bars but no signal strenght in actuality.
Also the screen shop of that iphone looks like a copyrighted app found in Cydia. They should sue Apple for stealing their folder/organization technique.
Also the screen shop of that iphone looks like a copyrighted app found in Cydia. They should sue Apple for stealing their folder/organization technique.
And you expect software to fix a hardware issue?
Now maybe if Apple could create little nanotechnology bots, they could fix the hardware issue while you sleep.
I don't really give a **** if the call doesn't drop. It's a $300 iPhone on a $3000 contract, for crying out loud. Speak up for yourselves, speak with your wallet.
Fact is, I went to the Genius Bar and he showed 11% of calls since June 24 have dropped. He told me to hold it differently and turn off 3G?!
Fact is, I went to the Genius Bar and he showed 11% of calls since June 24 have dropped. He told me to hold it differently and turn off 3G?!
ipod out functionality
has anyone running 4.1 beta successfully solved the ipod out problems suffered with iOS4 on many aftermarket car ipod hook up kits? I have a NEO factory ipod integration kit and its functionality was broken with iOS 4. many aftermarket cd players have suffered the same problem. Does iOS 4 solve this?? Any info. would be great.
has anyone running 4.1 beta successfully solved the ipod out problems suffered with iOS4 on many aftermarket car ipod hook up kits? I have a NEO factory ipod integration kit and its functionality was broken with iOS 4. many aftermarket cd players have suffered the same problem. Does iOS 4 solve this?? Any info. would be great.
This should be removed from the site...
I can't believe all the stupid stuff I've read over here!
This is a BETA and all who has agreed to download it are under NDA! It's a SHAME that Mac-Rumors even allows such things! I really hope that Apple Legal is getting in to this violation of STUPID AMATEURS, WOULD BE PROGRAMMERS, which bought their entrance to this FIRST beta!!! Yes, first beta!!!
Man I hope all your buts are kicked by Apple Legal. It's just outraged and you can't talk you way out of this.
I've read a few REAL developers with the same opinion as mine and I fully agree with them. Shame on you Mac-Rumer and FAKE DEVELOPERS violating their NDA!
And if you wanna discuss problems or issues with the first beta, you simply go to the Apple Forum, which is private (yes, the red one), where you will get all the help you can get instead of here on Mac Rumors.
Mac-Rumors will follow Think Secret if they stay allowing these threads. I thought this was a serious site until now ...
I can't believe all the stupid stuff I've read over here!
This is a BETA and all who has agreed to download it are under NDA! It's a SHAME that Mac-Rumors even allows such things! I really hope that Apple Legal is getting in to this violation of STUPID AMATEURS, WOULD BE PROGRAMMERS, which bought their entrance to this FIRST beta!!! Yes, first beta!!!
Man I hope all your buts are kicked by Apple Legal
. It's just outraged and you can't talk you way out of this.I've read a few REAL developers with the same opinion as mine and I fully agree with them. Shame on you Mac-Rumer and FAKE DEVELOPERS violating their NDA!
And if you wanna discuss problems or issues with the first beta, you simply go to the Apple Forum, which is private (yes, the red one), where you will get all the help you can get instead of here on Mac Rumors.
Mac-Rumors will follow Think Secret if they stay allowing these threads. I thought this was a serious site until now
...They never were equally proportional...but they are now. Take a closer look. The smallest bar was 1/2 the size of the second bar, but the 3rd, 4th, and 5th bars are twice as big as the preceding bars. Now the bars actually make sense from a proportion standpoint.
Ok, a few things.
First off, I don't like the pictures I'm seeing of the new bars.... I like the old ones. That's just a stupid move.
Second, to people saying Apple is just making it so it shows 5 bars all the time... Read the stupid letter. They admit it was already showing MORE bars than it was supposed to. They are going the opposite way. It will sometimes be showing less bars than it already was, but it will be more accurate.
Lastly, I'll throw my name in with those not having a problem, but let me clarify. Yes, I can make it go down a couple bars if I put my finger on the strip, but never below a bar. I can't make it kill reception, and more importantly, it has never caused a dropped call or anything. I haven't dropped a call at all since I got it, actually. It gets way better reception than my 3GS for sure. It really comes down to the question of "lab" testing vs. the real world. Can I produce a result? Sometimes, sure. Has it affected me in any way? No, not at all.
I think the proximity sensor issue is a much, much bigger one personally, because it HAS affected me in the real world and caused a few minor issues. Nothing beyond turning on speaker phone when I didn't mean to, but I could see it ending up in an ended call with some bad luck.
First off, I don't like the pictures I'm seeing of the new bars.... I like the old ones. That's just a stupid move.
Second, to people saying Apple is just making it so it shows 5 bars all the time... Read the stupid letter. They admit it was already showing MORE bars than it was supposed to. They are going the opposite way. It will sometimes be showing less bars than it already was, but it will be more accurate.
Lastly, I'll throw my name in with those not having a problem, but let me clarify. Yes, I can make it go down a couple bars if I put my finger on the strip, but never below a bar. I can't make it kill reception, and more importantly, it has never caused a dropped call or anything. I haven't dropped a call at all since I got it, actually. It gets way better reception than my 3GS for sure. It really comes down to the question of "lab" testing vs. the real world. Can I produce a result? Sometimes, sure. Has it affected me in any way? No, not at all.
I think the proximity sensor issue is a much, much bigger one personally, because it HAS affected me in the real world and caused a few minor issues. Nothing beyond turning on speaker phone when I didn't mean to, but I could see it ending up in an ended call with some bad luck.
My testing
Just for giggles I did some testing with speedtest's app with 4.0 and 4.1 with/without using the death grip. The results aren't quite what I expected. Granted I don't know how accurate the app is and these was by no means a scientific test. Not trying to prove anything- I just thought it was interesting. I ran it several times and these results pretty much indicate my rough average.
FWIW, I got my new iPhone today and have used the heck out of it. I haven't had any service issues with voice or data using it without a case so I post these for fun only. Take from it what you will.
Just for giggles I did some testing with speedtest's app with 4.0 and 4.1 with/without using the death grip. The results aren't quite what I expected. Granted I don't know how accurate the app is and these was by no means a scientific test. Not trying to prove anything- I just thought it was interesting. I ran it several times and these results pretty much indicate my rough average.
FWIW, I got my new iPhone today and have used the heck out of it. I haven't had any service issues with voice or data using it without a case so I post these for fun only. Take from it what you will.
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You have that right. I called them Dung Throwing Monkeys. They will not apologize, just scream louder til your ears hurt so they can throw more crap at you.
Like I've said before, if Apple didn't have me by the b@lls, I would return but I've spent too much money in the Appstore to just jump ship.
In time my friend in time. Eventually, overseas imports from cheap factory labor will be obsolete.
Wut? Unpossible!Macrumors said:
This is hilarious and at the same time sad what an accurate analogy it is.
If AT&T was really interested in their phone displays giving accurate information as to what the signal strength was, they'd just have the phone display the signal strength in db like the hacked ones Anandtech was using. But then it would be too easy for people to compare strength between handset makers (and between carriers).
No one has you by the balls. The 3GS is still just as good a phone as it was before the 4 was released. Heck, I'm staying with my 3G unless Apple comes out with a real fix.
A real fix for what? A phone that by most reports has BETTER reception than the 3G and 3Gs?
This issue is not difficult to understand
Point 1: Holding a cell phone (not just the iphone 4) in such a way that your hand covers up some or all of the antenna is going to cause a signal degradation. This is physics. There is no "fix" for this aside from a telescoping antenna you never cover with your hand.
Point 2: iOS was displaying (intentionally or accidentally) bar indicators that were out of line with the actual signal quality.
So what happens when you combine points 1 and 2?
IF you are in an area with poor reception and IF you hold the phone in a way that interferes with the antenna then you will see the bars drop.
So its a major flaw right? WRONG. The iPhone 4 actually gets BETTER reception than previous phones, and in bad areas that means you were seeing more bars because the initial signal strength was somewhat higher, but it wasn't high enough such that antenna interference from your hand wouldn't drop the signal enough to make the display of the bars go down. If you were to hold your iPhone 3G in the same area and try the same thing you'd get the same OR WORSE signal quality, the difference? You wouldn't have had as many bars to begin with.
This is almost entirely a cosmetic issue and wouldn't have been a problem if Apple had been properly displaying low strength as fewer bars to begin with because there wouldn't have been a bar drop to correlate with the actual signal problem!
There is almost nothing Apple can do to "fix" this other than correct the way the signal is displayed so you get more accurate information.
Taller bars? Are you effing kidding me? What is happening at Apple?
Edit: I'm adding the taller bars comparison graphic here for people who won't see it buried in the later posts. I compared the 4.1 vs my 4.0 on my iPhone 4 in Photoshop and colored in the difference. The new 1st bar is twice as tall as the old one! Haha:
What's happening is the cash horde increasing from $30 billion to $40 billion.
I've read a few REAL developers with the same opinion as mine and I fully agree with them. Shame on you Mac-Rumer and FAKE DEVELOPERS violating their NDA!
That is great .. you agree with people that have the same opinion as you .. that is a shocker.
Besides .. being Beta or not. This software update is widely hoped by iPhone fans to fix their reception issues and it doesn't. It is not like people complain about a new feature not being a hundred percent stable yet. It is something that was "broken" in a previous release, was supposedly tackled in this release .. yet nothing changed.
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I don't understand why Apple tries to hide their hardware design flaw by damn UI and ios update? that's why I hate Apple. they just don't admit a big mistake. it just won't go away like this. Stupid, arrogant. it should be recall this time. I am sure that little mistake will lead Apple doom right away. actually, it's not the first time what they have done for decades. we are not beta testers anymore. time has been changed. people are no longer calm down. but they don't know it.
Will I can no longer make my phone go to search for signal, yes my bars go down, but not down to zero, so they did something....