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The ability to still keep upgrading a device that 4 generations old is not good because of the walled garden. I would rather have an open platform and never get os updates!
 
You keep using that phrase but i don't think it means what you think it means.

Also i'll take Ive iOS design over Forstall's all day any day.

For those who don't, the solution is pretty simple. DFU mode your phone and downgrade to iOS 6. That or abandon the platform altogether if you're so inclined.
The point is you can't downgrade to iOS 6... so your solution isn't a solution.

I have an older iPhone lying around and I find iOS 6 to be an eyesore, quite frankly. After getting used to iOS 7, 6 looks quite dated.
 
By getting a lame patch for a disaster of an operating system (iOS7)??

iPhone 4 users (and all iPhone users) could only get their money's worth if they were allowed to backgrade to iOS6!

As a 3GS owner can I please go back to iOS4 while we're at it? After refusing to "up"grade to 5, I upgraded to 6 by accident. It's no longer my primary phone but still works great as a 2ndary camera, alarm, weather checker, etc, and it was much better on iOS 4 than 6.

Apple's decision makes sense for them though. By making upgrades insidiously easy and backgrades impossible, nerfing older products will virtually force users to buy new iDevices. It's kind of like micropayments. "Give us $200 or this app will get exponentially tedious."

All the more reason MacOS > iOS.
 
The Music Player!

The music player is now actually usable. Snappy even!

This is good, as we have an old iPhone 4 with a cracked back that we use as a dedicated music player. Our toddler will be quite pleased.:):):)
 
Still substantially slower than ios6 and android 4.4. The phone app on my moto x and old galaxy nexus opens up from scratch (completely closed) in under half of a second close to a quarter. I would be interested to see how fast it is on a nexus s. Anyone have one to test it on?
 
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I have 5S I always wondered why the animation is slow....glad they fixed it with this update and hopefully they make it snappier in the upcoming update :)
 
By getting a lame patch for a disaster of an operating system (iOS7)??

iPhone 4 users (and all iPhone users) could only get their money's worth if they were allowed to backgrade to iOS6!

Thats your opinion but my point is Apple is still updating this particular model...
 
Still substantially slower than ios6 and android 4.4. The phone app on my moto x and old galaxy nexus opens up from scratch (completely closed) in under half of a second close to a quarter. I would be interested to see how fast it is on a nexus s. Anyone have one to test it on?

Are you expecting a single core phone to compete with dual core phones?
Also, the Nexus S hasn't received KitKat, despite Google's boasting that it is optimized for lower end phones.
The iPhone 4 wins on its face because it was updated to begin with.
 
Still substantially slower than ios6 and android 4.4. The phone app on my moto x and old galaxy nexus opens up from scratch (completely closed) in under half of a second close to a quarter. I would be interested to see how fast it is on a nexus s. Anyone have one to test it on?

Comparing Apples to Oranges. Moto X has 2x number of CPU cores and 4x the amount of RAM. Whilst the GNex has 2x RAM/CPU

Also Nexus S doesn't even support anything beyond Android 4.1...at least not officially anyway.
 
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It's pretty amazing Apple can do this. Ask Samsung/HTC/Sony/Google/Nokia consumers what they get in terms of updates and they'll all have tales of woe and reasons why they are never buying a phone again from that OEM. Apple is quite remarkable the way they support old hardware and give consumers the best possible experience. And that's why we love them.

Er, no. Android devices simply stop letting you update, rather than pestering about updates or, even worse, forcing updates. Look at the times from 6 to 7.1... they're ALL worse.

Yes, Apple made some of their mistakes with 7.0 less bad, but it's still SLOWER than it used to be. That does not deserve praise, certainly not to the absurd fanboy level that you are expressing.

If the same story was released except it was about Microsoft/Samsung/etc products, you would be lamenting their idiocy and how terrible they are at updating, how could the new version be slower than the old, they should have at least gotten it to be the same as the old version, it doesn't matter that they improved it a little bit, they have to completely fix.

Your ability to bow down before Apple for the same things you attack competitors is mind boggling.
 
The ability to still keep upgrading a device that 4 generations old is not good because of the walled garden. I would rather have an open platform and never get os updates!

wait... what? you do know that Android is not really open right? you gotta root it, work around boot lockers that can brick your device ... :-/ hmm
 
I think it would have been relevant to mention that this measures the time of opening apps as perceived by the user.

It doesn't measure how much time it takes for the OS to actually load the app, in the case where the animation (which has a constant length) finishes after the app has already finished loading.

Since animation length as been reduced in 7.1, the lower numbers were to be expected. But that doesn't prove 7.1 is faster in terms of actually loading the app (although I suspect it is). iOS 7.1 could have included absolutely no performance enhancements, but shorter animation length, and we'd still be looking at a similar chart.

That fact is also true if we try to compare iOS 7/7.1 loading times against iOS 6. That whole methodology would make an invalid comparison if iOS 6 animation length is shorter than even iOS 7.1.

Just looking at the chart can be misleading if you don't know the methodology used.

Might be a good idea to edit the article if you want this aspect to be clear.
 
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Er, no. Android devices simply stop letting you update, rather than pestering about updates or, even worse, forcing updates. Look at the times from 6 to 7.1... they're ALL worse.

Yes, Apple made some of their mistakes with 7.0 less bad, but it's still SLOWER than it used to be. That does not deserve praise, certainly not to the absurd fanboy level that you are expressing.

If the same story was released except it was about Microsoft/Samsung/etc products, you would be lamenting their idiocy and how terrible they are at updating, how could the new version be slower than the old, they should have at least gotten it to be the same as the old version, it doesn't matter that they improved it a little bit, they have to completely fix.

Your ability to bow down before Apple for the same things you attack competitors is mind boggling.

How many of these were updated this year?
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/tech-sanity-check/leaderboard-the-12-best-android-smartphones-of-2010/

How about these?

http://techland.time.com/2010/10/11/complete-list-of-windows-phone-7-devices-available-at-launch/

Oh, that's right. None.
 
Er, no. Android devices simply stop letting you update, rather than pestering about updates or, even worse, forcing updates. Look at the times from 6 to 7.1... they're ALL worse.

Yes, Apple made some of their mistakes with 7.0 less bad, but it's still SLOWER than it used to be. That does not deserve praise, certainly not to the absurd fanboy level that you are expressing.

If the same story was released except it was about Microsoft/Samsung/etc products, you would be lamenting their idiocy and how terrible they are at updating, how could the new version be slower than the old, they should have at least gotten it to be the same as the old version, it doesn't matter that they improved it a little bit, they have to completely fix.

Your ability to bow down before Apple for the same things you attack competitors is mind boggling.

So the fact that he's applauding Apple for update their product means he's automatically a fanboy just because you don't agree. So much so that you think others NOT updating is actually a benefit that should be emulated.

Nice. Sound logical thinking there.

/s
 
The ability to still keep upgrading a device that 4 generations old is not good because of the walled garden. I would rather have an open platform and never get os updates!

Probably you love ginger bread. Stay safe there!
Hahaha.
 
Safari is going through a huge restructure

Get ready for performance improvements in the next revision, by a long shot.

It's taken nearly 9 months to gut and restructure Webkit, but the improvements and movement towards LLVM/Clang inclusion with C++11 refactoring, gutting of all abstractions dealing with Google alone will have people understanding the term, `snappier' much moreso than the current, sardonic, reference.
 
Get ready for performance improvements in the next revision, by a long shot.

It's taken nearly 9 months to gut and restructure Webkit, but the improvements and movement towards LLVM/Clang inclusion with C++11 refactoring, gutting of all abstractions dealing with Google alone will have people understanding the term, `snappier' much moreso than the current, sardonic, reference.

Thanks for the info. Just out of curiosity, are you contributing to WebKit as a volunteer?
Also, do you think Google forking WebKit to make Blink is a good or bad thing for Safari in the short and long run?
 
You keep using that phrase but i don't think it means what you think it means.

Also i'll take Ive iOS design over Forstall's all day any day.

If people love iOS 6 so much then by all means stay on it. That or abandon the platform altogether if you're so inclined.

I'm not trying to knock on people who love iOS 7. I'm just mad as hell because iOS 6.1 performance wise compared to iOS 7 was just night and day. The biggest issue with iOS 7 is the performance and you gotta be kidding me apple you take 6months to fix what iOS 7.0 was suppose to be initially.

If they issued a fix for the performance issues maybe two months after sept debut I would've been ok but it dragged on forever and these new figures posted isn't something to be proud of either. You go from a heavy texture driven ui to non textured flat coloring no graphics iOS 7 and you'd expect performance to be better since no texture graphics equals lower memory use but instead it's still slower in iOS 7.

I already have given up on iPhone since I have a note 3 now and even though a dual core a7 is better vs the Qualcomm quad cpu the small screen and pathetic iOS is just too weak.

If not for the great iPad apps that android just doesn't have or even compare I'd already sold off my iPads.

This whole iOS 7 is just a mess. If Steve jobs were alive you know he'd flip his dome and fire off everyone responsible for iOS 7.
 
I'm not trying to knock on people who love iOS 7. I'm just mad as hell because iOS 6.1 performance wise compared to iOS 7 was just night and day. The biggest issue with iOS 7 is the performance and you gotta be kidding me apple you take 6months to fix what iOS 7.0 was suppose to be initially.

If they issued a fix for the performance issues maybe two months after sept debut I would've been ok but it dragged on forever and these new figures posted isn't something to be proud of either. You go from a heavy texture driven ui to non textured flat coloring no graphics iOS 7 and you'd expect performance to be better since no texture graphics equals lower memory use but instead it's still slower in iOS 7.

I already have given up on iPhone since I have a note 3 now and even though a dual core a7 is better vs the Qualcomm quad cpu the small screen and pathetic iOS is just too weak.

If not for the great iPad apps that android just doesn't have or even compare I'd already sold off my iPads.

This whole iOS 7 is just a mess. If Steve jobs were alive you know he'd flip his dome and fire off everyone responsible for iOS 7.

Interesting, you seem to have forgotten (or not known) about OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2.

To quote Mr. Siracusa:

"It's tempting to say that 10.2 is what 10.0 should have been. I certainly wouldn't want to show a potential "switcher" a version of Mac OS X other than Jaguar. But in the grand scheme of things, it was much more important for Apple to get the ball rolling with 10.0 than it was to wait until they'd gotten their feet under them to the degree demonstrated in Jaguar."

Sounds familiar.
 
Glad to still be humming along on iOS6 here. Works fast, reliably, and looks a hundred times more polished. Maybe iOS 8 won't be another step backward.

Personally, you couldn't pay me to go back to iOS 6. Well, you could, but it would have to be a LOT. :p
 
Interesting, you seem to have forgotten (or not known) about OS X 10.0, 10.1, and 10.2.

To quote Mr. Siracusa:

"It's tempting to say that 10.2 is what 10.0 should have been. I certainly wouldn't want to show a potential "switcher" a version of Mac OS X other than Jaguar. But in the grand scheme of things, it was much more important for Apple to get the ball rolling with 10.0 than it was to wait until they'd gotten their feet under them to the degree demonstrated in Jaguar."

Sounds familiar.

We'll were talking about iOS strictly. And if they gave up what OS X looks like today for something like iOS 7 of course you'd have a crap load of threads complaining the exact same thing
 
We'll were talking about iOS strictly. And if they gave up what OS X looks like today for something like iOS 7 of course you'd have a crap load of threads complaining the exact same thing

Okay, you've convinced me. You have no knowledge of the history of Apple. OS X over OS 9 is exactly iOS 7 over iOS 6. Radically redesigned, unstable in public, stabilized over time. The only difference is: for these spoiled users, the wait time has been far shorter. 6 months is nothing.
 
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