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I thought the word "snappier" was not allowed to be said on the forum, awhile back....I guess that's not the case anymore. That phrase is getting old though.
 
Whilst I think it's great that iOS 7.1 will make my ageing iPhone 4 snappier (which is unbearable at the moment with iOS 7.0.4, even with a lot of the GUI effects turned off), I don't really understand why a newer operating system should be slower than the old one.

I do get the whole 'let's squeeze much more out of the hardware, and take advantage of the latest handsets' - but surely this should not be at the expense of performance? I don't understand why safari, mail etc. should be slower than they were before - they are the same apps! Every operating system 'upgrade' is actually a 'downgrade' performance wise. I wouldn't be so annoyed if there was a way to revert back to previous iOS versions if the performance suffers so much. This is a deliberate attempt by Apple to prematurely retire your handset early, so you upgrade to the latest hardware.

iOS7 is obviously lazily coded. They are relying on the greater processor speed and RAM of the newer hardware. iOS7 doesn't actually do a whole lot more than iOS6 did and it is massively stripped down graphically. It's just lazy, bloated coding.
 
iOS 6.1 was the best of iOS experience. But function wise it got old and boring. You do realize iOS 7 is still iOS 6.x underneath. It's just the uglier flat kindergartner design that captivates you because attention span for humans these days is like zero. Next you know people will get bored of how a wheel looks and moves. :rolleyes:

Why are you so angry? Take it down a notch.

Obviously I was talking about the design, and obviously iOS 7 has the same backbone :eek:

iOS 6 is hideous and once you're forced to update, you'll agree.
 
In what world do you expect new modern OSes to not run more slowly on aging hardware?
In a world of Snow Leopard and Mavericks. With OS X it has become common that every new version runs better than the previous one in some way or another. It frees up disk space or uses less memory. It may boot up faster or provide longer battery life. And Safari is indeed becoming snappier with every new update.

Okay, I am cheating. I've upgraded my Core2Duo MacBook Pro with an SSD, so its not exactly the same old hardware anymore. But still the system is using less and less resources. When the notebook was brand new, any website with some flash on it would bring the fans to their maximum. Now they never spin up anymore.

First law of progress:
– With time and effort software should get better and use less resources.

Second law of progress:
– Just like hardware is getting better with time, providing more resources.

I know, it never worked that way with Windows. But that's the reason why we loathe Microsoft. :mad:
 
yes its good that its improved for those that updated but according to this report its still slower than 6.1.3 which is an utter failure in my eyes

This is it in a nutshell.

I have an ipad mini and actually like the iOS7 aesthetic but there is no way I'm compromising my iPhone 4 which works beautifully on 6.1.3 (despite the ssl vulnerability). I prefer a snappy workflow more than a few snazzy new features (since iPhone 4 is so far behind anyway).

Upgrading the OS should never compromise a daily goto device like a phone.

So sad that some iPhone 4 users had to endure a gimped device for several months. Very sad.
 
Lets say if there was no macrumors....would you still be a follower and not upgrade?

This is macRUMORS for a reason, a place for people to rant and express their opinion.

out of 300 million iPhone users (fact), what like 10,000 people don't like it...3.3 percent. To me thats a pretty good UI change. heck lets if go with 100,000 people. Still apple, or no other company, can't please every single of you snobby people.

I love my iPhone 4 with iOS 7....other people hate their iPhone 4 with iOS 7. So what? obviously its a personal opinion, not a company decision that why people are annoyed (because if it was a company error, than the internet would blow up)

Good point but, although I follow MR, I did not base my decision not to upgrade on the MR rants. I had seen previews of iOS 7 on youtube and those were enough to keep me away :)
 
so still on ios 6.1.3 on my iphone 4s.... stay on it or upgrade to 7.1 ? I'm tempted to upgrade so I can get some specific apps that run only on ios 7.....

thoughts?
 
The performance of a clean install of 7.1 for all of Apple's iPhone 4 users far outweighs the backlash you and your brethren would have given Apple for not updating it if that had been the case.
Give people what they need, not what they want. That has always been good Apple policy. If the iPhone 4 hardware can't fully support iOS 7 than don't upgrade it. Let the jailbreakers experience the downsides of running software on hardware that doesn't fit the requirements. You can't be Steve Jobs and listen to the masses.

Don't fear to think differently.
 
still on ios 6.1.3 on my iphone 4s.... stay on it or upgrade to 7.1? thoughts?
Do it. The 4S is twice as fast as the 4. You will experience far less performance problems with it. If that is, what you worry about? The new UI however is still as ugly as ever. Do you like the new look or not?
 
Thats your opinion but my point is Apple is still updating this particular model...

Yes, but they are "updating" an OS that basically bricked the phone. So those that "upgraded" to iOS7 now have an OS that gets them "closer" to the performance they had before, but still far inferior.

Not really anything to celebrate.

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so still on ios 6.1.3 on my iphone 4s.... stay on it or upgrade to 7.1 ? I'm tempted to upgrade so I can get some specific apps that run only on ios 7.....

thoughts?

whatever you do, do NOT install iOS7. Youll regret it.
 
and that's why i have a moto g

used to have a iphone 4 and was really happy with it until ios7 hit the fan.. i do like the clean design but the lags just made the phone unusable.. sold it off for 200£ and bought myself a moto g 16gb which kicks easily the **** out of the iphone 4 and 4s.. not a smooth move to slow down old devices apple..
 
iPhone 4 owner here, yes yes it does!
:):apple:
iOS 7 is getting better and better
 
Why are you so angry? Take it down a notch.



Obviously I was talking about the design, and obviously iOS 7 has the same backbone :eek:



iOS 6 is hideous and once you're forced to update, you'll agree.


I've been using iOS7 since day one and I still prefer iOS6 UI. iOS7 does look cleaner, but certain areas they went too far and accessibility suffered. There wouldn't be a need for so many accessibility controls if the OS was designed properly.

An example is the shift key in iOS7 uses solid gray/white to indicate toggle, but the colors could mean either toggle. In iOS6, the shift key glows(ahem...skeuomorphism does work) indicating it's on.
 
It's pretty amazing Apple can do this. Ask Samsung/HTC/Sony/Google/Nokia consumers what they get in terms of updates and they'll all have tales of woe and reasons why they are never buying a phone again from that OEM. Apple is quite remarkable the way they support old hardware and give consumers the best possible experience. And that's why we love them.

They support phones and ipads, but what about ipod touch - only the latest version is updated. Also, in Android world the update of the OS is not so important as apps support older versions of Android, it's more important to have a fast processor and a lot of ram.
 
iOS7 is obviously lazily coded. They are relying on the greater processor speed and RAM of the newer hardware. iOS7 doesn't actually do a whole lot more than iOS6 did and it is massively stripped down graphically. It's just lazy, bloated coding.

Android is a lot less optimized and leaner than iOS is. It is a fact that iOS runs better and faster than Android on similar hardware. You need a quad-core cpu running at 1.6x higher frequency and at least double the ram to get the same performance in Android you get from iOS using the A7 chip. And even then, touch input lag just never seems to go away.

In a world of Snow Leopard and Mavericks. With OS X it has become common that every new version runs better than the previous one in some way or another. It frees up disk space or uses less memory. It may boot up faster or provide longer battery life. And Safari is indeed becoming snappier with every new update.

Safari is probably snappier on iOS7 as well. Forget about times to load the app, I'd like to see benchmarks in terms of loading sites. I can guarantee Safari loads sites faster in 7 than it did in 6. Javascript performance is always being improved with the latest builds, iOS included.

And you're wrong in general though as Mavericks runs like a dog on older hardware. You can thank your upgrade to an SSD for the snappy (yep, I said it) performance. Until I did the same, Mavericks and Mountain Lion were unbearable on an HDD. And forget about running Mavericks with less than 4GB of Ram (with SL can easily do). You'll have a ton of paging as a result and hear your drive grinding to no end.

Fact is, as an OS gets more feature-rich and improvements are made to take advantage of the latest hardware, it *will* run slower on older hardware.
 
:apple: Breathed life into a 4 year old device. Of course iOS7 is going to run a little slower than iOS6 before it has more features/API, etc. Is it better than iOS6? Yes. Is it usable? Of course, with 7.1 it's pretty good. How many 4 year old Android phones run this well?

If Apple didn't upgrade iPhone 4 to iOS7 everyone would be like, petition, why no upgrade? etc They did upgrade and optimized it (7.1) and still people are unhappy.

I think they did a pretty good job! :apple:
 
I've been following all the reports from the 7.0 release and the 7.1 betas about iPhone 4 performance, since that's my phone. I held off upgrading from 6.1.3 until this thread came out and enough people gave positive reviews. Now have been running 7.1 for several days.

It's wonderful. Works perfectly. Not slow at all. I didn't have to disable anything to get it working. I like all the new features, and really feel that across the board it's a great update. Totally prefer it to iOS 6.

I have no idea what anyone is bitching about.

Ok, the SHIFT key is confusing :p
 
I updated to 7.06 to 7.1 and I I can't see almost no differences.
Before 7.1 my Iphone 4 was slow but not inusable, so now I think that something gone wrong with this upgrade. Anyone knows about some benchmarks to test my phone to know if the upgrade to 7.1 failed in some way?
 
nice guy? with the automatic ota download of ios7, not releasing the ssl fix for iphone 4/4s users on ios6, the pathetic offering of apps for a freshly restored first few gen iphones.

fact of the matter is that a perfectly working phone like the original iphone couldnt even sync contacts through a computer with the latest itunes installed.

its only old because of how apple (and the industry). there is nothing old about it and it has plenty of life in it.

please inform me who behaves worse than apple in this regards?
Android compatibility issues are by far more annoying than that of Apple.

I still think iPhone 4 is old. The only thing I do agree with app-store backwards compatibility, which is an awful feature, and this is what essentially renders old iPhones useless, not being able to install older versions of apps.

lets see if apple moves towards the hostile ios behavior with mac os.

perhaps you are not aware of the automatic ota ios7 download but you dont call taking up to 3 gig of space forcing people to upgrade?

I forgot about that. That's annoying yes. And the app-store backwards compatibility is also awful. The fact that you're forced to Jailbreak to have any decent app compatibility is just awful. It's rendered my iPad 1 useless and I don't want the hassle of jailbreaking all over again.

I used to be joking that Mac OS 11 will need to be jailbreaked to do anything as an administrator. :)
 
nice guy? with the automatic ota download of ios7, not releasing the ssl fix for iphone 4/4s users on ios6, the pathetic offering of apps for a freshly restored first few gen iphones.

fact of the matter is that a perfectly working phone like the original iphone couldnt even sync contacts through a computer with the latest itunes installed.

its only old because of how apple (and the industry). there is nothing old about it and it has plenty of life in it.

please inform me who behaves worse than apple in this regards?
Android compatibility issues are by far more annoying than that of Apple.

I still think iPhone 4 is old. The only thing I do agree with app-store backwards compatibility, which is an awful feature, and this is what essentially renders old iPhones useless, not being able to install older versions of apps.



I forgot about that. That's annoying yes. And the app-store backwards compatibility is also awful. The fact that you're forced to Jailbreak to have any decent app compatibility is just awful. It's rendered my iPad 1 useless and I don't want the hassle of jailbreaking all over again.

I used to be joking that Mac OS 11 will need to be jailbreaked to do anything as an administrator. :)

well i guess i can revise my wording. iphone 4 (going on 4 years) is old in the sense of the speed this technology is moving at but i reiterate a point in my previous post. these devices have plenty of life left in them and should not be made to be nothing but paperweights. that is obscene.

as a mac and iphone user i am not that qualified to speak on android but am i wrong in saying that kitkat was trying to improve on that situation?

as you mention with your perfectly fine ipad 1. how does this even fit in the green image apple is trying to portray with the much talked about bravado by tim cook recently?

i own two original iphones, iphone 3, iphone 4 and 5s. if i were to completely restore the three oldest ones and not jailbreak it would be nothing but a glorified feature phone and use nothing of its potential.

you know with the way things are going you might not be far off. them hiding the user library folder was certainly a step in that direction.
 
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