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The article is completely wrong about the 15-minute window being for "additional in-app purchased". What Apple would let you do is:

1) Enter you password to download a FREE app for your kid to play. This is NOT to make a purchase.
2) For the next 15-minutes, your kid could make in-app purchases, or purchase other apps.

Apple also forces you to enter your password just to update an application you've already purchased. Yet, if you delete that app, you can then download it (the "cloud" icon) without entering your password. WTF?
 
I really don't understand why Apple can't wrap it's head around implementing easier iTunes purchases.

Android got it right by not asking for authentication for free apps/games, that's how it should be done.

I can't tell you how many times I've had to enter passwords constantly for kids just so they can download a free software or game, even if Apple is worried about not letting kids get hands on some of the more adult oriented apps, it could simply add authentication on apps like those..
 
It's a dangerous default setting that needed to be explained (or changed).

You'd think that Apple, after the lawsuits, should make the default behavior be to always ask. Understandable, but they need to let childless loners change the setting to the current 15-minute window or never-ask.

I would choose the latter. If someone is buying apps or DLC on my device they have physically overpowered me and I have other things to worry about.

The current implementation seems like extra annoyance for all around. Parents who want to lock things back up can't do so, and the childless loners have to deal with one extra unnecessary popup.

This is a solution intended for Apple's lawyers only.
 
Very ignorant to call the parents dumb, lazy, and not caring. Not many ppl knew of this 15min window including non parents. It' not in a instruction booklet about and it doesn't say anything about it when entering your password. A lot of us only know about it from this forum and news of parents getting screwed by the problem. Hell I didn't even know android had a 30 min window until read about in a post in this thread.
 
Why should I have assumed he had an open 15 minute buying period without my consent??? Why would I talk to him about something I wasn't even aware he was able to do? :mad:

It's a stupid default setting that consumers were not made aware of. Apple really should change the default setting, but the new alert is better than what we had before.

IT'S NOT MY JOB TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. You're the parent. You had the kid. You figure it out.
 
Android got it right by not asking for authentication for free apps/games, that's how it should be done.

Why would Google even consider hampering the ability to shove targeted advertising at your kids via free games? ;)
 
Actually this is not a good message. It says go to Restrictions in Settings. In reality you have to go to General in Settings and then to Restrictions. For those that don't know this will be a frustrating message in my opinion.
That's a good point. Maybe the settings button takes you to general.
 
Why would Google even consider hampering the ability to shove targeted advertising at your kids via free games? ;)

Who cares, I certainly don't because the games are free, the developers have to make their money some how.

Also not all free games have ads anyway, the important point is installing apps shouldn't require authentication unless specified by the user, It's just so simple to implement and I just don't see why Apple hasn't chosen to go that route.

I don't see it adding complexity, in fact I'd make things a lot simpler, paid apps should always require authentication, but there's no reason to for free ones..
 
IT'S NOT MY JOB TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. You're the parent. You had the kid. You figure it out.

Your argument is absurd. The consumer is not to blame for a policy like this. Parents were burned not from neglect but because a default setting they were not made aware of put them in a dangerous situation.

Imagine you get your next credit card bill and there's an additional $1,000 in charges from Home Depot. You call them up in a rage. "Sorry sir, once we run your credit card and you sign for it it's available to anyone else's purchase for the next 15 minutes. You really should have looked into our policy."

I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

But hey, since there are parents and kids involved, it's easy to point the finger, right? Parents shoulda known! :rolleyes:
 
Your argument is absurd. The consumer is not to blame for a policy like this. Parents were burned not from neglect but because a default setting they were not made aware of put them in a dangerous situation.

Imagine you get your next credit card bill and there's an additional $1,000 in charges from Home Depot. You call them up in a rage. "Sorry sir, once we run your credit card and you sign for it it's available to anyone else's purchase for the next 15 minutes. You really should have looked into our policy."

I'm sure you'd be fine with that.

But hey, since there are parents and kids involved, it's easy to point the finger, right? Parents shoulda known! :rolleyes:

You can't really believe that those two examples are similar, right? And since when is an in app purchase a "dangerous" situation? You're incredibly dramatic.
 
You can't really believe that those two examples are similar, right?

Please explain to me how they're not? You authorized a purchase, not knowing that subsequent purchases would be automatically authorized for a period of 15 minutes. Seems like exactly the same thing to me.
 
Sigh, to those whining about kids. Kids are great, and I want one at some point, It's stupid to see people acting like having kids is a mistake, funny the lengths people go to justify every action Apple makes..

Calm down, there's nothing wrong with a bit of critique, Apple isn't going to bankrupt if some people disagree on the forums...
 
This is a win for lazy un-involved parents everywhere.

If you read into the issue a little more you'd know how wrong you are. But I guess it's easier to just label parents as lazy and un-involved. Good job.

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If I hand a child a device worth hundreds of dollars, I'm going to watch them while they use it. If a parent can't be bothered to watch their kid then why is that anyone else's fault?

You'd watch them use the device? The entire time? Why? Man, too bad you don't want kids because you'd be the best, most attentive parent ever! :rolleyes:
 
This is a win for lazy un-involved parents everywhere.

Not everyone is a gadget fan or iOS guru. Not everyone monitors MacRumors, ArsTechnica and Engadget 20 times a day. It is unreasonable for a parent to know that if they enter a password for an individual purchase that their kids may be able to freely buy anything for the next 15 minutes. I'm a developer and follow the tech news, and even I could be caught off-guard.
 
Just to chime in about this-I have a Nokia Lumia 928. I have a son, but he's only 8 months and doesn't play with my phone. However, my friends kids will sometimes ask if I can help them play Angry Birds, etc, since they know/noticed I know more games than their parents. So I have "Kid's Corner" set up on my phone. It's a special separate screen that lets you add games and apps that are restricted, perfect for when a little one asks to see the games on your phone.

While in "Kid's Corner", all IAP is disabled, and if you try to buy anything, a popup appears that says you have to exit Kids Corner for any purchases. You can't exit Kids Corner without my password.

We were at lunch with my nephew, and he asked if he could see my phone. I opened Kids Corner for him, and he was delighted he could "play" Angry Birds GO! (I put it in quotations because an almost 3-year old doesn't entirely understand the game, but he loved even checking out the animations). My brother-in-law was sitting next to him to help him, and my nephew tried to select a bird that was an IAP. Immediately, my brother-in-law tried to stop him, but I told them not to worry since they were blocked by Kids Corner. But this was literally a 2-second tap that would have purchased a .99 bird. If my brother-in-law had blinked he would have missed his son tapping "buy", and if this had been part of that 15-minute iOS window, I would have been the proud owner of a new Angry Birds Cart.

My point in this rambling story is that some IAPs are as quick as tapping "Buy", and unless you literally hover over a kid and never blink, there's a chance they'll slip one past you. My nephew is a smart kid, but there's no way he understood what he did. There was a button, it looked like if he clicked the button he got to be his favorite bird. So he tried to hit the button.

I think there's a huge difference between IAPs that are clearly a paid purchase and ones like in Angry Birds GO!, where everything blends together and little players can flip from an item that's included to one that's a purchase by scrolling. Obviously, you would hope parents might notice before it reaches thousands of dollars, but I could very easily see a child playing under the supervision of a parent and still buying stuff without anyone realizing. If the dollar price is designed to look graphically like the in-game currency, it might slip right by someone who doesn't even realize there's an IAP in the game.

So that's my .02 as a fairly new parent, but the "techy aunt/friend" for my nephew and friends kids. It's difficult to watch a kid every second they're on a game, and the games conspire to make real money purchases look and feel like fake money purchases...it's an unfortunate combo that leads to these kinds of issues.

Now, if you missed that your kid racked up $1,000 worth of IAPs, the kid either went wild on an especially sneaky game or there's no supervision. But small amounts can easily slip by, and I'm willing to bet for all the "ZOMG MY KID BLEW $10,000 ON CANDY CRUSH" headlines, there's a slew of parents who spent $2-3 extra because they didn't realize there was a window where IAPs didn't require a password. For $3 it's easier to shrug and say "Whoops, my bad-need to lock this down better" but the game companies make a fair bit extra from all those "little" mistakes.
 
Guys, please don't assume that parents that let their kids some play-time on an iPod or iPad is a bad parent. As with everything, moderation is the key word. I for one, don't want my kids to be technologically-illiterate...

That warning is good, because it now puts the responsibility squarely on the parents, so bad parents can't come back at Apple.

As a parent, I do permit some iOS play time, but it needs to be merited (good grades, behaviour, etc) and it is very time restricted.

Cheers!
 
It's fun to think of how negligent parents will read that warning…

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let me guess, another MR poster who is actually closer in age and mentality to the child, rather than the parent. If you are not a parent you have no business commenting in any threads related to parenting.
 
IT'S NOT MY JOB TO ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. You're the parent. You had the kid. You figure it out.

Yep, that's not your job. But it seems your job is to lob idiotic verbal grenades that aren't based in reality. You are entitled to your opinion, which, in my opinion, is better served being kept to yourself. But that's just my opinion. It seem obvious you don't have kids (at least I hope not). Fact is, you can't monitor someone 24/7.

Also that 15 minute window can be abused by friends, co-workers, crazy ex-whatever, etc. If the 15 minute window is there, what does it hurt to let people know about it before something goes wrong? It better indemnifies Apple and it mitigates any unwarranted purchases. Win/Win

Neither of my kids have made unapproved purchases but that doesn't mean I can't see the value in this warning message.
 
Just to chime in about this-I have a Nokia Lumia 928. I have a son, but he's only 8 months and doesn't play with my phone. However, my friends kids will sometimes ask if I can help them play Angry Birds, etc, since they know/noticed I know more games than their parents. So I have "Kid's Corner" set up on my phone. It's a special separate screen that lets you add games and apps that are restricted, perfect for when a little one asks to see the games on your phone.

While in "Kid's Corner", all IAP is disabled, and if you try to buy anything, a popup appears that says you have to exit Kids Corner for any purchases. You can't exit Kids Corner without my password.

We were at lunch with my nephew, and he asked if he could see my phone. I opened Kids Corner for him, and he was delighted he could "play" Angry Birds GO! (I put it in quotations because an almost 3-year old doesn't entirely understand the game, but he loved even checking out the animations). My brother-in-law was sitting next to him to help him, and my nephew tried to select a bird that was an IAP. Immediately, my brother-in-law tried to stop him, but I told them not to worry since they were blocked by Kids Corner. But this was literally a 2-second tap that would have purchased a .99 bird. If my brother-in-law had blinked he would have missed his son tapping "buy", and if this had been part of that 15-minute iOS window, I would have been the proud owner of a new Angry Birds Cart.

My point in this rambling story is that some IAPs are as quick as tapping "Buy", and unless you literally hover over a kid and never blink, there's a chance they'll slip one past you. My nephew is a smart kid, but there's no way he understood what he did. There was a button, it looked like if he clicked the button he got to be his favorite bird. So he tried to hit the button.

I think there's a huge difference between IAPs that are clearly a paid purchase and ones like in Angry Birds GO!, where everything blends together and little players can flip from an item that's included to one that's a purchase by scrolling. Obviously, you would hope parents might notice before it reaches thousands of dollars, but I could very easily see a child playing under the supervision of a parent and still buying stuff without anyone realizing. If the dollar price is designed to look graphically like the in-game currency, it might slip right by someone who doesn't even realize there's an IAP in the game.

So that's my .02 as a fairly new parent, but the "techy aunt/friend" for my nephew and friends kids. It's difficult to watch a kid every second they're on a game, and the games conspire to make real money purchases look and feel like fake money purchases...it's an unfortunate combo that leads to these kinds of issues.

Now, if you missed that your kid racked up $1,000 worth of IAPs, the kid either went wild on an especially sneaky game or there's no supervision. But small amounts can easily slip by, and I'm willing to bet for all the "ZOMG MY KID BLEW $10,000 ON CANDY CRUSH" headlines, there's a slew of parents who spent $2-3 extra because they didn't realize there was a window where IAPs didn't require a password. For $3 it's easier to shrug and say "Whoops, my bad-need to lock this down better" but the game companies make a fair bit extra from all those "little" mistakes.

thanks for explaining all that. And the long description was necessary in this thread as at least the majority of the posters in this thread are NOT parents and have no clue about actual "parenting."
 
This is a win for lazy un-involved parents everywhere.

You assume a scenario of only 4 year olds who are given a phone as a digital distraction.

It could just as easily be clueless tech parents and scheming 9 year olds. :)
 
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