Maybe they should just include something in the setup screens:
Is this your first iPxxx?
Are you scared of technology?
Are you scared of technology?
and then address settings from there.
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iOS 7.1 Includes Warning Message About 15-Minute In-App Purchase Window
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Maybe they should just include something in the setup screens:
and then address settings from there.
If you read into the issue a little more you'd know how wrong you are. But I guess it's easier to just label parents as lazy and un-involved. Good job.
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You'd watch them use the device? The entire time? Why? Man, too bad you don't want kids because you'd be the best, most attentive parent ever!
1st response: I'm pretty sure he only labeled the lazy and uninvolved parents thusly. And they certainly exist.
2nd response: I did. Until they were about 4. Then it dropped off to a mere 98%. We didn't have iPads then, but plenty of dangerous or costly items on the planet at the time.
Pretty tired of people giving a pass to lousy parents. We've been doing it in the USA for 3 generations, now. That's why some of our problems exist. Like the entitlement so often discussed here on MR.
WRONG... they don't to appeal to anyone..because they'll buy anything from apple. Apple don't need people...people need Apple.
You know why Google posts keep coming ? to all those Apple bashes, because Apple does it wrong ... That's why
Come on...... Apple is clearly copying Google Android app store here.....
Can't Apple just "mind their own business" and do something else, instead of piggy-backing on Androids features and what-not ?
First, was the flash-light in iOS7, and now this ?
ok,, they may not not say Google's i dunno, but we all know it from Android..
This "dribs-and-drabs" that Apple is slowly seeping into iOS7, basically tell me one thing..
"Apple's lost the way" Pave the way please..... the password is there for a reason ...... this can mean 15 minutes of kids going nuts again with ranking up money from in-app purchases....
didn't Apple learn anything ? If your going to introduce a *security* feature like requiring you password, don't make it *less secure" by allowing open access without a password.. That's just stupid... Make it stick..
The finger-print sensor is better even, at least it requires something 'unique'
People may have been complaing, but so what, they just don't care enough about security to understand.
Come on...... Apple is clearly copying Google Android app store here.....
Can't Apple just "mind their own business" and do something else, instead of piggy-backing on Androids features and what-not ?
First, was the flash-light in iOS7, and now this ?
ok,, they may not not say Google's i dunno, but we all know it from Android..
This "dribs-and-drabs" that Apple is slowly seeping into iOS7, basically tell me one thing..
"Apple's lost the way" Pave the way please..... the password is there for a reason ...... this can mean 15 minutes of kids going nuts again with ranking up money from in-app purchases....
didn't Apple learn anything ? If your going to introduce a *security* feature like requiring you password, don't make it *less secure" by allowing open access without a password.. That's just stupid... Make it stick..The finger-print sensor is better even, at least it requires something 'unique'
People may have been complaing, but so what, they just don't care enough about security to understand.
Ah, I see, certainly an "out there" view of the world.
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Ah, adding a warning is copying from Google and not innovating. Yeah, got it. Another "out there" view of the world it would appear.You know why Google posts keep coming ? to all those Apple bashes, because Apple does it wrong ... That's why
Come on...... Apple is clearly copying Google Android app store here.....
Can't Apple just "mind their own business" and do something else, instead of piggy-backing on Androids features and what-not ?
First, was the flash-light in iOS7, and now this ?
ok,, they may not not say Google's i dunno, but we all know it from Android..
This "dribs-and-drabs" that Apple is slowly seeping into iOS7, basically tell me one thing..
"Apple's lost the way" Pave the way please..... the password is there for a reason ...... this can mean 15 minutes of kids going nuts again with ranking up money from in-app purchases....
The finger-print sensor is better even, at least it requires something 'unique'
Perhaps..it's out there view because you refuse to believe it. If look at the company as a whole..it's true...it is what it is. deal with it.
It's what it is in some people's eyes, it doesn't mean that it's reality though. But, no worries, I'm definitely "dealing with it" just fine.
IT IS what it is...apparently people refuse to believe...oh well...you shouldn't worry about it.
Well, Google has had this have they not ?
You do have to agree that the 15 minute window "decreases" security, not "increases" it ? From my stand-point, any decreasing is a bad idea.. Like Microsoft, you introduce something secure, then go back and slowly introduce weak point/bypasses like this..
But that's just me... I would have really happier if Apple has just left it be.
Two options: -
Either a) you go by the password or
(b bu the finger print..
I'm sure they do this now anyway, so whats there to change ? Nothing.. It's just they want to make it more "easier" for the user, and more "easier" for kids too to rack up another load of $$$ on the parents account...
no thank Apple.that's not inventing from my stand point.
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Adding an explanatory warning about an already existing feature to increase awareness of it is neither more or less secure or can really be attributed to copying something, it's just more user friendly as it serves to inform the user of something.Well, Google has had this have they not ?
You do have to agree that the 15 minute window "decreases" security, not "increases" it ? From my stand-point, any decreaing is a bad idea..
But that's just me... I would have really happier if Apple has just left it be.
Two options: -
Either a) you go by the password or
(b bu the finger print..
I'm sure they do this now anyway, so whats there to change ? Nothing.. It's just they want to make it more "easier" for the user, and more "easier" for kids too to rack up another load of $$$ on the parents account...
Please explain the point, then. Most of this thread is rambling gibberish. Ex: I can't understand a single one of the posts between our earlier posts and right now.
And yes. At the rate we're going, our species will be extinct in 100 years. What a joke this society is. We don't teach people how to take care of their lives, whether themselves, children, anything. You and I probably agree more than disagree on related points. But our posts haven't exactly been "to the point", either. So, I don't know what either of us is saying.
So you spend every minute of free time with your kids, watching everything they do? Do they feel smothered?
Anyone who would find it hard to make 2 steps in the settings in order to find the Restrictions setting shouldn't even have a phone and should stick with the stone age!! Geee, I seriously can't think of anyone being that daft!!!
DISCLAIMER: Single with no Kids but regularly have to help parents with sorting our their iOS stuff for their KIDS
I personally think allowing the in App Purchases a 15 minute window is kinda a step back from the constantly requiring a password and it adds another thing for parents to worry about, unless you are somewhat tech savy and setup restrictions then this is a problem for most parents not just those lazy inattentive parents a previous poster referred to.
Devils Advocate time:
This is the reason why the terms and conditions exist (unfortunately lawyers are involved and they are really really wordy) for instance the statements below are extracted from the early parts of the Australian Terms and Conditions for iTunes accounts (the same bits exist mostly word for word in the US version too), so if every user actually read the first bit of T&Cs then they would know all about the purchase window and also how to enable restrictions.
So please encourage people to at least skim the T&Cs because it will save us all from headaches!!
This iTunes Service is available for individuals aged 13 years or older. If you are 13 or older but under the age of 18, you should review this Agreement with your parent or guardian to make sure that you and your parent or guardian understand it. Additional age restrictions apply for products containing objectionable material.
As a registered user of the iTunes Service, you may establish an account ("Account"). Don't reveal your Account information to anyone else.
In order to purchase and download iTunes Products from the iTunes Services, you must enter your Apple ID and password or use Touch ID to authenticate your Account for purchases. Once you have authenticated your Account using your Apple ID and password, you will not need to authenticate again for fifteen minutes on your computer or iOS Device; you can choose to allow your computer or Apple TV to remember your password to remain authenticated. During this time, you will be able to purchase and download iTunes Products without re-entering your password. You can turn off the ability to make iTunes Product purchases or change settings to require a password for every transaction by adjusting the settings on your computer, iOS Device, or Apple TV. For more information, please see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1904 and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4213.
I personally think allowing the in App Purchases a 15 minute window is kinda a step back from the constantly requiring a password and it adds another thing for parents to worry about, unless you are somewhat tech savy and setup restrictions then this is a problem for most parents not just those lazy inattentive parents a previous poster referred to.
Devils Advocate time:
This is the reason why the terms and conditions exist (unfortunately lawyers are involved and they are really really wordy) for instance the statements below are extracted from the early parts of the Australian Terms and Conditions for iTunes accounts (the same bits exist mostly word for word in the US version too), so if every user actually read the first bit of T&Cs then they would know all about the purchase window and also how to enable restrictions.
So please encourage people to at least skim the T&Cs because it will save us all from headaches!!
This iTunes Service is available for individuals aged 13 years or older. If you are 13 or older but under the age of 18, you should review this Agreement with your parent or guardian to make sure that you and your parent or guardian understand it. Additional age restrictions apply for products containing objectionable material.
As a registered user of the iTunes Service, you may establish an account ("Account"). Don't reveal your Account information to anyone else.
In order to purchase and download iTunes Products from the iTunes Services, you must enter your Apple ID and password or use Touch ID to authenticate your Account for purchases. Once you have authenticated your Account using your Apple ID and password, you will not need to authenticate again for fifteen minutes on your computer or iOS Device; you can choose to allow your computer or Apple TV to remember your password to remain authenticated. During this time, you will be able to purchase and download iTunes Products without re-entering your password. You can turn off the ability to make iTunes Product purchases or change settings to require a password for every transaction by adjusting the settings on your computer, iOS Device, or Apple TV. For more information, please see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1904 and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4213.
Nothing in a company's terms and conditions override consumer law. Here are the UK OFT's principles on games that companies will be expected to follow:
http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/consumer-enforcement/oft1519.pdf
http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/consumer-enforcement/oft1519.pdf
Nothing I posted suggested that, I can't comment for other countries but at least in Australia Apple includes documentation with its products quite clearly stating that nothing in its terms override consumer law and they also have pamphlets from the Australian Consume and Competition Commission at the Genius Bar for people to read so they are aware of their rights. (It's great to live in a country that actually makes laws to protect consumers)
In regards to the UK stuff you posted it looks Apple is already in compliance with most if not all of that. Most of those points are directed at the developers of so called free to play games (which we all know is a load of crap most of the time) as the as the App Store clearly states in the app description (at the very top mind you) that an app offers in app purchases, sure it might be nice to put an indicator on the items so you don't have to click on them as a lot of people just tap free than install and don't bother to actually read the description but I doubt that would make a huge difference to some people (adults here) as the old saying goes a fool and his money are easily separated.
The big thing we all need to do is assist in the education of parents how to make their devices kid friendly, I was just pointing out it's all in the T&Cs but it seems nobody ever bothers to read despite agreeing to them.
Sounds pretty dangerous to me when your kid can run up a couple of thousand on your credit card without you knowing what's happening or that they could even do that. To some people that is a hell of a lot of money that is not easily come by, so yes, to them its pretty dramatic.
I don't have kids but I still think that the whole 15 minute window as a default is ridiculous. The default should be password every time and be configurable otherwise. However I also think that you shouldn't be sitting your kids in front of these devices until they understand what they are doing has consequences so the people saying their 2 year old has run up a big bill, I have no sympathy for.
Wow, could you be any more condescending? It's clear you've never had children before if you think a) parents are lazy and b) it's so easy to watch every little thing your children do every single moment.
People should pay attention to their children, yes, but that doesn't mean a company shouldn't have safeguards in place as a precaution. It's that sort of thinking that companies are infallible and need no regulation that gets us into these problems.
Because, if history has shown us anything, it's that people just love dictators, right?
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Here's a wild idea -- how about you don't hand your child a piece of technology without knowing how the device works, or let your child play a game without first trying it yourself and making sure it's 1.) Age appropriate and 2.) Doesn't have features that could get the kid into trouble.
Of course, that would be called "Parenting" and that's hard. Much easier to whine to Uncle Sam and have the federal government take care of things for you.
Of course, that would be called "Parenting" and that's hard. Much easier to whine to Uncle Sam and have the federal government take care of things for you.
As a parent, I am neither lazy or un-involved and therefore not offended by such a statement nor compelled to argue it or respond defensively. I do believe there are people in the world that probably fit such a description.
However, before handing my kids a cell phone, portable music player, smartphone, tablet, mobile computing device, etc, the first thing I have always done is set restrictions and access controls.
In the case of restricting iTunes purchasing:
- set a restriction passcode that only parents or guardians know
- disable in-app purchases
- set "Require password" to "immediately"
- don't give them the password to their iTunes account until they are old enough to provide their own credit card
No - Apple is responsible as well because the apps are on its store.
One of the key points the OFT makes is that it isn't just the mechanical process of buying things at stake here - companies that target children and induce them to pressure parents are likely to be held in breach of consumer law.
M.
lol.. One of the reasons why people like and trust Apple is because it is supposed to be/feel safe. There should always be a password when purchasing or at lease incorporate the finger scan to your purchase but perhaps Apple would be missing out on their 30% commission off sale.
Some people complain about irresponsible parents but I guess those people always have their 100% attention and eyes to what their kids are doing.. congrats lol. Someday you will be part of an outrageous bill from a shady app developer or corporate and maybe then you will have a different opinion.