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Also consider, one of these. Just use your own microUSB. Not as elegant as a dedicated cable but cheaper overall to replace when the strain relief fails.

I wish someone made the reverse of that. I've looked everywhere but it seems no one is making such a thing. I still have a bunch of old android devices floating around and it would be nice if I could throw away all the cables/chargers for them and just have a few adapters scattered about.

Also, people keep saying microUSB is "the standard." Real world experience is that the only thing it is "standard" for android device charging. As I almost never use android anymore it suddenly stood out to me that nothing else in my life uses that teeny ridiculous non-tapered sharp edged asymmetric insanity. What brilliant committee thought that would be a good idea?!?
 
http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=112&cp_id=11213&cs_id=1083101&p_id=10374&seq=1&format=2

$12, vs $20 for the Apple official ones. Significant savings. Plus you can get them in black too, which looks nicer (in my opinion).

If you buy $5 cables you will get what you pay for. Inconsistent quality and non-durable cables.

Σ(●゚д゚●) ... Does this website ship to Canada? Seems everything is more expensive in Canada. Lighting cable here cost 25 dollars.
 
I wish someone made the reverse of that. I've looked everywhere but it seems no one is making such a thing. I still have a bunch of old android devices floating around and it would be nice if I could throw away all the cables/chargers for them and just have a few adapters scattered about.

Also, people keep saying microUSB is "the standard." Real world experience is that the only thing it is "standard" for android device charging. As I almost never use android anymore it suddenly stood out to me that nothing else in my life uses that teeny ridiculous non-tapered sharp edged asymmetric insanity. What brilliant committee thought that would be a good idea?!?

There are actually reverse adaptors. I've seen them in electronics shops in the EU and in China. No idea on quality. You could also use one of these.

Like it nor not, microUSB is prevalent beyond non Apple devices. 2.5" drives, portable batteries, etc. The connector is horrible, but what can you do?
 
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There are actually reverse adaptors. I've seen them in electronics shops in the EU and in China. No idea on quality. You could also use one of these.

Like it nor not, microUSB is prevalent beyond non Apple devices. 2.5" drives, portable batteries, etc. The connector is horrible, but what can you do?


Thanks for letting me know they exist, I should be able to find one somewhere eventually then. I'll keep looking.
 
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in all of my life, i've never used better and more easier to use cable to charge my phone. not even those old nokia cables. musb connectors are light years behind. what about that click you feel when you plug in your lightning connector? that alone is worth at least 10 bucks to me, especially when you consider the fact that i have never bought a cable seperately, i always keep and take care of the one that came with my phone.

im sure ALL the problems people have with lightning cables are manufacturing defects, not design failures

What about all the failures of the OEM cables due to fraying to corroding connections? How do you explain that about this alleged god-like cable?


and who cares? only you wishin to pinch 10-20 bucks

and yeah, apple is nurishing its next golden goose, the lightning connector!

I don't use an iPhone and thus don't have to suffer the misery that is a proprietary cable. I'm looking at the big picture, not just thinking about myself.

you bought a premium phone for a premium price. act like it. or have you been saving 3 years for a phone?

lol, get off your elitist horse. Almost every other flagship device out there costs the same as the iphone. ~$700 for the competing flagship models. And again, I don't use an iphone due to it's closed garden nature. I can't stand the how closed iOS is so it can't fit my needs.

exactly. people cheap out on everything. thats why we have so many pos products on the market. maybe government should mandate the prices so manufacturers compete on design and functionality not the price.

lol what? So you're basically opposed to the free market and capitalism?

what about this?

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD820ZM/A/lightning-to-micro-usb-adapter

sorry, but a have to say this. i have irrational need to both actively and passively disrespect people who care only about the price. price doesnt tell you anything about anything other than the information can you afford it or not. its like a condition for you to have it.

Again, something else that needs to be carried around with me at all times. That's an inconvenience. I am a minimalist wiht my pockets: Phone, wallet, keys. No room in there for extra cables or adapters. I can easily afford lightning cables, but I choose not to use the devices associated with them. And because of this choice I don't have to incur the inconvenience of a propriety cable. Understand that moneybags?

you bought 600 bucks phone, yet you open a thread and are willing to have discussion over 20 bucks. G E T A G R I P

You spent $600 on a phone and are basically saying "yes my overlord apple, please let me spend hundreds more because I am so elite and will pay for the privilege of owning one of your godly devices no matter the cost."

Seems like you need a reality check.

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I wish someone made the reverse of that. I've looked everywhere but it seems no one is making such a thing. I still have a bunch of old android devices floating around and it would be nice if I could throw away all the cables/chargers for them and just have a few adapters scattered about.

Also, people keep saying microUSB is "the standard." Real world experience is that the only thing it is "standard" for android device charging. As I almost never use android anymore it suddenly stood out to me that nothing else in my life uses that teeny ridiculous non-tapered sharp edged asymmetric insanity. What brilliant committee thought that would be a good idea?!?

Huh? MicroUSB is used for Android, BlackBerry, Windows Phone, Hard Drives, Digital Cameras, Memory card readers, basically any computer accessory and mobile device. To state that it is just for Android is very uninformed.
 
The official Apple cables are made like crap. There is an abundance of evidence around this issue, including on Apple's own website in the reviews. This causes people to have to replace cables frequently due to failure. That's an overhead that should NOT be needed.

Apple engineered the Lightning cable to capitalize more on the accessory market (along with having a smaller footprint), no other reason. The old 30-PIN connector was able to be duplicated by any manufacturer without issue yet everyone seems to conveniently forget about that. The issue isn't with the cables being "bad" for your device, it's that the manufacturers didn't pay the royalties for the privilege of manufacturing a certified cable so that it won't cause your device to display a warning message or just reject the cable altogether. Spending ~$700+ on a phone should not mean you should feel compelled to drop another $100+ on cables for it.

This is an iphone, not a car or hardly even worth a fraction of one. And besides, people cheap out on gas and tires everyday.

As for carrying a cable with me everywhere... Why would I ever inconvenience myself like that? I have micro-USB cables everywhere I go. Even if I'm in a non-familiar place, Micro-USB is the standard of all devices but Apple so cables are always at the ready wherever you are.

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lol. The problem was with you, not the cable. USB cables have a different feel to each side of it so you can feel which way is "right side up". Funny how this became such a huge "problem" after the introduction of the Lightning cable.

USB 3.1 will introduce a cable that works both way to negate this "problem".

Your wrong, this has nothing to do with royalties, people can scammed and electrocuted by these cables, not to mention that both the old 30-pin cheap cables and now Lighting cables have all their peripherals taken out, those 5 dollar things you buy can basically only do data-transference and nothing else. You pay for quality with apple because the peripherals they put into lighting can do alot more than just backup your data and get songs on your iPhone.
 
in all of my life, i've never used better and more easier to use cable to charge my phone. not even those old nokia cables. musb connectors are light years behind. what about that click you feel when you plug in your lightning connector? that alone is worth at least 10 bucks to me, especially when you consider the fact that i have never bought a cable seperately, i always keep and take care of the one that came with my phone.

im sure ALL the problems people have with lightning cables are manufacturing defects, not design failures

If a manufacturing defect is so ludicrously widespead then it is a design failure. The materials choices for Apple cables are rubbish. This is undeniable at this point.

I get no quality feeling from the Lightning connector - it's significantly inferior in fact to the 30 pin connector due to lack of a clip. I have to put up with the ****** MFi programme, which means I can't buy a dock that fits a phone with a bumper, because Apple prohibits it. I have to pay a huge additional percentage tax due to nothing more than Apple's hubris.

And for what? A cable that has a lifespan of six months because they're made of absolutely appallingly bad quality plastic.
 
Your wrong, this has nothing to do with royalties, people can scammed and electrocuted by these cables, not to mention that both the old 30-pin cheap cables and now Lighting cables have all their peripherals taken out, those 5 dollar things you buy can basically only do data-transference and nothing else. You pay for quality with apple because the peripherals they put into lighting can do alot more than just backup your data and get songs on your iPhone.

I could only understand about half of what you said.

If a manufacturing defect is so ludicrously widespead then it is a design failure. The materials choices for Apple cables are rubbish. This is undeniable at this point.

I get no quality feeling from the Lightning connector - it's significantly inferior in fact to the 30 pin connector due to lack of a clip. I have to put up with the ****** MFi programme, which means I can't buy a dock that fits a phone with a bumper, because Apple prohibits it. I have to pay a huge additional percentage tax due to nothing more than Apple's hubris.

And for what? A cable that has a lifespan of six months because they're made of absolutely appallingly bad quality plastic.

Bingo.
 
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If a manufacturing defect is so ludicrously widespead then it is a design failure. The materials choices for Apple cables are rubbish. This is undeniable at this point.



I get no quality feeling from the Lightning connector - it's significantly inferior in fact to the 30 pin connector due to lack of a clip. I have to put up with the ****** MFi programme, which means I can't buy a dock that fits a phone with a bumper, because Apple prohibits it. I have to pay a huge additional percentage tax due to nothing more than Apple's hubris.



And for what? A cable that has a lifespan of six months because they're made of absolutely appallingly bad quality plastic.


Your the man. I didn't realise for one second that you worked in the telecommunication sector, this obviously means that you know everything about cables. I give up you win
 
Just bought myself a third party lightning cable for my 5s as I really do not want to fork out for a genuine Apple one.

However to my amazement it doesn't work with the error message "This cable or accessory is not certified and may not work reliable with this iPhone" message and nothing happens.

I've done a Google search and there are/were some workarounds for this, however none I've tired work.

Is there anyone else with a third-party cable and experiencing this?

Hmm. I only get the message and nothing.. maybe I got a dud cable.
If you bought an Apple one, you'd have a warranty.

There are tons of certified cables on Amazon and the like for $10-12. Goodluck on your next try.
 
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in my perfect world would be no junk. not in food, not in medicine, not in technology, not in cars, not in anything. multiple manufacturers, all increasing efficiency of their r&d investment not cutting corners in the race to the bottom.

imagine the increases in r&d investment. a billion galaxy s5 and iphone 5s sold... and guess what? overall increase in user experience. suddenly everybody has a good phone. isnt that worth something?

tell me, how do you design a phone thats purposely bad so it can be cheap. what kind of human you must be? did you try galaxy young for example? how can anybody sell that phone as practically new in 2014?? and they are basically making NO MONEY with it!!

and this is not a communism theory. government regulations of economy are absolutely necessary, we're all witness to that. when you leave people to do what they want, they'll only go after profit. so you need to direct them to a greater good while they are still making money. you need to 'govern'. this is a small modification to the invisible hand theory by adam smith.

they just need to set the minimal price, like they did with the minimal wage. the rest is up on competition, just like in the minimal wage case.

or do you think price dumping should also be allowed?

and yeah, this too, people in my world would be much better educated ;)

a bunch of capitalists, nobody knows what capitalism is. sounds like a meme

Call your communism/socialism whatever you want, dude. Put all the lipstick on that pig you want. If it walks like a duck . . . well, you know the rest. Government interference does not help foster ingenuity; it stymies it.

And remember, Adam Smith's Invisible Hand Theory was all about capitalism WITHOUT government interference. That through the free market, with little to no interference from Big Brother, an individual's (and a corporation's) desire to maximize profits can, as a byproduct (rather than as a direct goal or requirement) help benefit society as a whole.

And you call your idea of government regulation a small modification of Adam Smith's theory? That's like saying the theory that the sun orbits the earth was just a small modification of the theory that the earth actually orbits the sun. While the central characters in those theories are the same, the roles of each of those characters is markedly different, wouldn't you say?

And who gets to determine what the "junk" is that can no longer go in technology, cars, medicine or food? Are you the final arbiter of what that "junk" is? Is it the government? Who in the government is in charge of making that decision? And I'm sure you've heard the old adage that "one man's junk is another man's treasure". In other words, something that is "junk" by your definition may be absolutely indispensable to someone else. Be careful, that "junk" may someday be the ability to get on the internet from your phone or send a message to your family/friends. Or it may that Big Brother decides that air conditioners and radios in cars are "junk" items that us serfs don't need. Be careful giving out that much power to government. Historically it hasn't worked out very well for those societies.

Free market capitalism, with all of its "evil" profit motives and ego-centric desires to compete to be the best in a given profession or industry, allows the cream of the crop to rise to the top. It is the best economic model this world has ever known. And one of the many great things about a successful free market economy is that society as a whole shares in the benefits.

To address the topic of this thread, if there was no third-party cable support and hence no third-party manufacturers willing to enter the fray, my guess is that Apple's smart cable would cost a good bit more than $20 and likely would be made with very little quality control. Why? Because Apple would have no competition.

And if these third-party companies make cables that don't work as advertised, that information will become common knowledge amongst consumers and no one will buy the product. No sales/no profit/bye-bye company. Up to the plate steps other companies willing to compete to take the now-defunct company's place in line. The successful ones will continue on while the unsuccessful ones will die out. There are some things that Darwin got right.;)

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Sorry. Just saw your note after making my post. Feel free to move it as you see fit. I'm done with the political discourse anyway. Again, sorry for derailing the thread.
 
Call your communism/socialism whatever you want, dude. Put all the lipstick on that pig you want. If it walks like a duck . . . well, you know the rest. Government interference does not help foster ingenuity; it stymies it.

And remember, Adam Smith's Invisible Hand Theory was all about capitalism WITHOUT government interference. That through the free market, with little to no interference from Big Brother, an individual's (and a corporation's) desire to maximize profits can, as a byproduct (rather than as a direct goal or requirement) help benefit society as a whole.

And you call your idea of government regulation a small modification of Adam Smith's theory? That's like saying the theory that the sun orbits the earth was just a small modification of the theory that the earth actually orbits the sun. While the central characters in those theories are the same, the roles of each of those characters is markedly different, wouldn't you say?

And who gets to determine what the "junk" is that can no longer go in technology, cars, medicine or food? Are you the final arbiter of what that "junk" is? Is it the government? Who in the government is in charge of making that decision? And I'm sure you've heard the old adage that "one man's junk is another man's treasure". In other words, something that is "junk" by your definition may be absolutely indispensable to someone else. Be careful, that "junk" may someday be the ability to get on the internet from your phone or send a message to your family/friends. Or it may that Big Brother decides that air conditioners and radios in cars are "junk" items that us serfs don't need. Be careful giving out that much power to government. Historically it hasn't worked out very well for those societies.

Free market capitalism, with all of its "evil" profit motives and ego-centric desires to compete to be the best in a given profession or industry, allows the cream of the crop to rise to the top. It is the best economic model this world has ever known. And one of the many great things about a successful free market economy is that society as a whole shares in the benefits.

To address the topic of this thread, if there was no third-party cable support and hence no third-party manufacturers willing to enter the fray, my guess is that Apple's smart cable would cost a good bit more than $20 and likely would be made with very little quality control. Why? Because Apple would have no competition.

And if these third-party companies make cables that don't work as advertised, that information will become common knowledge amongst consumers and no one will buy the product. No sales/no profit/bye-bye company. Up to the plate steps other companies willing to compete to take the now-defunct company's place in line. The successful ones will continue on while the unsuccessful ones will die out. There are some things that Darwin got right.;)

you misunderstood. its simple, no phone cheaper than 100 bucks. the rest is up to the competitors. this is the answer to the question how to reduce the races to the bottom which slow down progress simply by lowering the amount of money circulating in that particular industry.

but its not about political system. its about a fact that YOU dont see the race to the bottom as a problem. i see one, and a huge one. its in a way the biggest problem of human society right now. we care only about money and 'newness' and flash. no quality anymore.
 
If you bought an Apple one, you'd have a warranty.

There are tons of certified cables on Amazon and the like for $10-12. Goodluck on your next try.

Anything bought from a company in my country legally comes with a 12 month warranty. So I can get my money back.

I've bought plenty of the old 30 pin cables for cheap off dx.com and they're still working fine. I based my previous experience with third-party/cheap cables to be fine and not necessary to pay $30nzd for an Apple genuine.

I learnt my lesson so I'll just grab a genuine cable when I'm next out at a mall.
 
I've bought plenty of the old 30 pin cables for cheap off dx.com and they're still working fine. I based my previous experience with third-party/cheap cables to be fine and not necessary to pay $30nzd for an Apple genuine.

I learnt my lesson so I'll just grab a genuine cable when I'm next out at a mall.

There have been many lemon 30-pin cables on DX.com too. I've ordered for example 10 of http://web.archive.org/web/20130826...a-cable-for-iphone-4-white-100cm-length-48590 (Wayback Machine link as the cable has later been removed from DX.com because of the atrocious quality) and almost all of them turned out to be useless.

However, there are indeed excellent ones - for rather cheap. I myself swear by the ones at http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/third-party-pre-ipad4-charger-cable-tests-last-some-good-cables - I have many of them and they're significantly better than Apple's original cables, at almost one-tenth the price.
 
He's right - microUSB requires a lot more attention upon insertion than Lightning. And Qi is also painfully missing from all iOS devices. It's working wonderfully with my Nexus 7 2013.

Yeah you're right it does, the next iteration of micro USB will solve that. It's not like a big thing like he making it or to be.
 
I've used one....

All of the iDevices in my family are powered by cheapo eBay cables.

They work just fine for syncing and charging.

We tend to keep the headphones/official lightning cable sealed so that when we sell it on ebay, it has better resale value and the item ends for a higher-than-normal price.

I paid I believe £4/$6.60 for FIVE 2m lightning cables. They all work 100% to this day, and we never get the "This isn't certified for iPhone" error.

So you don't necessarily need to buy the genuine one's. They're a complete rip-off. Ebay FTW!
 
Yeah you're right it does, the next iteration of micro USB will solve that. It's not like a big thing like he making it or to be.
must be some kind of a problem or they wouldn't be finally changing it after so many years
 
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