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General iOS 7 Beta 4 patches evasi0n 7 jailbreak

XboxMySocks said:
You can't blame him at all, because that exploit wasn't used in iOS 7's jailbreak and iH8snow has nothing to do with evasi0n.

Read up on some facts before you run your mouth off.
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He's saying that the exploit was burned in his iOS 6.1.3/6.1.4 jailbreak. He's right though. iH8Sn0w used an exploit that was around for about 2 years now. It was used to jailbreak an obsolete iOS 6 firmware. What's better, an unknown (to Apple) exploit so hackers can always get in and explore iOS for further exploits, or use it for an old firmware that most people dont use? On top of that, I think it was only used to untether A5+ devices.

Not 100% sure about that last sentence but the fact remains, he used the exploit for a firmware that is on about, I think at most, 20% of the iOS devices. Kinda shortsighted but I'm sure the people who hate iOS 7 are happy. Oh well. Probably will just have to wait longer for a jailbreak in the future (with hopefully 7.1 being the exception but that's anyone's guess).
 
I'm going to hold off on the JB until 7.1 and hope the evad3rs team has another exploit for that. The improvements (especially in stability) are worth more to me than the JB at this point, and I'd rather not go through the hassle of jail breaking now, restoring for 7.1 and then rejailbreaking when that's out.
 
darricksailo said:
what does that have to do with the iOS 7 jailbreak? ih8sn0w and winocm played no role in the iOS 7 jailbreak
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BumpyFlatline said:
He's saying that the exploit was burned in his iOS 6.1.3/6.1.4 jailbreak. He's right though. iH8Sn0w used an exploit that was around for about 2 years now. It was used to jailbreak an obsolete iOS 6 firmware. I think it was used to untether A5+ devices.

Not 100% sure about that last sentence but the fact remains, he used the exploit for a firmware that is on about, I think at most, 20% of the iOS devices. Kinda shortsighted but I'm sure the people who hate iOS 7 are happy. Oh well. Probably will just have to wait longer for a jailbreak in the future (with hopefully 7.1 being the exception but that's anyone's guess).
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Agreed. What BumpyFlatline said.

Perhaps you, along with XboxMySocks may want to read up yourselves:

http://www.idesigntimes.com/article...h8sn0w-winocm-pod2g-tweets-exploits-burnt.htm

They burned a very valuable exploit that they had for years:

"They talked a lot of sh-- about us, but now they've burnt valuable stuff just for 6.1.x ... nobody looked at their jailbreak tool, but they burnt something allowing root on all devices without any effort. Something that jailbreakers were aware of for years now. Something that's usually the entry point for jailbreak research on new iOS versions and devices. Root code execution. Something that usually requires multiple exploits to achieve."
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They screwed over future potential exploits, including anything 7.x to build a 6.1.x jailbreak, which they had two other means to do so. Now, that exploit they burned for 6.1.x was fixed in 7.1b4.

So I ask again: how much can you blame iH8sn0w for this one, as they burned the biggest exploit they've had for the past couple of years..?

BL.
 
bradl said:
Agreed. What BumpyFlatline said.

Perhaps you, along with XboxMySocks may want to read up yourselves:

http://www.idesigntimes.com/article...h8sn0w-winocm-pod2g-tweets-exploits-burnt.htm

They burned a very valuable exploit that they had for years:



They screwed over future potential exploits, including anything 7.x to build a 6.1.x jailbreak, which they had two other means to do so. Now, that patch they burned for 6.1.x was fixed in 7.1b4.

So I ask again: how much can you blame iH8sn0w for this one, as they burned the biggest exploit they've had for the past couple of years..?

BL.
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The second I learned about this news I could not believe how shortsighted that decision was.

The good news is, Pod2g said himself, future jailbreaks are not impossible now. The bad news is, they'll just take longer to create now without this useful exploit that they've been using for the past couple years.
 
bradl said:
Agreed. What BumpyFlatline said.

Perhaps you, along with XboxMySocks may want to read up yourselves:

http://www.idesigntimes.com/article...h8sn0w-winocm-pod2g-tweets-exploits-burnt.htm

They burned a very valuable exploit that they had for years:
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yes, i'm aware of what happened but their exploits had nothing to do with the iOS 7 jailbreak


They screwed over future potential exploits, including anything 7.x to build a 6.1.x jailbreak, which they had two other means to do so. Now, that exploit they burned for 6.1.x was fixed in 7.1b4.

So I ask again: how much can you blame iH8sn0w for this one, as they burned the biggest exploit they've had for the past couple of years..?

BL.
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although that may be true that future jailbreaks might become harder now, there'll always be people for and against what they did

i personally feel that one of the primary points why they released it was because of all the pressure and hate tweet/messages/etc they kept getting to stop delaying the release (just because they admitted that they were working on the jailbreak). either way, it always seems to be a lose-lose situation for the jailbreak hackers for some reason

but the question why they chose to burn that exploit? in their defense, they didn't know https://twitter.com/iH8sn0w/status/417752615896633345

from what i know, the vulnerabilities patched in 7.1 beta 4 was for the evasi0n jailbreak but i think it's still too early for anything to really be confirmed

me personally? i'm not really for or against what happened
 
BumpyFlatline said:
He's saying that the exploit was burned in his iOS 6.1.3/6.1.4 jailbreak. He's right though. iH8Sn0w used an exploit that was around for about 2 years now. It was used to jailbreak an obsolete iOS 6 firmware. What's better, an unknown (to Apple) exploit so hackers can always get in and explore iOS for further exploits, or use it for an old firmware that most people dont use? On top of that, I think it was only used to untether A5+ devices.

Not 100% sure about that last sentence but the fact remains, he used the exploit for a firmware that is on about, I think at most, 20% of the iOS devices. Kinda shortsighted but I'm sure the people who hate iOS 7 are happy. Oh well. Probably will just have to wait longer for a jailbreak in the future (with hopefully 7.1 being the exception but that's anyone's guess).
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Lmao.

To quote a smart man, "Normally I don't make tools for the general public, and rather wait for the dev team to do it. But guys, whats up with waiting until 3.1? That isn't how the game is played. We release, Apple fixes, we find new holes. It isn't worth waiting because you might have the 'last' hole in the iPhone. What last hole...this isn't golf. I'll find a new one next week."
 
bradl said:
So I ask again: how much can you blame iH8sn0w for this one, as they burned the biggest exploit they've had for the past couple of years..?

BL.
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So I say again: not at all. This will have no impact on iOS 7.1 jailbreak (if that's a thing any time in the near future). There is no 'last hole' or 'last exploit'. Another will be found in short time. If it hasn't already.
 
Thepoobear said:
I won't be surprised when evad3rs announce that 7.1 is jail broken.
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I will.

If it requires a lot of work/exploits and 'if' it's not out till late feb/march, wouldn't they just decide to hold off till ios 8? Didn't 6.1.3 come out in march and they didn't see the point in burning more exploits that could be used in 7? How would 7.1 -> 8 be any different if it's roughly the same timescale. Of course, as I said at the start depends on how much was/is patched.
 
XboxMySocks said:
So I say again: not at all. This will have no impact on iOS 7.1 jailbreak (if that's a thing any time in the near future). There is no 'last hole' or 'last exploit'. Another will be found in short time. If it hasn't already.
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You assume they will be found. Look at the trend for how long it took them to find exploits between IOS4 through IOS7. you will see that that time is increasing dramatically. So each exploit that they find becomes that more valuable. That means you don't waste the best ones you have while looking for others.

iH8tsn0w wasted their best one. Note that I never said 'last'. That was you putting words in to something you obviously don't know about.

But that hole absolutely did have an impact, as you obviously didn't read pod2g's interview; they wasted their best one in 6.1.x. Something that would work on nearly every device. something that generally takes MULTIPLE exploits to achieve. And they burned it.

That isn't 'no impact'. That's a huge impact, and an imbecilic thing to do; almost as imbecilic as the naivety you are showing in regards to this.

XboxMySocks said:
Read up on some facts before you run your mouth off.
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Time to practice what you preach.

Thepoobear said:
I won't be surprised when evad3rs announce that 7.1 is jail broken.
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I don't doubt that 7.1 will be jailbroken; It will just take a hell of a lot longer because their easiest exploit to get to the underlying filesystem is gone; used to supply 6.1.[3-5] a jailbreak.

BL.
 
bradl said:
You assume they will be found. Look at the trend for how long it took them to find exploits between IOS4 through IOS7. you will see that that time is increasing dramatically. So each exploit that they find becomes that more valuable. That means you don't waste the best ones you have while looking for others.

iH8tsn0w wasted their best one. Note that I never said 'last'. That was you putting words in to something you obviously don't know about.

But that hole absolutely did have an impact, as you obviously didn't read pod2g's interview; they wasted their best one in 6.1.x. Something that would work on nearly every device. something that generally takes MULTIPLE exploits to achieve. And they burned it.

That isn't 'no impact'. That's a huge impact, and an imbecilic thing to do; almost as imbecilic as the naivety you are showing in regards to this.



Time to practice what you preach.

BL.
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Ya again you don't know what you're talking about.

The reason it took Evasi0n so long to break iOS 6 is because they only started after December... it took them just over a month to do this publicly. With iOS 7 they started looking properly after the public release of the OS and had a working jailbreak a month into release - nothing was supported however, and due to many reasons JB wasn't released (and still, rather early) until December 22.

It's not getting any longer. I understand you have a very basic knowledge of what actually goes on behind the scenes. Could you even name any of the exploits that Evasi0n used?
 
6.1.3 wasn't jail broken by evad3rs because it was deemed a waste. 6.1.3 offered little more than 6.1.2.

7.0.4 is broken and in serious need of help. 7.1 fixes much of the mess that is 7.0.4 and will be jailbroken ASAP if they have the exploits to.

Also, I have faith that the jailbreakers KNEW we would desperately need 7.1. I don't think they would have thrown away all hopes for 7.1. They probably have other exploits ready to use.
 
Thepoobear said:
I won't be surprised when evad3rs announce that 7.1 is jail broken.
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I wouldn't be surprised either, didn't they get paid 1 million or something like that to release the JB? If I were the chinese company that paid that amount of money I would expect them to find something fast, it's not like they're doing it for free anymore. That's just my opinion.
 
Thepoobear said:
Maybe, maybe not. We surely have to wait for the public release of 7.1 before any new jailbrake comes out.
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There is no warranty on it.
JailBreak hackers like to be waited on us. Because they so earn much money.
I think we will wait a lot. But I hope this time coming from Geohot.
 
zamudiovsky said:
I wouldn't be surprised either, didn't they get paid 1 million or something like that to release the JB? If I were the chinese company that paid that amount of money I would expect them to find something fast, it's not like they're doing it for free anymore. That's just my opinion.
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Just hearsay...No proof of any money exchanging hands.
 
XboxMySocks said:
With iOS 7 they started looking properly after the public release of the OS and had a working jailbreak a month into release - nothing was supported however, and due to many reasons JB wasn't released (and still, rather early) until December 22.
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Wait what? Where did that come from? You have proof of this? I'm pretty sure if that was true, then the 'unexpected' release of evasion7, wouldn't have been so...unexpected? Are you saying that the evaders had a working untethered jailbreak a month into ios 7 release and just sat on it? Pretty sure they didn't...

Yes there was a jailbreak for ios 7, but it required the bootrom exploit for A4 devices and didn't really have much to do with the evaders.
 
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