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Good find. Doesn't work on an iPhone 4 (that I've tested). Going to submit a bug report.
 
well off the top of my head.

Well that's good news. Thank you for doing the legwork for folks like me. I was going to get a new iPhone, but if the 4S runs everything, I will probably wait for the 6.

I am pretty sure you won't be able to use the new AirDrop feature with your iPhone 4S. And, we still don't know about any new killer features Apple will unveil when they debut their new phone, which you will definitely not be able to use with your iPhone 4S.
 
I am pretty sure you won't be able to use the new AirDrop feature with your iPhone 4S. And, we still don't know about any new killer features Apple will unveil when they debut their new phone, which you will definitely not be able to use with your iPhone 4S.

Lack of AirDrop isn't a deal breaker for me. I'm not sure where I'd use it, given most of my contacts don't have iPhones.

That last bit could potentially sway me. No one knows what'll happen, but if it's a speed bump and fingerprint scanner, then I can wait.
 
This will really put the drama back into my prairie dogs!

(And for those who decry allowing people to digitally zoom... a device like this HAS no optical zoom, and sometimes you do want to enlarge something. If it's wrong to zoom a video, why is it OK to pinch-zoom-in on a photo you're looking at? Apple acknowledged the potential poor quality by limiting the amount of zoom, which is good, but these cameras have a lot of resolution--more than the screen you're playing back on can even view, very often--so there's room to zoom and still look fine. There are plenty of cases where a digital zoom can actually show something more clearly than not zooming at all. In other cases, you're free not to zoom if you don't want.)
 
I don't get the concept of digital zoom... you'd be better just cropping the image, or moving closer, rather than degrading the quality.

For still photos at the full quality of the sensor, you're absolutely right.

But for video, where you're not using every pixel of the sensor as it is, it makes sense. The sensor on the iPhone 5 is 3264 pixels wide. That's 1.7 times the width of the 1920 pixels of its maximum video resolution. That means you could reasonably zoom on 2x without losing any measurable detail (when compressed to the level of H.264 it compresses - if you could get raw video out, then 1.7x is about it.)

What I'm curious about is the claim that you could zoom video "before hitting record" previously - I was unaware of this, is it an iPhone 5-only thing?
 
What would be cool is if they're adding this feature in time for the iPhone 5S, which could take advantage of the zoom feature without quality loss.
 
I would like to have square video. It is easier to hold the camera tall to take video but the video looks weird when you play it on your AppleTV or Mac / PC at home.

Also the filters should have been fun filters like the T2 effect on a prior generation iPod Nano and the security camera filter and some other fun effects.
 
I don't get the concept of digital zoom... you'd be better just cropping the image, or moving closer, rather than degrading the quality.

Nowadays the image sensor is much larger than what is required by HD video - this allows you to crop the sensor to perform a zoom without loosing any quality up until you reach pixel for pixel on the sensor. The diminutive amount of zoom Apple has added to the camera app suggests this is exactly what they are doing.
 
As noted by iDownloadBlog, the first beta for iOS 7 allows users to use zoom functionality while recording a video in the redesigned Camera app.

Or as noted by me two days ago: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/17407363/

And on Twitter three days ago: https://twitter.com/aacduke/status/344619365762752512

Where it was probably read by Christian Zibreg, who wrote the iDownloadBlog story, because he follows me on Twitter. Funny.

Anyway, it's weird how it's just now making the rounds. Guess I should have formally sent it in. It's funny because I had purchased Videon about a week ago and it does the same thing! Which is probably why I tested for this feature right away. :D
 
Relax! I can't imagine anyone who wants professional quality video or photo using mobile phone camera. It is mostly used for fun and as such it does serve its purpose nicely! If video fps, zoom, image quality and and all that is your concern then you should go for the big boys (Cannon/Nikon)

Really, Ask that newspaper in NY that fired it's entire photography staff and told the reporters to user their iPhones for photos on their articles. They'll really enjoy the fact that they can now use video because it can zoom. :eek:
 
Where's the 60fps video?
Good question. iThink 60 FPS allows 30 FPS HDR video capture, which requires probably 10-Bit H.264 encoding. If iDevices support 10-Bit H.264, then Mavericks should support 10-Bit H.264 encoded files. I know that the Intel IGPs in Sandy Bridge or newer Macs support 10-Bit H.264 decoding in hardware. It is just a GPU/IGP driver problem.

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The video quality in the example still seems to be less than than the RED Scarlet. C'mon apple, you were supposed to fix this with software!

(I kid, I kid... Don't throw rocks yet!)
I hope your virtual home has armored Windows. ;)
 
Really, Ask that newspaper in NY that fired it's entire photography staff and told the reporters to user their iPhones for photos on their articles. They'll really enjoy the fact that they can now use video because it can zoom. :eek:

Yes, I heard that. It still does not make it right decision (cutting costs most likely) You will have to wait and see how well that is taken by readers! Time will tell how they will like the mediocre quality photos.

And let's just be realistic here! Mobile phones cameras (no matter how good they are) are not aimed to professional videographers/photographers.
 
Proof of Higher Mega Pixel iPhone 5s?

I don't get the concept of digital zoom... you'd be better just cropping the image, or moving closer, rather than degrading the quality.

This seems like a major advantage of a high megapixel camera, other than improved image quality. Rather than zooming optically, if the captured pixels are greater than the stored pixels you can just zoom digitally without losing resolution.
 
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I don't get the concept of digital zoom... you'd be better just cropping the image, or moving closer, rather than degrading the quality.

On an image, it's pointless, but on video, it's a lot easier than editing afterwards. I'd still try my hardest to not use it on video.

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This seems like a major advantage of a high megapixel camera, other than improved image quality. Rather than zooming optically, if the captured pixels are greater than the stored pixels you can just zoom digitally without losing resolution.

What he's saying is that on images, there is zero use for digital zoom. All you're doing is cropping the image beforehand instead of cropping it after, which means you permanently lose the rest of the image. And you could even crop then use some pixel prediction.
 
This isn't digital zoom. A full1080P HD image is only 2 mega pixels. for the wide shot it uses the full 8 megapixel sensor and downscales as you zoom in it uses less of the sensor but still more than 2MP. the furthest zoom I imagine will be the central 2 MP of the sensor. If you zoomed in after that you would lose quality.

Canon did this on their 600D DSLR but removed it in the 650, don't know why it was useful.

I'm pretty sure you're wrong. What you're saying would make sense if video mode used all 8 MP in the first place. But if you notice, when you switch to video mode, the camera is much more zoomed in--that's because video mode on the iPhone (at least the iPhone 4S does this...I actually don't know about the iPhone 5) only uses a fraction of the sensor (I think it's because it's too much information to process trying to take video with all 8 million pixels and downsizing to 1080p).
So yeah...I don't think it works how you're thinking. I think it already starts off using the 2 MP in the center for video mode, and any zoom after that is actually digital zoom.
 
Am I the only one who hates the new camera app? Zoomed video? Square photos? Cheesy vintage filters? I may stay on iOS 6.

im confused -- would somebody be forcing you at gunpoint to use those new features? what would stop you from just, you know, not using them? seems a lot easier to do that rather than forgo all of the new ios 7 features simply because you dont like filters or whatnot.

mighty strange thinking.

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They get in the way of my photo taking. I mean, you have to swipe from photo, to 'square', to video, where in iOS 6 you just flip the photo/video switch.

looks like its only one swipe, but id bet that even two swipes are faster than having to precisely find the video-toggle button, aim for it, hit it.

Their existence really annoys me.

you may need medicine.
 
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Well that's good news. Thank you for doing the legwork for folks like me. I was going to get a new iPhone, but if the 4S runs everything, I will probably wait for the 6.

not everything though, the 2 major things, AirDrop & Camera realtime filters dont work on iphone 4S. Leaving those i guess it should be fine running everything else. ....Oh, One more thing! Background process for all app, its a biggy, might need new hardware to run. And, one more thing, when you get notification, the respective app autoloads in the memory and its ready as soon as you swipe the notification to open them, unlike ios6 (and Early) where after swiping the notification one has to wait atleast 5-6 seconds for app to update and move forward.....please some one test it out....
 
In the midst of all this whining, as someone who visits his 9 month old baby nieces and takes videos of them multiple times a week, I'd like to say...

THIS IS AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't get the concept of digital zoom... you'd be better just cropping the image, or moving closer, rather than degrading the quality.

Digital zoom is crap on photos - in this case of video it seems to work well. The sensor is 8MP - much higher than 1920x1080. The "default" zoom uses the full frame. As you zoom in it seems to just decrease the portion of the sensor used, so at full zoom you are just using the very center 1920x1080 rectangle - no quality loss.
 
After calculating the depixaltion degradation rate and the inverse square of the repixaltion compilation I decided to test this theoretical equation. I booted up My iPhone 5, took a video using the aforementioned and highly debated "zoom" function. I then viewed this video on my 27" iMac.

Technical Conclusion: Looks pretty damn spiffy:p
 
It's really great, if every recorded pixel can always correspond to one real pixel on the sensor, at any zoom level, since the sensor has so many more pixels than the lower resolution HD video. All you do then is just choose which pixels you want to use to create an image, without having to upscale and interpolate. In a way, this means that without a complex, mechanical zoom lens, you can still effectively zoom in without losing any detail. Another great way to replace heavy and expensive mechanical equipment with software.

I know the article is about zooming WHILE recording, and that you could always zoom before recording, but I just realized that the video wasn't being upscaled, but rather sensor pixels were being reassigned (if I understand correctly…).
 
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