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iOS 7 Motion Sickness

Merkyworks said:
This thread is just ridiculous :rolleyes:

To anyone who feels like they get motion sickness from using iOS7 there is a simple solution...don't use it and move on to another product. I can guaranty you the amount of people that experience any sort of motion sickness from iOS7 makes up probably 0.001% of Apples customer base. To think they are going to change something for this small a customer base is laughable. Example; when Apple killed off the 17" MacBook Pro people just couldn't believe this and stated things like "Apple will lose so much business ect...." but the thing is the 17" MBP only made up like 3% of MBP sales, so in the end it didn't hurt Apple one little bit.
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Given the amount of money Apple spends on Accessibility, I'd be shocked if there's not something in iOS 7.1 to reduce the effect of this.
 
thisMRguy said:
Cannot believe how many insensitive idiots there are in this thread, Id hate to be your partner/wife/husband/gf/bf or even friends/family, seems like its all about 'me' and whats good for me. Because it doesn't affect me, it shouldn't affect others type of mentality.

Weather its a 1 in a million case or 1 in 100, There ARE medical conditions that affect people physically and/or mentally, So many strange illnesses that we never hear about but they DO exist.
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If you know that you have a medical condition that maybe affected by a screen change like video animation.
Doesn't it make sense to check out anything new on a screen in a store before installing on a personal device? Similar to people with known allergies avoiding the cause and researching. That is called taking personal responsibility, previous ownership doesn't matter. Medical limitations suck and managing them is a challenge.
 
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I don't know why I am still surprised at the vitriol people are willing to spew at another human being from behind a computer screen, things that you would never consider saying to someone's face. For all those who feel the need to deride people for having a legitimate physiological issue, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

My wife updated two days ago, after having a 4S for two years. She immediately started feeling nauseous and developed a migraine after iOS 7 installed. I have been very happy with Apple products up until this point, but the response we got from customer support was the support-ese version of "sucks to be you". Essentially what Apple has done is tried to exert total control over the device, then refused to support their customers when they have an intractable issue. They might as well have bricked the phone. Frankly, I was so appalled by the response that I will not be buying another Apple product again. There was no need to prevent people from downgrading, but by shutting off that capability, and refusing to do anything when a customer has issues, they have shown that the customer-oriented business I bought into no longer exists. I don't expect other companies to be any better, but at least with another phone I'm not prevented from rooting and fixing the problem myself. I will be voting with my dollars, and I suggest anyone else who has a similar support experience do the same.

As a side note, Verizon is currently offering $210 for a 4S trade-in in good condition. This should help others who are having the same issue transition to another phone, as my wife had to do. If you do trade it in I suggest you go to the store and try each of the candidate phones, as both the Moto X and HTC One had similar (though far less severe) motion-sickness effects.
 
burgman said:
If you know that you have a medical condition that maybe affected by a screen change like video animation.
Doesn't it make sense to check out anything new on a screen in a store before installing on a personal device? Similar to people with known allergies avoiding the cause and researching. That is called taking personal responsibility, previous ownership doesn't matter. Medical limitations suck and managing them is a challenge.
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Yes, that is generally true.

However, as I and others have stated, we had ZERO issues with our previous iphones and ios versions. I have never had an issue with a phone or tablet before. I don't normally suffer motion sickness symptoms. But there is something in the ios7 animation that is genuinely affecting me and make me feel ill. I believe this is something that needs to be brought to Apple's attention and I have good faith they will address it soon, as they have with other Accessibility options.
 
burgman said:
If you know that you have a medical condition that maybe affected by a screen change like video animation.
Doesn't it make sense to check out anything new on a screen in a store before installing on a personal device? Similar to people with known allergies avoiding the cause and researching. That is called taking personal responsibility, previous ownership doesn't matter. Medical limitations suck and managing them is a challenge.
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Burgman, I do suffer from motion-related sensitivity and I know enough to avoid 3D movies, FPS video games, and fishing trips on boats, because I've experienced those problems before in my life.

Never before have I experienced motion related problems with a hand-held phone, so there was no precedent for me to check it out before upgrading to IOS7. There are many animations throughout IOS6 and these cause no problems whatsoever. I believe this issue is being ridiculed because there has been no real precedent with prior phones, especially one as popular as the iPhone.

I myself would find it hard to believe a 4" screen could cause this type of headaches, if you had told me a week ago, before I upgraded. I might have been the one on these forums ridiculing others ;)

I even saw all the preview videos of the new IOS7 many times on Apple's website and Youtube and was excited. But it's different seeing a video with a few animations sprinkled about vs. holding the phone in your own hand and opening/closing apps in the real world during the course of a day.

Now that I know that such motion-related issues can occur with a phone, I will be extremely careful in the future.

However, in the meanwhile, I have $500 invested in my iPhone as does everyone else and I would like to continue to use it. I like everything about it, so I am not ready to throw it away, as others have suggested. All Apple has to do is add a simple option to enable/disable it in the ACCESSIBILITY menu. Seems simple enough, doesn't it?? I'm uncertain as to why so many people seem offended by this simple suggestion.
 
applegirlz said:
Yes exactly!

And I have already emailed apple at:

accessibility@apple.com

Here is the generic response I received, but hopefully they're actually reading these emails. If you haven't already, can everyone email them? Hundreds of emails on this topic would be hard to ignore! :)

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[417761] IOS 7 animation causing nausea and dizzyness and headaches

Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate the feedback and will pass this on to the appropriate people for their consideration.

Apple Accessibility

Please also visit our sites
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/
http://www.apple.com/support/accessibility/
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Thanks applegirlz! I too submitted an email two days ago and just got the same "generic" response. :)

Everyone who is affected, please do the same and send a quick email to:

accessibility@apple.com

Posting on this forum helps raise awareness, but the best way to get Apple to listen is to email them directly.

I'm optimistic that we'll get this change implemented, since they already have a "Reduce Motion" option within the Accessibility menu. Maybe they were already thinking of this and planning to add this option in the coming update?

And the description states: "Reduce the motion of the user interface, including the parallax effect of icons and alerts." So sounds like there's additional features coming, doesn't it?

I read an article that state that there are already over 200 million devices that were upgraded to IOS 7, with 300 million more not upgraded yet. Even if this motion-sensitive issue only affects a small fraction of people, say 1%, we're still talking about over 2 million people.

Realistically, I'd say 1% is a conservative estimate and that there are many more people than that who have trouble watching 3D movies and can't read in the car that are potentially experiencing discomfort and dizzyness.

So I hope Apple understands this can affect millions of users and implements the disable option quickly.

I encourage you to send those emails! Fingers crossed... :)
 
Despite the media reporting it as rampant, I'm not experiencing vertigo while using iOS 7. Neither do my mother, father and my sister who own iDevices running iOS 7.
 
adder7712 said:
Despite the media reporting it as rampant, I'm not experiencing vertigo while using iOS 7. Neither do my mother, father and my sister who own iDevices running iOS 7.
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I don't think the media is reporting it as rampant, that would definitely be an exaggeration. My personal guess-timate is that it affects 5% of the population to varying degrees (which is still millions of users).

As stated many times, if you and your family and friends are not affected, that's wonderful - consider yourselves lucky! You are in the 95%.

However, based on feedback on this forum and other forums, it does affect quite a few people, most of whom had zero problems before IOS 7.
 
whocaresit said:
iOS 7 works well for normal people.

However, I agree, the animations need to be faster.
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I think you meant to say that it basically works without issues of this type for most people...which doesn't really do much of anything for those who are experiencing issues of this type.
 
I get sick if I read in a car...heck I'll be ready to barf if I turn my head to talk to someone in a moving car. Can't do spinning rides, and roller coaster have started making me sick. But I'm not at all affected by the phone.

Just curious for those of you that are affects...how quickly does it happen? Are you opening and closing apps in rapid succession? I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of it. I know with my motion sickness gets worse as the activity continues, but the quickness at which app open doesn't impact me at all. If it went in for a minute, I may be hurling!
 
blackjackmark said:
I get sick if I read in a car...heck I'll be ready to barf if I turn my head to talk to someone in a moving car. Can't do spinning rides, and roller coaster have started making me sick. But I'm not at all affected by the phone.

Just curious for those of you that are affects...how quickly does it happen? Are you opening and closing apps in rapid succession? I'm just trying to understand the mechanics of it. I know with my motion sickness gets worse as the activity continues, but the quickness at which app open doesn't impact me at all. If it went in for a minute, I may be hurling!
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Blackjackmark, I think it's due to different people having different levels of sensitivity to these motions. There is no one answer that applies to everyone.

There are some people with no motion-sensitivity otherwise who are having problems with it, and others like yourself, who are the complete opposite.

But the fact that this is being reported by many people over several forums means this is a real issue.

For me personally, I downloaded IOS 7 last week and played around with the new software for an hour. Initially, I didn't feel anything, maybe because I was so excited. But after about 30 minutes of normal browsing and reading emails and such, I started to feel some dizzyness and nausea. I realized it was due the apps flying in and out, like I was going in and out of a tunnel.

It progressed to the point that I turned off my phone and didn't look at it for a few hours. But still I had headaches. Even when I woke up the next morning, I still felt it...

Now it's to the point where if I accidentally catch a glimpse of the animation even once or twice, the dizzy feeling comes back immediately.

I know it sounds completely silly, but I can't stand looking at my phone any more.
 
Apple really need to provide a way to turn off these animations. Motion sickness inducing or not, I don't want to wait for an animation to finish when I press the home button for example. I just want to get right to it.

Also, I have the same problem with OS X since 10.7, when Apple removed the ability to turn off animations in the terminal. However, luckily there is a 3rd party software called TotalSpaces, which turns off all Mission Control or Spaces animations. I could almost not use OS X without that software (as I switch spaces hundreds of times a day).
 
There's another good forum thread on the Apple Support Communities website:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23023747#23023747

And it looks like it's getting a little more media attention:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/25/4...ons-causing-reports-of-severe-motion-sickness

Sad to say, but most of the posts in the comments section are as expected I suppose -- people in the 95% (who don't experience motion-sensitivity problems) are all cracking jokes and ridiculing the issue and claiming that we're just a bunch of liars and losers who like to whine and complain about everything. :confused:

The irony is, they are the ones acting like immature children on a playground, thinking it's "cool" to make fun of others who are different and may be genuinely having problems...

It's just a matter of time, I hope, before this all gets validated and Apple acknowledges the issue and provides an option.
 
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burgerking2 said:
There's another good forum thread on the Apple Support Communities website:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/23023747#23023747

And it looks like it's getting a little more media attention:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/25/4...ons-causing-reports-of-severe-motion-sickness

Sad to say, but most of the posts in the comments section are as expected I suppose -- people in the 95% (who don't experience motion-sensitivity problems) are all cracking jokes and ridiculing the issue and claiming that we're just a bunch of liars and losers who like to whine and complain about everything. :confused:

The irony is, they are the ones acting like immature children on a playground, thinking it's "cool" to make fun of others who are different and may be genuinely having problems...

It's just a matter of time, I hope, before this all gets validated and Apple acknowledges the issue and provides an option.
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Yeah, unfortunately far too many ignorant people (one way or another) in life, and even more so online.
 
I've learned enough reading this thread that I'll be waiting a good while to update to OS7. I already have balance issues+ other symptoms, so I figure why even possibly make it worse by adding new challenges? :rolleyes:


I was waiting for the new iPad, but even have begun rethinking that; might just as well get a refurbed current version. Although I'll have a chat with my all-things-Apple consultant first.
 
Are you freaking serious! You've got to be kidding me. Youre not even supposed to stare at the home screen it just helps launch apps
 
Daria said:
I've learned enough reading this thread that I'll be waiting a good while to update to OS7. I already have balance issues+ other symptoms, so I figure why even possibly make it worse by adding new challenges? :rolleyes:

I was waiting for the new iPad, but even have begun rethinking that; might just as well get a refurbed current version. Although I'll have a chat with my all-things-Apple consultant first.
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Daria, do not upgrade, but I encourage you to try it out first for yourself. Go to an Apple store or borrow a friend's iPhone with IOS 7 for a bit. Most people will know within 10 minutes whether these animations cause problems for them...
 
Virginaustralia said:
Are you freaking serious! You've got to be kidding me. Youre not even supposed to stare at the home screen it just helps launch apps
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Yes, we're serious. If you don't have this problem, why comment in this thread to just ridicule those of us that do? Would you walk into an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting and make fun of people who have a drinking problem??
 
I really hope theres no limit for the size of your ignore list because this thread is really starting to make it huge
 
Daveoc64 said:
Given the amount of money Apple spends on Accessibility, I'd be shocked if there's not something in iOS 7.1 to reduce the effect of this.
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Exactly. I work for a university and regularly deal with the folks in charge of accessibility on campus and work with students/staff with disabilities regularly. They've commented more than once that Apple is leaps and bounds ahead of anyone else when it comes to accessibility. They take it much more seriously than most other companies. It might not be in 7.1 but it will be addressed, though likely without much fanfare.
 
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I guess my only question is, do you have issues with it if you use the "Reduce Motion" option in accessibility? I personally don't experience this issue so I'm not sure what exactly is causing it. It's a lack of understanding that leads me to what may seem like rude comments. Instead of just saying it makes me sick, I wanna know what about it. I apologize if it's rude, I just don't understand what is actually causing the sickening effects and whether the already available reduce motion option under accessibility fixes the issues that some are having with it.

With that said, would speeding up the animations make a difference if it has to do with the "genie"-esque zoom effect? Thanks for your patience
 
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