iOS 7 Now on 73% of Devices, But Adoption Rates 'Much Slower' Than iOS 6

[mr.datsun]

I like the freshness and new electric icons but once you're in legibility is a big problem.

Seems to me that iOS and OS X have both gone down a suspect route with regards clarity and contrast of interface elements and text.

OS X is low contrast. Interface elements have lost crispness, the edges and controls getting less and less distinct, lower and lower contrast. Harder to use since Snow Leopard.

iOS7. Control and HCi element outlines have gone. Safari's address bar has all but disappeared and iOS 7 Settings the navigation buttons are now just text and not as clear as they were. It might look cool but it's bad HCI design. Something Apple once led the way in.

is anyone on the design team over 40? Don't they understand what happens to people's sight as they age?

I want cool functional usability not just predictable but less usable designer coolness. Jony, hands off our Operating Systems, please. It's not your expertise

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It's appalling that users cannot downgrade once they realise that an iOS is not for them. Truly cr*p. One in the eye to their customers.

 

[sebastian...]

Here's hoping the next ios - ios8 - will be even flatter. It will look even more beautiful and modern

something like this :

 

[fiveainone]

I absolutely looove iOS 7. It's everything I've been asking for since iOS 5. Not 100% in love with the details of the icons, but overall I like it. The functionality and animations/transitions however, exactly how I want it.

I'ts perfect on my 5s, but there's no way I'm slowing down my 4s and iPad 3 with iOS7.

 

[iChrist]

Probably not. The 5s sells for $100 more than the 5c, and probably costs about $10-20 more to make.

Metal body, 64bit processor, M7 chip, fingerprint etc... all adds up to $20 in parts?

Thanks for making everyone on this forum laugh.

Wow

 

[KPOM]

Metal body, 64bit processor, M7 chip, fingerprint etc... all adds up to $20 in parts?

Thanks for making everyone on this forum laugh.

Wow

I didn't say it cost $20 more to develop. But yes, the actual marginal part cost probably isn't that much more. The A7 is made on the same manufacturing process as the A6. The M7 is an off-the-shelf chip. Aluminum is cheap. The issue is that it is more difficult to work with, and so the cases can't be made as quickly as the plastic case of the 5c.

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Well... I am one of the few that did not complain about iOS 6, I did not think that it looked stale, I loved it, and that is why I'm staying with it for as long as I can... I thought it looked much better, and worked better than Android or Windows phone... Not so sure about iOS 7....

Had they simply added the Control Center, 64-bit support, etc. to iOS 7 and did not remove the skeumorphism, I'd have still upgraded. However, there were a lot of people saying the look needed a refresh.

 

[iChrist]

I like the freshness and new electric icons but once you're in legibility is a big problem.

Seems to me that iOS and OS X have both gone down a suspect route with regards clarity and contrast of interface elements and text.

OS X is low contrast. Interface elements have lost crispness, the edges and controls getting less and less distinct, lower and lower contrast. Harder to use since Snow Leopard.

iOS7. Control and HCi element outlines have gone. Safari's address bar has all but disappeared and iOS 7 Settings the navigation buttons are now just text and not as clear as they were. It might look cool but it's bad HCI design. Something Apple once led the way in.

is anyone on the design team over 40? Don't they understand what happens to people's sight as they age?

I want cool functional usability not just predictable but less usable designer coolness. Jony, hands off our Operating Systems, please. It's not your expertise

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It's appalling that users cannot downgrade once they realise that an iOS is not for them. Truly cr*p. One in the eye to their customers.

I'm sorry. If your'e old, how did you use the pre-retina screen? Did you age that much in 3 years?

 

[SusanK]

I'm sorry. If your'e old, how did you use the pre-retina screen? Did you age that much in 3 years?

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[Saltymac]

It is part of the Apple road we are following - give the user more features and keep OS within a small footprint. Something has to go. I miss my eye candy and some of the new "features" are more of a bother than helpful. Look at the "development" of iTunes.

 

[Cubytus]

I like the freshness and new electric icons but once you're in legibility is a big problem.

Seems to me that iOS and OS X have both gone down a suspect route with regards clarity and contrast of interface elements and text.

OS X is low contrast. Interface elements have lost crispness, the edges and controls getting less and less distinct, lower and lower contrast. Harder to use since Snow Leopard.

Now there's yet another reason I kept Snow Leopard (side from being more functional) and that I won't be upgrading to iOS 7 on my iPad 2. The overall interface of iOS 7 is so bright it hurts the eyes when one uses it in darkness.

is anyone on the design team over 40? Don't they understand what happens to people's sight as they age?

I'm not 40 yet, but still find it uncomfortable to use.

It is part of the Apple road we are following - give the user more features and keep OS within a small footprint. Something has to go. I miss my eye candy and some of the new "features" are more of a bother than helpful. Look at the "development" of iTunes.

Small footprint?? Are we talking about the same iOS here? iOS 2, 3, 4 were small footprint in the sense that even on lower hardware it performed reasonably well. Since iOS 5, and especially 6, things have been slowing down significantly. Only the latest hardware can keep up with it.

 

[dannys1]

Just to even out the hate, I love iOS7, sure its got bugs and it does need some more tweaking but considering the time it was done in, I'm mightly impressed.

Even my mum whos 68 keeps saying how much better than iOS6 it is, she loves it.

 

[kdarling]

Metal body, 64bit processor, M7 chip, fingerprint etc... all adds up to $20 in parts?

Thanks for making everyone on this forum laugh.

Wow

He seems to be close. Comparing estimated BOMs for the iPhone 5S and the iPhone 5C...

• CPU - $6 more on 5S
• Case - $8 more
• Sensors and M7 - $7 more
• Camera - $2 more

Total = $23

 

[Rad99004]

The new iOS is not done until the previous apps wont run

Why I won't upgrade to IOS 7 for my iPad.

Fruit loop color scheme. You expect me to use a kids color scheme at work?

How about a option to use the original one and others.

No backwards compatibility mode built into the OS. Should be able to run apps in a compatibility mode.

Example windows still supports XP apps.

Other wise I like some of the updates to the task switcher and quick access for WiFi.

 

[dexum175]

Good, 'cause ios 7 is hostile horrible.

 

[Builddesign]

Os7 _ fade in when you go to the app screen is not needed
Background moving thing is jittery and not need
All a drain on battery.

Siri consistently can't process my request

Everything is much slower in response time.

Maps is worse than ever
- I want to search my city with the area I zoom too and it brings me to a random country or place

Very un happy fan boy here

 

[MyMac1976]

The adoption rate would be slower if people could go back. I went from not caring about my phone to hating it.

 

[moxin]

iOS7 is great, even on my iPhone 4. It has better performance (easily closing all other apps running in the background) and battery life.
I hope they change the interface a little bit and use black instead of white everywhere (menus, buttons), or introduce themes so users can change them.
iOS 7 is impressive and i hope this helps Apple reinvent iOS 8 into a more robust and better looking mobile os.

 

[GavApple]

People!!

People Bi**hing about iOS7 being terrible, shocking or what ever else is just BORING now!! If you really do hate what and where Apple are going, LEAVE!!

And is this chart really effective? As I was under the impression that you couldn't downgrade back to iOS6 once you had upgraded. But this chart shows the number dropping day 5-6?!

 

[MyMac1976]

People Bi**hing about iOS7 being terrible, shocking or what ever else is just BORING now!! If you really do hate what and where Apple are going, LEAVE!!

And is this chart really effective? As I was under the impression that you couldn't downgrade back to iOS6 once you had upgraded. But this chart shows the number dropping day 5-6?!

This is called false dilemma a logical fallacy.

 

[gnasher729]

He seems to be close. Comparing estimated BOMs for the iPhone 5S and the iPhone 5C...

• CPU - $6 more on 5S
• Case - $8 more
• Sensors and M7 - $7 more
• Camera - $2 more

Total = $23

That said, anyone who thinks "Bill Of Manufacturing" should be anywhere close to the sales price should better never, ever, ever try to run a business.

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People Bi**hing about iOS7 being terrible, shocking or what ever else is just BORING now!! If you really do hate what and where Apple are going, LEAVE!!

And is this chart really effective? As I was under the impression that you couldn't downgrade back to iOS6 once you had upgraded. But this chart shows the number dropping day 5-6?!

They don't know how many people have installed iOS 7 vs. iOS 6. They only know how many people with iOS7 vs. iOS 6 visit certain websites, so that number _can_ go down. Of course that demonstrates that their measurements are not very accurate.

But the whole premise of this thread is weird. iOS 7 on 73% of devices when the article was published, probably on 80% of devices by now. And plenty of people hold on to their old phones that can't run iOS 7, or pass them on to someone else who keeps using them, proving that a 3GS was a good purchase back then if it is still in use by someone today.

 

[Cubytus]

Had they simply added the Control Center, 64-bit support, etc. to iOS 7 and did not remove the skeumorphism, I'd have still upgraded. However, there were a lot of people saying the look needed a refresh.

I suspect many people saying that really wanted a bit more flexible system that would better cope with tons of installed apps. It was fine when 8GB was the standard, but it's too easy to get lost on multiple home screens. But looks was one parameter Apple got right on the first or second try. It struck a balance between phone's outside, simplified design and rich UI.

iOS7 is great, even on my iPhone 4. It has better performance (easily closing all other apps running in the background) and battery life.
I hope they change the interface a little bit and use black instead of white everywhere (menus, buttons), or introduce themes so users can change them.
iOS 7 is impressive and i hope this helps Apple reinvent iOS 8 into a more robust and better looking mobile os.

I'm not to keen on black everywhere, as it would make it appear as Android.

People Bi**hing about iOS7 being terrible, shocking or what ever else is just BORING now!! If you really do hate what and where Apple are going, LEAVE!!

And is this chart really effective? As I was under the impression that you couldn't downgrade back to iOS6 once you had upgraded. But this chart shows the number dropping day 5-6?!

We have a right to be critical about our devices, don't we? It's not a matter of leaving or staying, just that, for me as I think many others, we find functional but ugly.

And no, we wouldn't complain if it was possible to downgrade.

And plenty of people hold on to their old phones that can't run iOS 7, or pass them on to someone else who keeps using them, proving that a 3GS was a good purchase back then if it is still in use by someone today.

Now that 4 generations of iPhones passed and application makers followed the evolution in computing power, I can't say that a 3GS would be a good purchase currently. Its battery life doesn't seem that good, and reactivity took a big hit with passing years.

 

[KPOM]

I suspect many people saying that really wanted a bit more flexible system that would better cope with tons of installed apps. It was fine when 8GB was the standard, but it's too easy to get lost on multiple home screens. But looks was one parameter Apple got right on the first or second try. It struck a balance between phone's outside, simplified design and rich UI.

I don't think Apple or Jony Ive view iOS 7 as the end-all-be-all. Remember, Apple constantly tweaks OS X. Turn on a Mac with 10.1 or 10.2 and it looks significantly different, even though it is broadly familiar. For that matter, even between 10.6, 10.7, and 10.8 there have been tweaks.

I think we'll see evolution of the UI in iOS 8. Remember, the iPhone is essentially released on a fixed schedule. iOS needed a lot of behind-the-scenes work that was done in iOS 7. There will be more if the rumors of the larger screen iPhone are true, but on top of that I think we'll see more refinement of the UI and elimination of many of the inconsistencies.

 

[kdarling]

That said, anyone who thinks "Bill Of Manufacturing" should be anywhere close to the sales price should better never, ever, ever try to run a business.

Yep, plus we don't know exactly what price Apple actually wholesales their phones for, which messes up calculations somewhat.

Keeping that in mind, what started the whole subthread was speculation that the iPhone 5C might have a higher profit margin than the 5S.

Using iSuppli BOM figures and a 16GB price:

• 5C - BOM $173 sold @ $549 = $376 gross = 68% gross profit margin
• 5S - BOM $199 sold @ $649 = $450 gross = 69% gross profit margin

So percentage wise, they're equivalent. Cash profit wise, the 5S grosses ~$74 more ($14 of which would go to taxes if sold in the US).

This is similar to the iPad mini, which makes the same or more profit margin (percentage wise) than its bigger brother, but something like $120 less (cash wise), IIRC.

Most analysts seem to concentrate only on the percentage.

 

[gnasher729]

Using iSuppli BOM figures and a 16GB price:

• 5C - BOM $173 sold @ $549 = $376 gross = 68% gross profit margin
• 5S - BOM $199 sold @ $649 = $450 gross = 69% gross profit margin

Just saying: That's not gross margin. Gross margin is the difference between sale price and the total cost that Apple has because you buy the phone (excluding all the cost that Apple has whether you buy it or not), so you add transport, all the cost of running the store, cost of returned items, after sales service, warranty repairs and so on and so on.

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Now that 4 generations of iPhones passed and application makers followed the evolution in computing power, I can't say that a 3GS would be a good purchase currently. Its battery life doesn't seem that good, and reactivity took a big hit with passing years.

It wouldn't except for a much lower price, but what I said was that _if_ you bought it years ago, and you are either still using it or you passed it on to someone else who is happily using it, that proves that you made a good purchase back then.

 

[appleii.c]

Yes. As I said before, you are entitled to your opinion. This is a good thing and I love hearing both sides. I never said you did. However, it seems that every time someone "complains" it is met with the same attitude as the one used for nutjobs with "the End is Near" signs. Is it really that implausible for someone to calmly, rationally not like something Apple does?

In this case, for a few of us at least, the pizza joint scenario is more like this:

You're a pizza fan. The corner joint made the best pizza you've ever eaten. The atmosphere, location, and service folks are awesome. Then suddenly, they bring in a new cook, who changes the recipe, combined some elements of Pizza Hut, Papa John's, and Domino's, but kept their old sauce recipe and now it doesn't taste the same. You recognize the flavor of the sauce you love, but everything else is not as tasty as it was for you (but it is still pizza, and you're a pizza fan). Next door, I have Domino's, and a Papa John's, and A Pizza Hut. They're all tasty, but now you realize that the pizza joint you know and love IS DEAD. You will NEVER taste that pizza again, because no one else makes it. Going next door does nothing for you, you enjoy the tastiness but it's not the same. The corner joint pizza was your favorite. There is nothing you can do about this. You cannot ask for the recipe; it's proprietary and thus unobtainable. But they still have that wonderful sauce, so you have to go back. Now with every bite of their pizza, you are hinted at what was, and what could've been. As a pizza fan (of that particular pizza joint), you are saddened, disappointed, confused, even a bit angry. It doesn't matter that you see lots new (or even old) people enjoying the "new" pizza, saying "mmm, this is better than Domino's. This sauce is AWESOME". Now you are looking for a new pizza joint, but there isn't one. You are stuck, wishing you had amnesia and never tasted their pizza in the first place.

So it is with iOS 7 for me.

Your pizza scenario is a fine example. And likely is the way iOS 7 is for you. I have absolutely no issue with that. That's a rational way of thinking. But my curiosity came from people complaining, and looking back at their post history it seems that they have the same complaints after every release. iOS5, iOS6 and not 7... And then other aspects of the phone over and over as well. If your favorite pizza joint has been continuously changing their recipe over the last 1-2 years and you have not been happy with it, why would you keep going back and giving them your money? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again. or something like that... I think it's from Texas... maybe Tennessee.

 

[absurdamerica]

Thanks. Good suggestion. I just have apple calendars - you mean MS exchange right?

Gmail uses activeSync as do some other calendar services.

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Thanks. Good suggestion. I just have apple calendars - you mean MS exchange right?

Gmail uses activeSync as do some other calendar services. Basically if your standby time never shows more than a few minutes in usage something's keeping your phone awake and actively running and you need to figure out what it is.