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Thanks Marty. I'm glad I got an email notification so I was one of the first to see your report where you once more stress how well everything runs on iOS 7. Upgrade progress bars are a very important user experience.
 
Thanks Marty. I'm glad I got an email notification so I was one of the first to see your report where you once more stress how well everything runs on iOS 7. Upgrade progress bars are a very important user experience.

You're welcome, thank you too for your constructive post in this thread. I'm really happy for you that the notification system works so well.

But now (more or less) back to the topic: who expects iOS8 to become available for iPhone 4?
 
Sorry but the iPhone 4 is still horrible with iOS7.1.1
My dad has a clean install on his, and no apps other than the system ones, yet it is still a slow and cumbersome device. The keyboard lags, web browsing is slooow and the whole thing just feels like a 6 year old pc with an install of Windows 8, which is essentially what has happened - ie the o/s is too bloated and resource hungry for the hardware. Anyone who says any different is kidding themselves. There are marginal improvements over 7.0 but all these claims that the i4 runs as well now as it did on 6.1.4 are quite frankly ridiculous.
iOS7 renders an iPhone 4 nasty and makes one seriously consider purchasing a new phone, when it ran perfectly well with iOS6.
Have you guys tried an i5 or 5S to see how slow your phones really are?

I find this stuff about how "great" Apple are for giving iOS7 to i4 users absolutely nauseating. What did you gain? Control centre and a built-in flashlight? That was worth ruining your device? The iPhone4 handled web browsing, email, apps, calls, SMS and camera duties perfectly well with iOS6. These are the functions that most people use their smartphones for. Unless you wanted the latest tech, the iPhone 4 was a perfectly usable device. Since iOS7 it is a frustrating and tiresome device which feels old and outdated. In my opinion and certainly my father's opinion, iOS7 has ruined the i4. So yeah, way to go Apple. It should never have been in the iOS7 upgrade program, and the company know it. It's a cynical way to render devices obsolete.
 
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Sorry but the iPhone 4 is still horrible with iOS7.1.1
My dad has a clean install on his, and no apps other than the system ones, yet it is still a slow and cumbersome device. The keyboard lags, web browsing is slooow and the whole thing just feels like a 6 year old pc with an install of Windows 8, which is essentially what has happened - ie the o/s is too bloated and resource hungry for the hardware. Anyone who says any different is kidding themselves. There are marginal improvements over 7.0 but all these claims that the i4 runs as well now as it did on 6.1.4 are quite frankly ridiculous.
iOS7 renders an iPhone 4 nasty and makes one seriously consider purchasing a new phone, when it ran perfectly well with iOS6.
Have you guys tried an i5 or 5S to see how slow your phones really are?

I find this stuff about how "great" Apple are for giving iOS7 to i4 users absolutely nauseating. What did you gain? Control centre and a built-in flashlight? That was worth ruining your device? The iPhone4 handled web browsing, email, apps, calls, SMS and camera duties perfectly well with iOS6. These are the functions that most people use their smartphones for. Unless you wanted the latest tech, the iPhone 4 was a perfectly usable device. Since iOS7 it is a frustrating and tiresome device which feels old and outdated. In my opinion and certainly my father's opinion, iOS7 has ruined the i4. So yeah, way to go Apple. It should never have been in the iOS7 upgrade program, and the company know it. It's a cynical way to render devices obsolete.


My son is using an iPhone 4 and the iOS 7 is running superbly on it... Him being 13, you can only imagine tons of games he has downloaded and running.... I watch him playing and messing with his iPhone 4, and I am amazed how well iOS 7 is running on it...

Perhaps, you want to change your gripe, and say that only your dad's iPhone 4 is terrible and not all of the iPhone 4's out there...
 
My son is using an iPhone 4 and the iOS 7 is running superbly on it... Him being 13, you can only imagine tons of games he has downloaded and running.... I watch him playing and messing with his iPhone 4, and I am amazed how well iOS 7 is running on it...

Perhaps, you want to change your gripe, and say that only your dad's iPhone 4 is terrible and not all of the iPhone 4's out there...

Yeah, the dissenters always have faulty hardware...
Your son maybe knows no better, and I never said that the i4 'doesn't work' with iOS7. It's just a much slower and more frustrating experience than it was whilst running iOS6. My dad knows no better, he has never had a more recent phone than the i4 but he hates it now. He is basing his opinion purely on his experiences of the same phone running iOS6 and now iOS7.

When I had a quick play with his phone it was horrible and I couldn't use a phone that slow. My i5 positively flies along in comparison.

So yeah, it's certainly subjective as to what different people are prepared to put up with, but nobody can dispute that iOS7 is *much* slower on the iPhone 4 than iOS6 used to be. If some people are able to tolerate the sluggishness then fair play to them, but they shouldn't have to.
 
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just switched from ios 6 to 7.1.1

Decided to finally make the switch today. I'm a light user. Email, text, phone, photos, podcasts, and a few news apps. All seems to be fine. Any performance decrease in these functions is negligible. I'm glad I switched, no regrets. Would recommend other to switch also. The look and feel is great. I like how the photos can be arranged by date also. Good luck and thanks to everyone for posting their experiences. Jason.
 
Yeah, the dissenters always have faulty hardware...
Your son maybe knows no better, and I never said that the i4 'doesn't work' with iOS7. It's just a much slower and more frustrating experience than it was whilst running iOS6. My dad knows no better, he has never had a more recent phone than the i4 but he hates it now. He is basing his opinion purely on his experiences of the same phone running iOS6 and now iOS7.

When I had a quick play with his phone it was horrible and I couldn't use a phone that slow. My i5 positively flies along in comparison.

So yeah, it's certainly subjective as to what different people are prepared to put up with, but nobody can dispute that iOS7 is *much* slower on the iPhone 4 than iOS6 used to be. If some people are able to tolerate the sluggishness then fair play to them, but they shouldn't have to.

I used an iPhone 4 up until 3 weeks ago, when I when I ended up with an iPhone 5- it wasn't planned and I had intended using the 4 till at least the end of the year . The 4 wasn't that much slower, while it was obviously a little stuttery at times, 7.1 fixed a lot of that. Would have no problem going back to it.

(I'm a power user as well)
 
I used an iPhone 4 up until 3 weeks ago, when I when I ended up with an iPhone 5- it wasn't planned and I had intended using the 4 till at least the end of the year . The 4 wasn't that much slower, while it was obviously a little stuttery at times, 7.1 fixed a lot of that. Would have no problem going back to it.

(I'm a power user as well)

Cripes :-/
Web browsing is nightmarishly slow on an iPhone 4 running iOS7.1.1
The i5 is night and day faster, it isn't even close.
 
my iP5 is being repaired under apple's replacement program for the sleep/wake button (and possibly other items) so i'm currently using my moms iP4. Boy do I miss my iP5. I had the iP4 before the iP5 and I don't remember it being this slow. I did a clean install with minimal apps, no pictures, no music or videos, all background disabled and it's very slow. 3G is horrible now and no point in me getting on the internet with this phone. thankfully I should have my repaired iP5 today at lunch. I'll be glad to get rid of this iP4.
 
There are so many mixed opinions that I wonder if there are two different versions of iPhone 4, one of which performs terribly and the other quite well.

On my iPhone 4 iOS 7.0 worked terribly slow, not as slow as iOS 4 on iPhone 3G, but dangerously close (even restored as new without backup!). I had to downgrade back to iOS 6. I haven't a chance to try 7.1, as I have later swiched to 5s.

The sad thing is that iPhone 4 most likely won't get iOS 8, so no possible speed refinements ahead.

If only iOS 6 still supported FaceTime...
 
But now (more or less) back to the topic: who expects iOS8 to become available for iPhone 4?

I don't forsee iOS 8 being supported on the iPhone 4. As a developer I'm actually looking forward to dropping the 4 and 4S this Septemeber witht he new OS and rumored screen sizes coming our way. I dislike developing for the 4 or 4S all together so I'm hoping support ends from Apple so I can justify my support ending as well.
 
I don't forsee iOS 8 being supported on the iPhone 4. As a developer I'm actually looking forward to dropping the 4 and 4S this Septemeber witht he new OS and rumored screen sizes coming our way. I dislike developing for the 4 or 4S all together so I'm hoping support ends from Apple so I can justify my support ending as well.

You are right: the 4 will not get iOS 8, but the 4s will.

The 4s will get iOS 8, as it and the A5-powered iPad mini and iPod touch are still sold, and Apple has always updated all devices sold at an OS announcement.

Since Apple recently started again and just stopped selling the 4 internationally, it will not receive iOS 8. If Apple did put iOS 8 on the 4, Apple would have kept selling the low-cost device internationally.
 
Well after the iOS7 debacle and my iPhone 5, I will never *ever* install a new version of iOS. Point increments if they contain a security patch yes, but not the full x.0 updates. My phone will stay with the version of iOS it ships with. Once bitten, twice shy.
 
Well after the iOS7 debacle and my iPhone 5, I will never *ever* install a new version of iOS. Point increments if they contain a security patch yes, but not the full x.0 updates. My phone will stay with the version of iOS it ships with. Once bitten, twice shy.
Unless there are some important security or other fixes that you might find pretty much necessary and the only way to get them for your device is to upgrade to a newer version where those things are fixed (like what happened with iOS 7 and the SSL and FaceTime fix).
 
Apparently Apple sold 10 million iPhone 4s's this quarter so I doubt that iOS 8 will drop the 4S.

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Cripes :-/
Web browsing is nightmarishly slow on an iPhone 4 running iOS7.1.1
The i5 is night and day faster, it isn't even close.

I have them both here now, and its really not thattt bad :p
 
It's a 5 year old device.

Tell me, what other smartphones from 2009/2010 are you aware of that run the latest operating system from their manufacturer? Or is capable of running apps the iPhone 4 does?

It's OLD. It isn't going to be lightning fast like the iPhone 5. Opening iMessage will take longer. Switching apps will take longer. Starting the phone up from boot screen will take longer.

It isn't obsolete or unusable. It's this sense of privilege everyone thinks they should have that is ruining your experience on the device. Accept it for what it is.
 
It's a 5 year old device.

Tell me, what other smartphones from 2009/2010 are you aware of that run the latest operating system from their manufacturer? Or is capable of running apps the iPhone 4 does?

It's OLD. It isn't going to be lightning fast like the iPhone 5. Opening iMessage will take longer. Switching apps will take longer. Starting the phone up from boot screen will take longer.

It isn't obsolete or unusable. It's this sense of privilege everyone thinks they should have that is ruining your experience on the device. Accept it for what it is.

Yes. I gave my iPhone 4 to my wife and it still has very acceptable performance and is very usable with the latest iOS.
 
It's a 5 year old device.

Tell me, what other smartphones from 2009/2010 are you aware of that run the latest operating system from their manufacturer? Or is capable of running apps the iPhone 4 does?

It's OLD. It isn't going to be lightning fast like the iPhone 5. Opening iMessage will take longer. Switching apps will take longer. Starting the phone up from boot screen will take longer.

It isn't obsolete or unusable. It's this sense of privilege everyone thinks they should have that is ruining your experience on the device. Accept it for what it is.
Then it should be allowed to run/remain on an OS where it performs without a performance/stability hit.
 
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