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iOS 7 really shows that iPad 3 is a trial product

I'm trying to wrap my head around this idea that the iPad 3 was a trial product. I'm not sure that people can or should even agree. My iPad 3 is plenty fast. It handles the more graphic intensive games well, it only lags in the App store (which I blame the app store), and I never have any issues with it. But hey, if the OP says so then I guess it's a trial product. :cool:
 
iCole said:
I never felt that my iPad 3 was slow. It can be sluggish sometimes in the appstore and when using the 4 finger swipe between apps, but in general, it works really fine. I love it.
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My iPad3 is perfectly adequate, but some games have rather choppy frame rates like Real Racing 3.

It still struggles a bit with the animations in iOS7b4, particularly the background parallax effect; when the effect stutters and pauses it kind of ruins it.

I don't expect the final version of iOS7 to have these problems though.

I never felt the need to upgrade to an iPad4 but I'm definitely going to an iPad5.
 
Yeah, i'm going to take a look at the iPad 5 too. But still, i'm not sure why i would need one. It doesn't have the fastest processor ever, but it's still plenty fast. And it comes with enough RAM so it is somewhat future proof. I would be disappointed tho, if iOS 7 runs like a hog.
 
sonicrobby said:
I think the beta is just a trial product. You shouldnt blame the hardware while running trial software.
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Even in iOS 6, iPad lags from time to time. You guys mocking android lag, but you guys are ok with iPad being lag. Drop frame rate during game, sluggish performance on content heavy site.

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WeegieMac said:
There are no "trial" products. That was the whole point, I was mocking Sakura's analogy.

Although I do personally think the iPad mini is a con, putting near 2 year old tech in a shiny new package? To each their own, but only Apple could pull off selling old iPad 2 innards inside a smaller package.

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As I have said here one hundred thousand times, I have sat with my (now my wife's) iPad 3 and my new iPad 4 and run the following games side by side:

Real Racing 3.
Need For Speed Most Wanted.
Infinity Blade 2.
Mass Effect.
Dead Space.
Deus Ex The Fall.
Modern Combat 4.

There is very little between the versions other than the odd graphical effect (motion blur when using nitrous on NFS was the only noticeable one) and an improved frame rate on the iPad 4. However the iPad 3 didn't run these games at 20fps and make them unplayable, they were perfectly playable. NOVA 3 is the only title which shows a real gulf between the 3 and 4 due to being able to run at full resolution and enable all effects on the iPad 4.

Now, having seen footage of Modern Combat 5 and Asphalt 8 I believe the iPad 3 will struggle to keep up with the 4 on newer titles, but they will still run in a perfectly playable manner.
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A perfect playable manner? What is your definition of playable manner. For me, a long time PC gamer, anything less than 60fps is consider to be non-playable manner. LOL..

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flottenheimer said:
Stop, stop, stop. Please.
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That's really hurt you when I say iPad 3 just a test bed for Apple? When a company suddenly discontinue something half years after and replace sometime twice fast with exactly same design, you'd wondering what is going on? Why would they replace somebody called:" perfect device" won this short of time frame. This never happened before, and probably won't happen after.

Even failure like Microsoft Surface RT never get replaced this fast.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Even in iOS 6, iPad lags from time to time. You guys mocking android lag, but you guys are ok with iPad being lag. Drop frame rate during game, sluggish performance on content heavy site.
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Whoa whoa, when did I say anything about android lag? @_@

I think you are just blaming the wrong thing here. I did not notice any lag issues with my iPad 3, but that was when the iPad 3 was released. With the release of new iPads, hardware is improved, they provide better internals, processors, RAM, etc. With that in mind, developers will create their apps and iOS to run utilizing the highest available internals. With that said, obviously apps, and new versions of iOS will, by default, run better on newer devices, but barely (depending on the generation gap).

Seeing as the iPad 3 and iPad 4 are only a few months apart, there wasnt much of a change between the 2. Apple didnt say, "hey lets release the iPad 3 and see how it does." They released the next gen iPad, improved the processor designed for the iPhone 5 and created the A6X (maybe ahead of schedule), and created a new dock connection for the iPhone 5 and iPad mini. They probably though "well we have the processor now, and we can easily redesign the backplate to accommodate the new dock, to keep the iOS product line using the same charger, why wait 6 more months for it?" They may have even wanted to change the refresh cycle for the iPad, releasing them along side the iPhone every year from now on.

But I think the notion that the iPad 3 is just a trial product, based on the speed of it running beta software is just ridiculous. It's like complaining that the iPhone 4 was just a trial model just because the iPhone 4S is faster with more features. Technology gets outdated pretty quickly; production takes time, and by the time of the release of a product, the newer technology is already available for a new model. At a certain point, hardware cant handle the software (and btw I think Apple was just cruel to release iOS6 on the iPhone 3GS) but at this day and age, there is nothing wrong with the iPad 3 in terms of speed compared to the iPad 4.

SakuraSuki said:
A perfect playable manner? What is your definition of playable manner. For me, a long time PC gamer, anything less than 60fps is consider to be non-playable manner. LOL..
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A PC gamer playing games on the iPad, and youre complaining? Im a PC gamer, and I know better than to turn to iOS for gaming purposes. While the iPad is great for casual games, its nothing to turn to looking for first person shooters playing at 60 fps. If youre a hardcore gamer who needs everything at high settings, the iPad is not the device of choice for gaming. I was happy playing certain FPS's on my mac with 30 fps, so iPad games were no issue to me when it comes to iOS-style games.
 
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CausticPuppy said:
My iPad3 is perfectly adequate, but some games have rather choppy frame rates like Real Racing 3.

It still struggles a bit with the animations in iOS7b4, particularly the background parallax effect; when the effect stutters and pauses it kind of ruins it.

I don't expect the final version of iOS7 to have these problems though.

I never felt the need to upgrade to an iPad4 but I'm definitely going to an iPad5.
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GoCubsGo said:
I'm trying to wrap my head around this idea that the iPad 3 was a trial product. I'm not sure that people can or should even agree. My iPad 3 is plenty fast. It handles the more graphic intensive games well, it only lags in the App store (which I blame the app store), and I never have any issues with it. But hey, if the OP says so then I guess it's a trial product. :cool:
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Right... A plenty fast device can't even handle Apple's own website.... Yes, Plenty fast indeed... LOL....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQaVhMTFhg0
 
Menel said:
So that video shows that a beta OS has performance issues.

OK...?

Illustration of why people get upset when non-devs run iOS betas and whine.
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LOL... I don't think I need post other video doing same thing on iOS 6... It still lags **** on iOS 6... If you would call iOS 6 as beta... Then I am fine with that...

You can blame beta version all you want, it still don't change fact that iPad Mini running iOS 7 beta runs smoother than crappy iPad 3 does.
 
Bro you are delusional.

iPad 3 has same performance as iPad 2, and iPad Mini is just the iPad 2 but shrunk. iPad 3 has retina whereas iPad 2 & Mini do not.

There will be same iOS 7 GM performance on iPad 3, iPad 2 and iPad Mini.

These models are also up to 18 months old, what do you expect? If you want the fastest experience you need the newest hardware.
 
The Beta again shows iPad 3 is a test product

What a crash city and disappointment. Not only blur effect is removed but also the iPad 3 only gesture crash. And this is only one year old device. Hell, iPad Mini runs better than this.
 
geekbench is heavily reliant on RAM, which is why you see android blow ios out of the water and still lag all the time
 
Not sure why everyone is attacking the OP.

I've owned the iPad 2, iPad 3, iPad mini, iPhone 4S and iPhone 5; it's obvious that apple rushed the iPad 3 out the door. if you look at tests conducted by tech sites, the iPad 3 actually runs slower than the iPad 2 in many instances.

It's funny how people attack android for their lack of updates, yet in this case, iOS 7 is such a nightmare on the iPad 3 (I know it's still in beta, but we are now less than 1 month away from GM), that one would think no update is better than this garbage update.

I'm sure the iPad 3's performance is 'adequate' for those who just use their iOS devices as toys. And to the douchebags that tell people to upgrade their hardware if they want good performance, keep in mind that this is a one year old iPad we are talking about. Most people aren't rich enough to upgrade every year, especially if someone spent $800 on a cellular 64GB model. Would you upgrade your MacBook Air every year?
 
DariusX said:
Not sure why everyone is attacking the OP.

I've owned the iPad 2, iPad 3, iPad mini, iPhone 4S and iPhone 5; it's obvious that apple rushed the iPad 3 out the door. if you look at tests conducted by tech sites, the iPad 3 actually runs slower than the iPad 2 in many instances.

It's funny how people attack android for their lack of updates, yet in this case, iOS 7 is such a nightmare on the iPad 3 (I know it's still in beta, but we are now less than 1 month away from GM), that one would think no update is better than this garbage update.

I'm sure the iPad 3's performance is 'adequate' for those who just use their iOS devices as toys. And to the douchebags that tell people to upgrade their hardware if they want good performance, keep in mind that this is a one year old iPad we are talking about. Most people aren't rich enough to upgrade every year, especially if someone spent $800 on a cellular 64GB model. Would you upgrade your MacBook Air every year?
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i want to preface what i'm about to say with i only own an ipad mini and not an ipad 3.

I totally agree that the ipad 3 not being able to run ios 7 is ridiculous. Judging by apple's past history, examples of this are abundant. I wouldn't put money down either way though. iPad 3 was always meant to be ipad 2 performance with retina, and while it sucks to have purchased it a year ago, it's still 2 generations ago. not saying that it shouldn't run well on ipad 3 but i wouldn't be surprised if ipad 3 was an afterthought and apple will get to it later on.

to those who claim apple "rushed" the ipad 3. you guys are never going to be pleased. outcries of apple should release things more frequently are abundant on this board. but ipad 3 is a good example of a fast release cycle, and still unsatisfied.
 
FrozenDarkness said:
i want to preface what i'm about to say with i only own an ipad mini and not an ipad 3.

I totally agree that the ipad 3 not being able to run ios 7 is ridiculous. Judging by apple's past history, examples of this are abundant. I wouldn't put money down either way though. iPad 3 was always meant to be ipad 2 performance with retina, and while it sucks to have purchased it a year ago, it's still 2 generations ago. not saying that it shouldn't run well on ipad 3 but i wouldn't be surprised if ipad 3 was an afterthought and apple will get to it later on.

to those who claim apple "rushed" the ipad 3. you guys are never going to be pleased. outcries of apple should release things more frequently are abundant on this board. but ipad 3 is a good example of a fast release cycle, and still unsatisfied.
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Apple did not rush iPad 3... Apple still followed one year release cycle for iPad 3. Apple had full year to develop iPad 3. Apple actually avoided talking about performance of A5X processor, they only focus on graphic capability during the keynote performance.

Apple knows the processor is same as A5, the quad core graphic is just there for push out the retina display. iPad 3 would horrible nightmare if Apple simply put A5, they had to put quad core graphic in there. The quad core graphic only powerful enough to push the extra resolution, but it fails when you do graphic intensive tasks and it run warmer.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Right... A plenty fast device can't even handle Apple's own website.... Yes, Plenty fast indeed... LOL....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQaVhMTFhg0
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Not really sure what you're talking about. I've got access to both an iPad 3rd gen and an iPad 4th gen, I can't even tell the difference by browsing the web - even the GUI animations are indistinguishable.

Perhaps some newer games might play better on the iPad 4, but my iPad is not a gaming device. It works just as it should, not even a hint of lag or dropped frames.

EDIT: Why would you look at browsing smoothness on a beta? You do know what beta means, yeah? Pretty sure the iPad 3 can handle browsing the web - look at iOS 6.
 
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Do you think the iPad 3 will be better in the GM? My mom has the iPad 3 and I would rather her enjoy her experience rather than wondering why her primary computer is getting slower with each update. It even is a tad choppy on iOS 6.

Even for my iPhone 5, iOS 6 is so much smoother than iOS 7. It's still beta I know, but I haven't seen any improvements across betas. The keyboard is a step behind, and there is some frame drops even when going into a message in Messages.app.
 
kockgunner said:
Do you think the iPad 3 will be better in the GM? My mom has the iPad 3 and I would rather her enjoy her experience rather than wondering why her primary computer is getting slower with each update. It even is a tad choppy on iOS 6.

Even for my iPhone 5, iOS 6 is so much smoother than iOS 7. It's still beta I know, but I haven't seen any improvements across betas. The keyboard is a step behind, and there is some frame drops even when going into a message in Messages.app.
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It is hard to see right now. Current beta performance OKish with all effect disabled. Still have bunch of bugs need to be fixed. iOS 7 just not ready for iPad in my view, I would suggest wait until GM and see how it goes. For one thing I am certain is that if iPad 3 don't get blur and translucency, I will not update to iOS 7.
 
SakuraSuki said:
It is hard to see right now. Current beta performance OKish with all effect disabled. Still have bunch of bugs need to be fixed. iOS 7 just not ready for iPad in my view, I would suggest wait until GM and see how it goes. For one thing I am certain is that if iPad 3 don't get blur and translucency, I will not update to iOS 7.
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If there is a significant performance drop and no blur, I won't update either. The betas are no real indication though. As someone else mentioned previously, Apples focus is probably more with the iPhone version of iOS 7 at this point in time.
 
Apple really screwed us over with the iPad 3. I wish I hadn't bought it when it came out but never the less I'm going to take a look at the iPad 5 as well.
 
SakuraSuki said:
Apple did not rush iPad 3... Apple still followed one year release cycle for iPad 3. Apple had full year to develop iPad 3. Apple actually avoided talking about performance of A5X processor, they only focus on graphic capability during the keynote performance.

Apple knows the processor is same as A5, the quad core graphic is just there for push out the retina display. iPad 3 would horrible nightmare if Apple simply put A5, they had to put quad core graphic in there. The quad core graphic only powerful enough to push the extra resolution, but it fails when you do graphic intensive tasks and it run warmer.
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A yearly refresh rate is something that we think they adhere to. it's obvious A6 wasn't ready. ARM has a yearly refresh rate too but they didn't release anything after the A9 for a while. Apple doesn't manufacture their own chips (at least until A6 if you consider that their own creation).

the common conception of rushing something ot market is to put technology out there before it's ready. apple put retina display before chips are ready to support it.
 
I think the new information about iOS7 being released later for the iPad shows it has nothing to do with the iPad3 being a trial product and everything to do with development being iPhone centric and iPad performance being not up to standard on all iPads.

I have an iPad 3 and feel that beta 6 has been very usable so far.
Beta 4 was a disaster.

Of course they took out some UI features, but still, it is functional.
 
I love my iPad 3 and I enjoy iOS 7 but it has a lot more bugs on the iPad than on the iPhone. Check this out. And I have been unable to use multitasking gestures since beta 4.
 

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When that happens, just put it in portrait mode.
I know its a workaround, but it works for me until they get their act together.
 
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