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iOS 7 to Ship 'On Time' as OS X Engineers Pitch In

twigman08 said:
... heck programmers have a hard enough time jumping back into their own code they wrote if they haven't looked at it in a while (good commenting doesn't always help on a big project like this)!
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Good commenting always helps. The factor you are ignoring is that of "not so good" comments that are perpetrated as 'good commenting' doesn't help. All those "insanely great" comments written in a 2:00 a.m. frenzy of caffeine haze really aren't as good as the author thought they were. Or the carefully and mechanically written to appear "good" that matches the code's algorithms from 6 version control check-ins ago. Same thing goes for the source code. It is far more mangled and lacking essential insightful variables names and structure that it is pitched as.

The problem for most of these software projects is that this never enough time to do it right, but always time to do it over (or fix it later) .

Same thing for this kind of borrowing from OS X. It happens every couple of releases. ( "Yeah, we'll fix the resource allocation problems later..... just get this one shipped. " )
 
hayesk said:
Apple is known for keeping teams small - sometimes too small, as is apparent now. If they're pulling engineers from one OS to another, this isn't a case where the Mythical Man Month applies. These aren't infrequent surges in work load. There's always work load.
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you don't seem to understand the Mythical Man Month. it has nothing to do with frequent vs infrequent work loads. it has everything to do with the fact that throwing more people at a project won't improve performance yield past a certain point, and in some cases can decrease efficiency.

apple releases a new iOS and OS X version annually. I think they're doing all right.

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Michael Goff said:
It does for most things, but when they scheduled two OSs to be released at at the same time and then moved from one to the other? It becomes slightly less smart.
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you seem to paint yourself as an expert in these matters. which OSes have you managed and launched? inquiring minds want to know...
 
deconstruct60 said:
Good commenting always helps. The factor you are ignoring is that of "not so good" comments that are perpetrated as 'good commenting' doesn't help. All those "insanely great" comments written in a 2:00 a.m. frenzy of caffeine haze really aren't as good as the author thought they were. Or the carefully and mechanically written to appear "good" that matches the code's algorithms from 6 version control check-ins ago. Same thing goes for the source code. It is far more mangled and lacking essential insightful variables names and structure that it is pitched as.
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Lol, I had to laugh from experience at some of those. Every programmer has been there. Write some amazing awesome code at 3 in the morning and a couple days later while looking at it you'll be like "now what the crap is that?"

Though when it comes to big projects, especially operating systems, the code most of the time is "ugly." Even looking at open source code from very well known development houses, their code is still very hard to follow even with commenting that most programmers would term as "good."

The problem for most of these software projects is that this never enough time to do it right, but always time to do it over (or fix it later) .
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I'm sure every programmer is with you there. Our initial code design never turns out what we originally thought it would and we already want to refactor it. I actually suffer from always wanting to refactor my code design.

Same thing for this kind of borrowing from OS X. It happens every couple of releases. ( "Yeah, we'll fix the resource allocation problems later..... just get this one shipped. " )
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again people acting like Apple isn't actively hiring more people. They're always hiring. And again people acting like it's a "problem" and that no other company does this. Again it is perfectly natural to move some developers over from one project to another when a project enters crunch mode. Nothing to do with "resource allocation problems."
 
I'm sure this may have been asked (I haven't read the whole thread :eek:), but how can a release be "late", when no release date was ever announced.

I seems like saying...I was late for the appointment, and no appointment was scheduled.

I must be missing something...what is it:confused:
 
And I would say:

"Take your time, do it right. In the meantime, fix the bugs in iOS 6".

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Shrink said:
I'm sure this may have been asked (I haven't read the whole thread :eek:), but how can a release be "late", when no release date was ever announced.

I seems like saying...I was late for the appointment, and no appointment was scheduled.

I must be missing something...what is it:confused:
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I think they are referring to the date when the new iPhone or iPad is going to be launched. Apple usually releases the new iOS version with new hardware.

If iOS is no ready in time for the launch of the new iDevices, it would be considered "late".
 
daneoni said:
I'm sure he's a nice guy but he kinda comes across as a pompous douche.
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I think I'm a nice guy, at least I try to be. I don't deal well with ******** and that offends some people, but you can't please everyone.

Also, I rescue dogs, so there's that.


Jim
 
What exactly makes this guy "renowned"? The fact that apple plants some leaks via him? He also only seriously ugly dude btw, just report on the leaks please, no pics.
 
Amazing Iceman said:
And I would say:

"Take your time, do it right. In the meantime, fix the bugs in iOS 6".

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I think they are referring to the date when the new iPhone or iPad is going to be launched. Apple usually releases the new iOS version with new hardware.

If iOS is no ready in time for the launch of the new iDevices, it would be considered "late".
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Makes sense...

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question.:D
 
Seriously did we really need Dalrymple to confirm that iOS7 would ship this year? iDevices are more than 50% of Apple's revenue. It's not going to melt its golden calf.

Also if there is any indication that Apple is still a "hot" and "valued" brand it's that news orgs like Bloomberg are still trading off inventing rumors about it to get hits during slow news periods.

Consider this: if Bloomberg posted a story that Android 5's ship date might slip would it be big news outside the Android community? I think not.
 
twigman08 said:
again people acting like Apple isn't actively hiring more people. They're always hiring. And again people acting like it's a "problem" and that no other company does this.
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I don't know what you are arguing for really. It's simple. If people are unhappy with what Apple is achieving in terms of results, then it isn't unreasonable for them to think however much Apple is hiring it isn't aggressive enough.

You also keep talking about how Apple is no different here from other companies. But remember, the customers pay a premium for Apple hardware/software. Their profits are unlike other companies and so the expectations for their luxury items will be higher. If Apple wants to be compared on equivalent standards as everyone else, then perhaps they should charge like everyone else.

Again it is perfectly natural to move some developers over from one project to another when a project enters crunch mode. Nothing to do with "resource allocation problems."
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Is it perfectly normal for a company with Apple's prestige to have a growing tendency of releasing incomplete projects, where the "new" version of the software has a nice new elegant UI but is functionally inferior to the prior version and requires maintaining that older version alongside the new version? That all normal?
 
I love reading the comments in the leopard is delayed post. This is one of my favorites:





johnee said:
mac-er said:
I like how they start off the release with...Hey, the iPhone is great, and oh, by the way, OS X is delayed.

And, let's make sure there are no hypocrites here. Everyone that have MS crap about Vista being delayed should now do the same for Apple.

Or, let's here the complaining about how the Mac is being abandoned.
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iphone will make them tons of money, leopard won't
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mac-er said:
johnee said:
iphone will make them tons of money, leopard won't
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You really need to read the financial results of the company..these OS releases result in huge amounts of money for the company. Millions more copies of the OS will sell over the iPhone.
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ohh so many good ones.
mac-er said:
Not anymore. Times change. Apple is now a consumer electronics company, a la Sony. It won't be long until Apple release a full-fledged TV set.
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Mr. Gates said:
Apple loves shipping Beta and telling you it's ready
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How is that different than what any other tech company does? 1980 past by a long time ago. The era when companies could take their merry time developing & testing products is only available on celluloid at the Smithsonian.
 
anyone who thinks hiring people off the street no matter what the credentials are is going to speed or fix things has clearly never worked in project management or software development so it would be best not to make ignorant comments like these
 
The picture says it all.

Wow, the Mac vs PC guys sure have aged (and not too well).

The Face of Apple. How embarrassing. Next thing you know we'll have Meatloaf extolling the virtues of Windows 8 and ZZTop announcing the latest version of Android.
 
Overall as far as "Apple iOS News" this was awfully shoddy.

But be prepared for more. This year more than any other we'll witness Apples ability to sell premium vaporware.

Still operating in the "We Can Do No Wrong Mode" people will open their wallets wide & spend, spend, spend.

Tim & company will laugh all the way to the bank. What a strange phenomenon.
 
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