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Battery life is king. So much so that they are bringing App Nap to Mavericks to do the same thing as iOS.

The reality is that the majority of folks using Apple's consumer products don't need to have 50 apps running on their Mac or iPhone. Instead, they want all day battery life. It is a good compromise IMO.
 
That doesn't make it the right decision.

That was the same reasoning behind the iPhone not having Apps to begin with.

The idea that "people don't need Apps" is hilarious to us now, but that's what Steve Jobs said.

iOS didn't need multitasking.

Then the limited multitasking they added in iOS 4.0 was enough.

Now they're adding more.

Notice a trend?

Their focus on the end user experience instead of cramming features?
 
Your eyes can only focus on one thing at once. So while the phone might multitask, you are not.

That argument is b.s Ready, I'm focusing on both what I'm watching on tv and your post at the same time. I think Apple should give this as an option to people who really want it and don't mind the battery drain, it's not like it's hard to code and if you don't want the drain on battery life you won't use it. It's one of those, Apple is living 2 years behind the times features for no reason.

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Battery life is king. So much so that they are bringing App Nap to Mavericks to do the same thing as iOS.

The reality is that the majority of folks using Apple's consumer products don't need to have 50 apps running on their Mac or iPhone. Instead, they want all day battery life. It is a good compromise IMO.

I personally question the need for it, but it seems to be in quite a bit of a demand.
 
That argument is b.s Ready, I'm focusing on both what I'm watching on tv and your post at the same time. I think Apple should give this as an option to people who really want it and don't mind the battery drain, it's not like it's hard to code and if you don't want the drain on battery life you won't use it. It's one of those, Apple is living 2 years behind the times features for no reason.

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I personally question the need for it, but it seems to be in quite a bit of a demand.
How do you measure "quite a bit of demand" (in this case in particular)?
 
Based on this forum, tbh I don't care for multitasking either but if it'll shut people up here why not give it?
Realistically there's probably quite a bit more "demand" for all kinds of other things, from different icons and colors in iOS 7, to other features like quick reply, etc., etc., etc.
 
Still very dissapointed with apple's "multi-tasking". Ideally imo multi-tasking is being able to do more than one thing at a time. Not switch between apps.

For instance,
The note 2 is a great example for multi-tasking. The screen splits in 2 and you can run 2 apps at the same time. (Watch a movie on you tube on the top part and on the bottom check email or text.

Why has apple not caught on to this?

IMO, this is the better multi tasking, it saves a lot of battery usage. With screen as small as iphone, interaction between 2 or more apps at the same time is not pleasant experience.

iPad is more fit to run 2 apps at the same time, but again, how often general user will do that?

Even with my laptop (13 inch) I have my all my apps full screen/only interact 1 screen at a time.

The only general scenario for opening 2 window at a time/across apps is when I'm moving files. Eg: drag file to email for attachment, copy/move files from one folder to another. But that's not possible with iOS sandbox design and I prefer that way. Managing files is troublesome.
 
I'd settle for the ability to play the audio from a movie in the background while I did other stuff (or even had the screen locked).

Several third-party apps are capable of this; for example, nPlayer and GoodPlayer.

Note that iOS7's "revolutionary" (hah hah...) "multitasking" is so limited that one can't output video via a wired cable connection to an external monitor. All you can have is either using ATV and AirPlay or audio only.
 
Several third-party apps are capable of this; for example, nPlayer and GoodPlayer.

Note that iOS7's "revolutionary" (hah hah...) "multitasking" is so limited that one can't output video via a wired cable connection to an external monitor. All you can have is either using ATV and AirPlay or audio only.

Who are you quoting with 'revolutionary'? Pretty sure they didn't call it that.
 
If you open up the Camera app, then double click, the camera is still in live view, not sure if anyone noticed it but it didn't do that in iOS6 as far as I remember.
 
Based on this forum, tbh I don't care for multitasking either but if it'll shut people up here why not give it?

Because it will murder the battery life of the phone for all users, including those that do not require it (or frankly even know what it is/why they'd need it).

Outside of these types of communities filled with the tech savvy, I have never heard anyone in the wild complaining about lack of multitasking. There is no point in wounding all users for the sake of appeasing a few geeks.
 
Because it will murder the battery life of the phone for all users, including those that do not require it (or frankly even know what it is/why they'd need it).

Outside of these types of communities filled with the tech savvy, I have never heard anyone in the wild complaining about lack of multitasking. There is no point in wounding all users for the sake of appeasing a few geeks.

How do you figure it'll affect battery life if you don't even use it.... People treat the general pop. as if its retarded. They have the option to not use it which is the option that it'll take. For the record, android has it, and its userbase is far greater than that of ios.
 
If you open up the Camera app, then double click, the camera is still in live view, not sure if anyone noticed it but it didn't do that in iOS6 as far as I remember.

You can also use the volume button to take a picture while in multitasking.
 
How do you figure it'll affect battery life if you don't even use it.... People treat the general pop. as if its retarded. They have the option to not use it which is the option that it'll take. For the record, android has it, and its userbase is far greater than that of ios.
How does userbase relate to quality or usefulness (or uselessness) of something?
 
How do you figure it'll affect battery life if you don't even use it...

Not use it? Background processes are normally something managed by developers, not individual users.

People treat the general pop. as if its...

...not well informed about smartphone useage.

For the record, android has it, and its userbase is far greater than that of ios.

Not sure what your point is. Android has the exact problems that you'd expect from adding unlimited background processing.
 
Not use it? Background processes are normally something managed by developers, not individual users.



...not well informed about smartphone useage.


Not sure what your point is. Android has the exact problems that you'd expect from adding unlimited background processing.

Fine but at least allow the ability to run 2 apps side by side. Won't affect the battery life of those who don't use it, and those who need it won't mind the battery loss.
 
Fine but at least allow the ability to run 2 apps side by side. Won't affect the battery life of those who don't use it, and those who need it won't mind the battery loss.

I think that would be a great feature on an iPad for certain applications.
 
Fine but at least allow the ability to run 2 apps side by side. Won't affect the battery life of those who don't use it, and those who need it won't mind the battery loss.
Of course they will--if forums like this, which represent just a small subset of users, consistently show one thing is that people will be upset and complain about anything and everything that seems off to them. You can definitely bet that if and when someone sees a decrease in battery life, even if they are knowingly using multiple apps at the same time, they will complain (some even quite a bit) saying this isn't right and Apple shouldn't do it this way or that way or whatnot.
 
Of course they will--if forums like this, which represent just a small subset of users, consistently show one thing is that people will be upset and complain about anything and everything that seems off to them. You can definitely bet that if and when someone sees a decrease in battery life, even if they are knowingly using multiple apps at the same time, they will complain (some even quite a bit) saying this isn't right and Apple shouldn't do it this way or that way or whatnot.
You're overestimating its eff on battery life. This isn't something you're gonna use all the time. It's like using a really useful app that takes up a lot of power. Are you gonna give up LTE for similar reasons, are you gonna stop watching youtube and videos, what about wifi etc.? Yes they'll complain about battery life, fine let them no one says you have to listen to them. But it could be a really nice feature, especially on an iPad. I wouldn't use it on a smartphone but then I don't own a smartphone and if I did I wouldn't expect my phone to hold out all day if I'm using it extensively.
 
Who are you quoting with 'revolutionary'? Pretty sure they didn't call it that.

Jobs himself, referring to iOS4's multitasking (which was even less capable than that of iOS7)?

"There are some big new features -- the first being multitasking. People said you weren't the first, but we figured it out. If you don't do it right, you kill the battery."


OK, he didn't use the word "revolutionary". Nevertheless, he did mean that by calling iOS' multitasking model much better than anything else out there. (Lolz...)
 
Personally I would love the ability to have two windows opened at the same time. I seem to always be needing to copy/paste something from one app to another. Or I'm trying to compare two things and need to see them side by side. For now, I close everything in the multitask tray and open just the two I need and use the four-finger swipe (I'm talking iPad here) between the two.

I'm retired now but I can tell you that if I were still working I certainly could not do my job on an iPad. I always had at least two windows opened at work. And to be honest my co-workers were the same. Now that I don't create much content the iPad works ok and I deal with the absence of multitasking.

I don't see Apple making any changes toward this any time soon. If MS comes out with a Surface with cellular or I find a Win8 tablet I like I may change. For now, the form factor of the iPad makes up for the lack of multitasking or file system access.
 
Jobs himself, referring to iOS4's multitasking (which was even less capable than that of iOS7)?

"There are some big new features -- the first being multitasking. People said you weren't the first, but we figured it out. If you don't do it right, you kill the battery."


OK, he didn't use the word "revolutionary". Nevertheless, he did mean that by calling iOS' multitasking model much better than anything else out there. (Lolz...)
At the time, how long did a typical (if not pretty much all) Android phone batteries last? And there you go. ;)
 
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Jobs himself, referring to iOS4's multitasking (which was even less capable than that of iOS7)?

"There are some big new features -- the first being multitasking. People said you weren't the first, but we figured it out. If you don't do it right, you kill the battery."


OK, he didn't use the word "revolutionary". Nevertheless, he did mean that by calling iOS' multitasking model much better than anything else out there.

So... basically you are arguing with something that you made up yourself?

(Lolz...)

Good argument. But can you be more specific as to what you disagree with that he actually said?
 
Jobs himself, referring to iOS4's multitasking (which was even less capable than that of iOS7)?

"There are some big new features -- the first being multitasking. People said you weren't the first, but we figured it out. If you don't do it right, you kill the battery."


OK, he didn't use the word "revolutionary". Nevertheless, he did mean that by calling iOS' multitasking model much better than anything else out there. (Lolz...)
Actually if you go by the context of the quote, you see a man humbly saying he didn't do something first. He then says he did it right and clarifies what he means by saying battery is a major concern in 'True Multitasking'. Which is true. Back then everyone on Android was killing tasks left and right. Remember task killer apps? Yep, I do. So in a way it was better than anything else out there at the time (lolz...).
 
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