iOS 8.4 in Development With Possible Support for New Music Service

[shandyman]

Because it would limit all the 8.x updates. And it would be quicker to deploy the update via app store vs the OS. Plus I don’t want a bloated OS. It’s no different what Samsung does with stock Google. Motorola learned to decouple their core apps and there has been no complaints with this practice.

Apart from the fact that the OS works totally different, so it would waste time doing that, which could be better spent doing something more worthwhile.

Additionally, separating the apps out, isn't going to buy you much more speed deploying the OS updates, especially on delta updates.

Again, you miss the fact that a lot of the core apps will lose functionality if they're separated out from the OS. Which will probably have you complaining more.

 

[s2mikey]

A lot of the apps you name are not separate apps for the simple reason that they cannot work the same if they're not as integrated. Beats will probably just be merged with Music, which isn't going to be much different to having iTunes Radio on it.

Why should the end users be punished with seperate apps with less function than they had, simply because you don't like it or have no need?

Why should the end users that don't want Dre Snoop Playa Dog garbage on our devices be punished? Same issue arises both ways. I don't want Beats or anything remotely like it anywhere near a device I paid for. Just make the apps separate ..... Like they did with Pages, Numbers and so forth. That all worked out fine. Those that wanted them simply pulled them down from the store.

What's wrong again with just letting users get Beats crap if they really want it versus shoving it onto everyone? Please advise.

 

[twoodcc]

hope it happens soon

 

[Keirasplace]

You seem to be assuming that everyone's experience with Snow Leopard started with the initial release.

Surely you can't deny that people came in toward the end of that 22 month window would have a different perspective on Snow Leopard. No revisionism or rose-colored glasses needed.

Well, if they didn't say anything about Apple being a shining example of software development in the past because of Snow Leopard (22 months+ after release) vs IOS 8 (5 months after release), I'd be more incline to let their affirmation go. The fact that they use Snow Leopard as an argument to their current diatribe means they don't know what they're talking about basically. So, hey, that should be noted.

Apple has had several software mishaps in the past, some larger than others. I'd say they actually have improved considering their current development cycles seam shortrer and the scope of their projects bigger.

 

[SlCKB0Y]

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If you two are going to continue to quarrel like an old married couple can you at least get a room?

 

[StyxMaker]

Why should the end users that don't want Dre Snoop Playa Dog garbage on our devices be punished? Same issue arises both ways. I don't want Beats or anything remotely like it anywhere near a device I paid for. Just make the apps separate ..... Like they did with Pages, Numbers and so forth. That all worked out fine. Those that wanted them simply pulled them down from the store.



What's wrong again with just letting users get Beats crap if they really want it versus shoving it onto everyone? Please advise.

What's with this obsession that you are being 'punished'? If you like the way the Android OS works buy a phone that uses it.

 

[shandyman]

iOS 8.4 in Development With Possible Support for New Music Service

Why should the end users that don't want Dre Snoop Playa Dog garbage on our devices be punished? Same issue arises both ways. I don't want Beats or anything remotely like it anywhere near a device I paid for. Just make the apps separate ..... Like they did with Pages, Numbers and so forth. That all worked out fine. Those that wanted them simply pulled them down from the store.



What's wrong again with just letting users get Beats crap if they really want it versus shoving it onto everyone? Please advise.

Did you kick up a fuss when iTunes Radio was added? This is going to be the same thing. Music streaming from Beats will be integrated into the Music app. It'll be opt in.

Pages, etc was never an integrated core app, like Music.

You don't want to use it? Then don't. You don't get to decide that the people that want to use it, suffer a poorer experience by not having it as fully featured as it could be.

Also, Dre Snoop playa dog? You show ignorance. You can listen to Bob Dylan on Beats if you choose. Try a product before you declare its garbage.

 

[Zxxv]

If you two are going to continue to quarrel like an old married couple can you at least get a room?

Blocked divorced him so no worries.

 

[shandyman]

iOS 8.4 in Development With Possible Support for New Music Service

If you two are going to continue to quarrel like an old married couple can you at least get a room?

Blocked divorced him so no worries.

So mature. Block me then tell the forum. So mature. He's also blocked everyone that's pointed out he's wrong. The forum will get lonely for him.

Also note that 5 people criticised his post. None supported it.

 

[s2mikey]

What's with this obsession that you are being 'punished'? If you like the way the Android OS works buy a phone that uses it.

Phone? I don't own an iPhone. What does this have to do with android? Are you in the right thread?

Did you kick up a fuss when iTunes Radio was added? This is going to be the same thing. Music streaming from Beats will be integrated into the Music app. It'll be opt in.

Pages, etc was never an integrated core app, like Music.

You don't want to use it? Then don't. You don't get to decide that the people that want to use it, suffer a poorer experience by not having it as fully featured as it could be.

Also, Dre Snoop playa dog? You show ignorance. You can listen to Bob Dylan on Beats if you choose. Try a product before you declare its garbage.

iTunes radio is an apple based product, not a shady, third party product that I consider vulgar. Bob Dylan? Ehhhh, not bad but what music people like has nothing to do with this. It's simply about what many would call bloatware being forced onto our devices.

Zero reason why it would lose features being a separate app. How the heck do you come to that conclusion? Pages and numbers aren't crippled in any way, are they? Nope.

The playa dog thing is a joke but seriously, Dre Fitty Cent is a pure thug. Still can't believe Apple teamed up with this guy.

 

[funchrist]

Another update , again, and again,...

ANother update!

Ios 9 fixing bugs?
ios 8.1.3, 8.1.4, ios 9. ios 9.1

Apple, just do one which works!!!!!!!!!

it is very tirering to reupdate every 3 or more weeks

 

[Tyler23]

ANother update!

Ios 9 fixing bugs?
ios 8.1.3, 8.1.4, ios 9. ios 9.1

Apple, just do one which works!!!!!!!!!

it is very tirering to reupdate every 3 or more weeks

You don't have to update to the betas..

And if you're talking about public releases - you're saying that it is tiring to push a button on your phone? Really?

 

[shandyman]

iOS 8.4 in Development With Possible Support for New Music Service

Phone? I don't own an iPhone. What does this have to do with android? Are you in the right thread?



iTunes radio is an apple based product, not a shady, third party product that I consider vulgar. Bob Dylan? Ehhhh, not bad but what music people like has nothing to do with this. It's simply about what many would call bloatware being forced onto our devices.

Zero reason why it would lose features being a separate app. How the heck do you come to that conclusion? Pages and numbers aren't crippled in any way, are they? Nope.

The playa dog thing is a joke but seriously, Dre Fitty Cent is a pure thug. Still can't believe Apple teamed up with this guy.

Beats is now an Apple product. From what's appearing to happen, they're going to integrate it into the existing Music app, which is an Apple based app.

The core apps would lose features if separated, as they would have limited access to the core systems and have to rely on the API's that Devs use. If you pull the music app into a separate app, it would lose the control centre control, Siri control, amongst other things. That's just a quick example off the top of my head.

My response about Beats is to show you're portraying a lack of knowledge of what content is in Beats. It's not just Rap and Hip Hop. There's quite a range. You contradicted yourself by saying music taste has nothing to do with this, then repeatedly throw around Dre, Fitty Cent, Snoop Dogg.

 

[cdm283813]

How is it a mess? They are adding modular features with each of those releases and they are at different stage of testing/devellopment. You prefer they sit on their arse like before IOS 7 for 4 years.

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Each updates add a new service, and you can refuse the update now. So, not sure why you'd get tired of it. There is no regression in performance (more like improvements) and the updates don't really take a long time to do. Start time in the late evening and you get the phone back before bedtime.

Android leaves massive security holes and bugs for months on end, often because your not getting ANY updates when those holes exist. You really think that's better?

Apple's advantage is tight integration of hardware / OS / services, that's why you get the overall updates. They need to do deep changes to add the new services. Android because its more decoupled form the hardware can afford to deliver more high level updates; I don't really see that as much of an advantage since it often means their services don't work as well.

“There is no regression in performance (more like improvements)”

How can you say this as fact? I always read comments in these very forums about people avoiding Apple updates because of speed and stability issues. Stop pretending that Apple is perfect. And if you look at Apple’s OS pie chart iOS 8 has the slowest adoption rate vs any previous Apple versions. And that’s with the best sales of new devices running iOS 8. So it’s obvious that many people don't view your statement the same way. Plus I was not complaining about updates that fix issues to the “core OS” such as bugs or security problems. It’s the updates that add useless features that have to be updated as well.

I personally don’t find it practical to keep adding “bloat”. Eventually all that bloat will slow down the OS; just ask the Samsung haters here. Is there a crime for wishing that an OS remains light and stable? Why is it ok to keep adding features that not everyone will use thus making the OS less stable hence the number of times we see goofy updates not even pertaining to us? I don’t want Beats, I don’t want Carplay and I don’t want Apple Watch. Why should we be punished with stability issues?
The Android Wear and Chromecast Apps are separate apps in the play store. When I connect/turn on these products for the first time it tells you to download their respective apps from the play store. I’ve never have to see the screen again. Why should someone that does not own these devices be punished with apps taking up space and cause stability issues? Not only do you avoid an operating system update it’s easier to deploy the update along with Angry Birds.

Building the necessary framework into the OS is one thing but it should be very light to avoid conflict. The heavy lifting should be done by the App which can be downloaded/updated any time; not baked into the OS. Rumor has it that Samsung is getting away from this practice for their 2015 models. Very clear why they would do this.

 

[shandyman]

iOS 8.4 in Development With Possible Support for New Music Service

I always read comments in these very forums about people avoiding Apple updates because of speed and stability issues. Stop pretending that Apple is perfect.

no OS is perfect. Also, you're assuming that all or most stability issues are due to apps you claim could be separated. How could a wifi connection issue be caused by the Music app? Also, OTA software updates are Delta, which means only the affected stuff gets updated (in very simplified terms obviously).

I don’t want Beats, I don’t want Carplay and I don’t want Apple Watch. Why should we be punished with stability issues?
The Android Wear and Chromecast Apps are separate apps in the play store. When I connect/turn on these products for the first time it tells you to download their respective apps from the play store. I’ve never have to see the screen again. Why should someone that does not own these devices be punished with apps taking up space and cause stability issues?

iOS does not work the same way as android. Things like CarPlay and Apple Watch wouldn't work properly if they made them apps. Additionally they will not be as seamless either. Beats will most likely be integrated into the music app the same way iTunes Radio is.

Why should people that want to use it be forced to go from one app to the other? Apple is about keeping things simple and integrated. If you don't like how Apple does things, leave, as this is how it's always been with iOS, they won't alter the entire iOS to provide what you want.

Samsung aren't someone to emulate, since they saw a drop in mobile area profit....

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You don't have to update to the betas..

And if you're talking about public releases - you're saying that it is tiring to push a button on your phone? Really?

It's funny indeed to see this. Also, all these updates will have bug fixes and further optimisation. I know Id rather have a bunch of updates than none at all. You could be on an android device and its a gamble on if you're going to get any updates at all! Lol.

 

[macduke]

So when do we get Hey Siri without eating to be connected to power?

Probably when Apple can also make it not activate accidentally. I turned on that setting for my dev iPad Mini at work for a couple weeks and it would frequently activate itself. It needs to better recognize the phrase and the owner's voice. It's great when I would have a one-on-one meeting in my office and it would start talking randomly. No way I'm trying that with my phone at all times.

 

[poe diddley]

Elaborate.

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i don't have to. It's well documented here and on other related forums. It's been effed up since ios 8 was released on most devices a year or more older. It rarely causes problems on my iPhone 6, but is horrid to use on my iPad mini. Constant reloads, the phrase "there was a problem with this page so it was reloaded" appearing every day on pages I have visited for a couple years on this device with no issues until ios 8. Not to mention the still fouled up copy/paste in safari. To sum it up it feels like they made safari a huge resource hog in 8, which taxes older devices. Safari being the most commonly used app in the whole os means them leaving it so broken for so many users is negligence. Or, their way of trying to force the frustrated to buy the newest device, which to me, would be trickery since they claim these older devices can support ios8. Other than safari and camera roll loading up slowly, I don't have any issues with ios8. But it boggles my mind that they haven't bothered to fix it yet.

 

[Keirasplace]

Probably when Apple can also make it not activate accidentally. I turned on that setting for my dev iPad Mini at work for a couple weeks and it would frequently activate itself. It needs to better recognize the phrase and the owner's voice. It's great when I would have a one-on-one meeting in my office and it would start talking randomly. No way I'm trying that with my phone at all times.

The main reason is battery usage. Siri would listen, process send your info to Apple for a reply continuously. I'm guessing the batter wouldn't last the day ;-).

 

[macduke]

The main reason is battery usage. Siri would listen, process send your info to Apple for a reply continuously. I'm guessing the batter wouldn't last the day ;-).

Yep, OP already mentioned that and I said ALSO the other point about activation. If they had a dedicated low-power chip like the M that constantly listens, combined with a battery like the 6 Plus then they could do it.

 

[mazz0]

Not happening. It's an iPad , not a we pad. I don't get why everyone tries to mold the iPad into something it's not and was never intended to be. It's not a laptop and shouldn't be viewed as one. I'm just saying.

As for a music service..... Does the world need another music service? It's like video streaming where there are plenty of options and no need for more. IMO.

Having multiple logins does not make it a laptop, it makes it a device used by multiple people, and you know what? It already is.

 

[Black Magic]

Having multiple logins does not make it a laptop, it makes it a device used by multiple people, and you know what? It already is.

How would having multiple users work out on an iPad? I'm looking at it from a storage standpoint where everyone has music and pics stored on the 16GB device. Imagine the headache of troubleshooting what's taking up all the space when you are only using 2GB? I wonder how Android devices address this?

 

[mazz0]

How would having multiple users work out on an iPad? I'm looking at it from a storage standpoint where everyone has music and pics stored on the 16GB device. Imagine the headache of troubleshooting what's taking up all the space when you are only using 2GB? I wonder how Android devices address this?

I'm sure that's not beyond the wit of Apple's engineers. Apps wouldn't need replicating in their entirety, just the user documents and settings parts (might require app be updated with a new packaging system).

I don't know how the interface for storage management would work. I could make suggestions, but I suspect Apple would be a lot better at it than me!

Storage concerns themselves are no different than with multiple users sharing a single account. Since almost all content on an iPad comes via Apple they should be able to avoid any unnecessary duplication.

 

[KazuSnow]

Yeah I figured that was the case. It's frustrating having the tech in my phone and not being able to use it for anything though! I also feel like it would be a much bigger priority for Apple if we had a larger population however...

They should create an apple bank, and save all the profit for them haha watch the big four innovate then!

 

[friedmud]

You misunderstand. Your paying for them to advertise music to you. When you find something you like you buy it. Kids today are dumb.

I am in no way a "kid"... and since I started subscribing to services like this (first Beats - then I switched to Spotify) I haven't bought any music (other than obviously paying for the services).

 

[allanfries]

So IOS 8.4? That must be, what, the 8th or 9th update to IOS 8 since October. WTF?