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My perfectly working 4s is no longer working properly...

after installing IOS8 the phone I was planning to hand over to my mom when I upgraded to Iphone6 is now the equivalent of "slapping her across the face and telling her I hated being her son"... In short words: it chrashes often, no sound comes out of it, lags on performance etc... And of course there is no way of downgrading...

After more than 20 years buying apple products, is the first time I do feel extremely unhappy about having "no options"...
 
You aren't much of a developer if you don't appreciate the benefits to devs of iOS 8- universal storyboards for iPhone / iPad, adaptable UIs, many new APIs including UIAlertController which is much better than the UIActionSheet and UIAlertView classes it replaces, etc. Sure, Apple did a good job making a lot of stuff deploy back to iOS 7, such as Swift (which I assume you aren't going to use for 3 years), but that doesn't mean there are no benefits to going iOS 8 only. Obviously everybody's case is different and some, such as yourself, will prefer to spend time testing on obsolete OSes instead of implementing the latest APIs. Suit yourself, the users will decide.

Just because something is the latest, it doesn't make it the greatest. Take Swift for example. It has some major productivity issues, such as a lack of implicit type conversions.
 
My iPad Air will remain on iOS 7.1.2 due to it being ridiculously smooth and fluid.

I took my 8.1 Air back to the Genius Bar under warranty because of UI sluggishness and WiFi being slow and my replacement had 7.1.2 on it. I now have my iPad back, the iPad I enjoyed using, rather than the slow and sluggish mess that iOS 8.1 made it. iOS 8.1.1 beta 1 did help with the UI smoothness but Safari's UI remained slow in places with animation lag when tapping the address bar to bring up the keyboard.

They can ram iOS 8 as far as iPad is concerned. My 5s is on iOS 8 however and is absolutely fine.
 
Correction

Nearly 57%*

iOS 8 Installed on Nearly 57 Percent of Active iOS Devices
 
What issues are you scared of then?

1) Performance hit
2) Buggy as hell
3) Don't need the new features of 8
4) iOS 7 in some ways was a stepback from 6 and 8 just makes 7 look like a polished and brilliant mobile OS.
 
You aren't much of a developer if you don't appreciate the benefits to devs of iOS 8- universal storyboards for iPhone / iPad, adaptable UIs, many new APIs including UIAlertController which is much better than the UIActionSheet and UIAlertView classes it replaces, etc. Sure, Apple did a good job making a lot of stuff deploy back to iOS 7, such as Swift (which I assume you aren't going to use for 3 years), but that doesn't mean there are no benefits to going iOS 8 only. Obviously everybody's case is different and some, such as yourself, will prefer to spend time testing on obsolete OSes instead of implementing the latest APIs. Suit yourself, the users will decide.


You lack any business brains if you think cutting your potential user base by 45% is worth playing with nice new toys.

Or did you just skip over the stats that this article was talking about and that I added to. In fact, do you have anything of value to add...?
 
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This just in! Android Lollipop now installed on a total of 60 individual android devices!

That's great and all but my iPad is the slowest its ever been while my HTC One hasn't changed since I bought it.

In theory Apple's update philosophy is great but in practice it's terrible for the user. It's probably great for them because I'm pretty damn close to buying a new tablet because of how frustratingly slow it is most of the time. If I do I guess I better remember never to update it.
 
The only reason I have iOS8 on my iPad is because Apple forced me to "upgrade" to iCloud drive just to access my data in my Numbers spreadsheets on iCloud (web version) a month ago, which forced me to "upgrade" to iOS8 just to upload new data from my iPad, which forced me to "upgrade" my apple TV since iOS8's Airplay was not functioning *at all* with the previous apple TV software version.

Remember when things were backwards compatible? Yeah that was a nice era.

Honestly, this BS is THE main reason I'm hesitant in buying any more apple products.
 
No one in my extended family has moved to iOS8 due to them not having a computer, and out of space. They ask me what to do with their photos. What can I say? Delete them.

Obviously, they will not.

Open a box account and transfer all your photos over, then delete, then upgrade. Box gives you 50GB free.
 
No one in my extended family has moved to iOS8 due to them not having a computer, and out of space. They ask me what to do with their photos. What can I say? Delete them.

Obviously, they will not.

I tell them to move it to the cloud, then followed with an explanation on how to do it.
 
That's great and all but my iPad is the slowest its ever been while my HTC One hasn't changed since I bought it.

In theory Apple's update philosophy is great but in practice it's terrible for the user. It's probably great for them because I'm pretty damn close to buying a new tablet because of how frustratingly slow it is most of the time. If I do I guess I better remember never to update it.

Have One M8, can offer evidence to the contrary. The 4.4.4 update brought SO MUCH RANDOM LAG AND STUTTER. And I'm not the only one.
 
My Dad is a proud 5%er. He has a 3GS. Still. He basically uses it as an iPod. But he's 82, so he can do whatever he wants in my book. :)
 
I didn't upgrade any of my devices to 8 and I have more than enough space for the install.

Yeah well you just keep enjoying that smooth solid OS experience Apple used to be known for while the rest of us beta test for you.
 
Just because something is the latest, it doesn't make it the greatest. Take Swift for example. It has some major productivity issues, such as a lack of implicit type conversions.
If that's your one beef with swift you don't know much about coding.
 
If downgrading were possible, say back to iOS 7.x or even 6.x then that percentage would fall considerably!

The statistics aren't a true reflection of what consumers want, considering so many people would be more than happy to downgrade.

My iPad 2 is staying on iOS 5.x.
Going to get an iPad Mini 2 as soon as I can get one. Happy to have iOS 8 on that device, but my older devices are staying clear. Once bitten forever shy.
 
after installing IOS8 the phone I was planning to hand over to my mom when I upgraded to Iphone6 is now the equivalent of "slapping her across the face and telling her I hated being her son"... In short words: it chrashes often, no sound comes out of it, lags on performance etc... And of course there is no way of downgrading...

After more than 20 years buying apple products, is the first time I do feel extremely unhappy about having "no options"...

Does 8.1.1 Crash, or do Apps crash. Crashes are only reported widely in a few select NEW phones using IOS 8, not in the old phones. Old phones (4S especially) are simply slowish, there are no widespread reported crashes.

Old apps that have not updated though could crash until new versions come along. Maybe that's what your seeing?

BTW, when 8 got released, you could actually revert to 7 for a whole week? Why do you keep it on if it was "crashing"?
 
Killin' it with a 3GS on 4.1.3! :D
I had kept a riPad Mini on iOS 7 for about 2 1/2 weeks after the release of iOS 8.
And then I updated.
And then I used about 2 of the features that came with it: Continuity and Spotlight.
And now I wish I was on iOS 7.
:mad:
:(
Oh, :apple:.

iOS 8 has just given me lag and app crashes. After an OTA update, it was almost unusable. So I restored and set it up as new. Most of the latency went away, but the crashes remained. I don't see very much of the improvements on an iPad. On an iPhone, i see features like Continuity as useful, but do I honestly want to take calls from an iPad Mini, when an iPhone is nearby?
 
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If downgrading were possible, say back to iOS 7.x or even 6.x then that percentage would fall considerably!

The statistics aren't a true reflection of what consumers want, considering so many people would be more than happy to downgrade.

My iPad 2 is staying on iOS 5.x.
Going to get an iPad Mini 2 as soon as I can get one. Happy to have iOS 8 on that device, but my older devices are staying clear. Once bitten forever shy.

I know 2 people with an Ipad 2 and IOS 8 (and I've used those tablets quite a bit since they stay at my place when they're in town) and you're way way overstating the problems IOS 8 has on these devices.

IOS 8 and IOS 7 are very similar from a UI perspective so I'm not sure why people would want to go back to 7 considering the issues for most people are ZERO. For the few whiners here the issues are obviously astronomical... Different point of view I suppose.
 
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