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i've had a very weird glitch in iOS 8.1 on an ipad 2. The sounds were all screwed up. I thought the speakers were damaged. After going through some lock schenanigans on this laggy iPad I managed to shut it down and restart. After this it solved it. Weird :confused:

iOS 8 is the worst thing to happen to iPad 2.

Agree with this 100%. Still lagging. Typing not responsive some times. Give me 7.1.2 any time over 8x on an iPad 2
 
after installing IOS8 the phone I was planning to hand over to my mom when I upgraded to Iphone6 is now the equivalent of "slapping her across the face and telling her I hated being her son"... In short words: it chrashes often, no sound comes out of it, lags on performance etc... And of course there is no way of downgrading...

After more than 20 years buying apple products, is the first time I do feel extremely unhappy about having "no options"...

Just out of interest, what phone was this?
 
I'm pretty sure Apple knows the EXACT number of devices that are hitting the App Store every second of every day... and what version of iOS they are running. Apple could easily tell us that.

But does a developer really need to know the exact number?

What if you knew that 300 million iOS devices were running iOS 8... would that make you more likely or less likely to start developing for iOS 8?

They don’t tell us those numbers for a reason. It casts the latest OS in a more favourable light if you present the right figures in the right way, they have the exact numbers I’m sure of that.
Having more info is better for people, (definitely me), in most cases, they can make a more informed decision.
As a customer I might look more favourably on those that seem to support my purchase for longer. I understand that as a business Apple or the 3rd party devs that work on their platform might not see it quite that way.
 
If that's your one beef with swift you don't know much about coding.

People who claim that everyone should update to the latest thing now f all about being a developer.

If any of those on here who claim to be "Developers" had any formal training they would know you develop for 2 generations old.
 
People who claim that everyone should update to the latest thing now f all about being a developer.

If any of those on here who claim to be "Developers" had any formal training they would know you develop for 2 generations old.

I suffer from Upgraditis quite badly but agree here. I upgrade at the earliest possible opportunity with almost everything.

That said I can certainly see the multitude of values in an older product/OS.
 
People who claim that everyone should update to the latest thing now f all about being a developer.

If any of those on here who claim to be "Developers" had any formal training they would know you develop for 2 generations old.

Speaking as a professional developer, your statement is relevant to the market you are addressing. First, you survey the install base of the product you are developing. If it is a state-of-the-art product where older OS versions cannot facilitate your innovative product, then you use the latest out there on the cutting edge.

If you are going for a wide install base -- yes! -- look at whatever install base model has an 80% market share. Any greater percentage and you are fighting diminishing returns selling to resource restricted markets left for high volume commodity distributors.

Then there is the quality of talent to hire. You have an on-the-edge product, hire the best in the business. If you are looking at version 5+ of a product porting to the latest OS versions, hire the cheapest maintence developer you can outsource.
 
If that's your one beef with swift you don't know much about coding.

Swift is less than a year old and it has a long way to go. A new programming language is successfully adopted once per professional generation.

IMO, Swift is a very interesting trade off between scripting languages and compiled languages yet to shake out. Those who developed this language have a very hard reality check on existing programming practices coming to them. In a way, it is the C# on the Cupertino side.

No other company has adopted Swift nor have I see an Swift compiler on a non-Apple platform. When more than one compiler house supports Swift, then this language will mature to something worth professional adoption.
 
No one in the real world was "scared away" because of some MacRumors articles. The issue of slow upgrades is due to storage space requirements. Apple needs to fix this by iOS 9.

My mother didn't upgrade her phone to iOS 8, and still hasn't.

She's not tech savy, she doesn't read internet articles, and she's too busy with a hectic life to even see the news.

What stopped her??? She plugged in her iPhone to iTunes on Windows, and it gave her a message saying she didn't have enough space to install iOS 8.x.

She told me about it, and I asked her if she had attempted to do it through just the phone, or if she had actually plugged it into the computer and done it through iTunes.

She said she plugged it in, and tried with iTunes.

I told her, that it shouldn't be a problem then. You only run out of space to upgrade if you do it without the computer. She told me that iTunes told her she didn't have enough space.

So, I asked my brother who was right there with her, and he told me he watched her do it, and that it did in fact give her that error.

So, while I haven't had that issue doing it with a Mac and iTunes, she did experience that issue.

That is why she's not on iOS 8.x... so, whether it's an iTunes glitch, a size issue, or whatever, the end result, is that it is not likely that the majority have obtained because of stories. Many people go through their lives blind to what other iPhone users say, and still don't upgrade.

In fact, it was me who got her to upgrade to 7.x in the first place, because she hadn't even heard about it until about a month or so before iOS 8.0 was released.
 
They don’t tell us those numbers for a reason. It casts the latest OS in a more favourable light if you present the right figures in the right way, they have the exact numbers I’m sure of that.
Having more info is better for people, (definitely me), in most cases, they can make a more informed decision.
As a customer I might look more favourably on those that seem to support my purchase for longer. I understand that as a business Apple or the 3rd party devs that work on their platform might not see it quite that way.

But again... why do you need to know the absolute number?

As it stand right now... we know that 96% of the devices that visit the App Store are running iOS 7 and iOS 8. It's safe to assume that it must be HUGE number of devices just from knowing how many devices Apple sells. (and Apple actually gives sales numbers every quarter :))

So why do you need to hear it from Apple?
 
But again... why do you need to know the absolute number?

As it stand right now... we know that 96% of the devices that visit the App Store are running iOS 7 and iOS 8. It's safe to assume that it must be HUGE number of devices just from knowing how many devices Apple sells. (and Apple actually gives sales numbers every quarter :))

So why do you need to hear it from Apple?

Personally, I don't care how many devices are in question... But, just a quick point... If they are going by App Store visits, then that is a very limited percentage. I haven't been in the App Store more than once in the last few months. Prior to that, even longer.

I go in there if I need something. If I have what I want, and it's working, I have no reason to browse. Most people I know are this way.

However, given the recent article that showed Apple sending e-mails to users who hadn't upgraded to iOS 8.x yet, it's likely that Apple tracks their numbers through other methods.
 
No one in the real world was "scared away" because of some MacRumors articles. The issue of slow upgrades is due to storage space requirements. Apple needs to fix this by iOS 9.
This, the people I know who have not upgraded it's all to do with available space. I always upgrade via iTunes but I seem to be in the minority as most use OTA. As for "fixing it" I don;t see how Apple can, you must download the iOS update before the install and that needs space.

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Personally, I don't care how many devices are in question... But, just a quick point... If they are going by App Store visits, then that is a very limited percentage. I haven't been in the App Store more than once in the last few months. Prior to that, even longer.

I go in there if I need something. If I have what I want, and it's working, I have no reason to browse. Most people I know are this way.

However, given the recent article that showed Apple sending e-mails to users who hadn't upgraded to iOS 8.x yet, it's likely that Apple tracks their numbers through other methods.
I assume they can count devices doing app updates in the background
 
If they are going by App Store visits, then that is a very limited percentage. I haven't been in the App Store more than once in the last few months. Prior to that, even longer.

I go in there if I need something. If I have what I want, and it's working, I have no reason to browse. Most people I know are this way.

Good point.

But like I said before... this chart is for developers to show who IS visiting the App Store.

If you're not visiting the App Store... you're not being counted. That's understandable.

I think developers would be more interested in who IS visiting the App Store rather than who ISN'T... right?
 
Good point.

But like I said before... this chart is for developers to show who IS visiting the App Store.

If you're not visiting the App Store... you're not being counted. That's understandable.

I think developers would be more interested in who IS visiting the App Store rather than who ISN'T... right?

Most likely... The only issue would be flawed numbers referencing installed user base / potential market. But, yes, the App store numbers would reflect current / recent averages for visitors to the App store.

But, for a marketing number, it does sound great to potentially not mention how many users are not remotely interested in the latest iOS versions (or even recent versions). There are potentially a lot more phones out there not running iOS 7 or 8 than are counted in that 5% figure.

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To get from 56% to nearly 60% involves some fairly generous rounding!

Why not, they generously rounded from hundreds (or possibly thousands) down to 9.... (referencing bending issues of the iPhone 6)
 
I can't complain about IOS 8.1, as both my devices are working well. Few bugs, etc but overall great. Many people I know with older devices are staying on IOS 7.1.2, and I'm even telling most others the same. Stay on 7. Why update, for a slow/laggy device? I think the IOS camp is gonna be divided for a while.
 
Agree with this 100%. Still lagging. Typing not responsive some times. Give me 7.1.2 any time over 8x on an iPad 2

Personally I find performance acceptable on the iPhone 4s I use for testing, but I feel sorry for anyone who is using iOS 8 on an iPad 2 as their daily driver. The experience on the iPad 2 is appalling. Apparently the next update will improve performance on iPad 2 and the iPhone 4s.
 
iOS 8 has made my iPad 2 extremely slow and Safari crashes a lot now. If I could get iOS 7 back on my iPad 2 I would get in a heartbeat.
 
I might just be being stupid or something, or not totally understand the "statistic" world .... but 56+40+5=101 ...... I thought it should only add up to 100%?! :rolleyes:
 
I guess I am one of the 5%. I'm on 6.1.4 on iPhone 5 with iTunes 10.7
Fast, reliable, can use iTunes 10.7, better battery life, immediate syncing, better music app, better media organization. No downside. :)
Hoping to get the most out of iTunes 10.7 as long as I can. Apple has just gutted iTunes and unfortunately iOS as well since then.

Same here, part of the 5% crew and rockin' a fast and rock solid 6.1.2 (JB with lots of goodies) on my iPhone 5, has everything I need :cool:
 
No one in my extended family has moved to iOS8 due to them not having a computer, and out of space. They ask me what to do with their photos. What can I say? Delete them.



Obviously, they will not.


Or they can back them up to Dropbox, Google drive, or box and then delete. All of these offer free storage. But some people are pack rats even with their smartphones.
 
My mother didn't upgrade her phone to iOS 8, and still hasn't.

She's not tech savy, she doesn't read internet articles, and she's too busy with a hectic life to even see the news.

What stopped her??? She plugged in her iPhone to iTunes on Windows, and it gave her a message saying she didn't have enough space to install iOS 8.x.

She told me about it, and I asked her if she had attempted to do it through just the phone, or if she had actually plugged it into the computer and done it through iTunes.

She said she plugged it in, and tried with iTunes.

I told her, that it shouldn't be a problem then. You only run out of space to upgrade if you do it without the computer. She told me that iTunes told her she didn't have enough space.

So, I asked my brother who was right there with her, and he told me he watched her do it, and that it did in fact give her that error.

So, while I haven't had that issue doing it with a Mac and iTunes, she did experience that issue.

That is why she's not on iOS 8.x... so, whether it's an iTunes glitch, a size issue, or whatever, the end result, is that it is not likely that the majority have obtained because of stories. Many people go through their lives blind to what other iPhone users say, and still don't upgrade.

In fact, it was me who got her to upgrade to 7.x in the first place, because she hadn't even heard about it until about a month or so before iOS 8.0 was released.
It's not an iTunes glitch ... she doesn't have enough free space. She'll need to backup everything via iTunes ... do a clean restore, which will wipe the phone and allow iOS 8 to be installed ... then restore from the backup you made prior to upgrading to iOS 8.



No one in my extended family has moved to iOS8 due to them not having a computer, and out of space. They ask me what to do with their photos. What can I say? Delete them.

Obviously, they will not.
That's some pretty awful advice. They can back them up via iPhoto or if they're on Windows they can back them up to Picasa. Or they can back them up to Dropbox or many of the other free services for backing up files online. Or they can back up with iTunes. This is a list of things that iTunes backs up:

• Photos (photos, screenshots, images saved, and videos taken) and Saved Photos (in devices without a camera).
• Contacts* and Contact Favorites. (You should regularly sync your contacts to a computer or cloud service, such as iCloud.)
• Health (only if you have an encrypted backup).
• Calendar accounts, events, and subscribed calendars.
• Safari bookmarks, cookies, history, offline data, and currently open pages.
• Autofill for webpages.
• Offline web app cache/database.
• Notes.
• Mail accounts. (Mail messages aren't backed up.)
• Microsoft Exchange account configurations.
• Call history.
• Messages (iMessage and carrier SMS or MMS pictures and videos).
• Voicemail token. (This isn't the voicemail password, but it is used for validation when connecting. This is only restored to a phone with the same phone number on the SIM card.)
• Voice memos.
• Network settings (saved Wi-Fi hotspots, VPN settings, and network preferences).
• Keychain. (Includes email account passwords, Wi-Fi passwords, and passwords you enter into websites and some apps.)
• If you encrypt the backup, you can transfer the keychain information to a new device. With an unencrypted backup, you can restore the keychain only to the same iOS device. If you're restoring to a new device with an unencrypted backup, you'll need to enter these passwords again.
• App Store app data. (Minus the app itself, its tmp, and Caches folder.)
• App settings, preferences, and data, including documents. (PDFs downloaded directly to iBooks on an iOS device are not included in the backup. To back these up, go to File > Transfer Purchases.)
• In-app purchases.
• Game Center account.
• Wallpapers.
• Location service preferences for apps and websites you've allowed to use your location.
• Home screen arrangement.
• Installed profiles.
• When you restore a backup to a different device, installed configuration profiles,*such as accounts, restrictions, or anything that can be specified through an installed profile, aren't restored. Any accounts or settings that aren't associated with an installed profile will be restored.
• Map bookmarks, recent searches, and the current location displayed in Maps.
• Nike + iPod saved workouts and settings.
• Paired Bluetooth devices (which you can only use if restored to the same phone that did the backup).
• Keyboard shortcuts and saved suggestion corrections.
• Trusted hosts that have certificates that can't be verified.
• Web clips.
*Your contacts are part of the backup to preserve recent calls and favorites lists. To avoid any potential contact data loss, back up your contacts to a supported personal information manager (PIM) or another cloud-based service (such as Gmail or Microsoft Exchange). You can also make a copy of contacts that are in iCloud. Learn about backups in iCloud.*

http://support.apple.com/en-us/HT4946
 
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